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I have been thinking about getting a fifth wheel camper in the near future. Reading through a few of the posts here in the towing forum, and I have seen some various feedback about RV mfrs. that may be "lacking in quality".



I would appreciate any insight, comments or opinions on the manufactures to stay away from.



I was also wondering what the largest/heaviest trailer I could saftly tow with the truck in my sig.



Thanks in advance.
 
Andrew:



You probably won't get much useful information here in the replies you will receive. Most will tell you what they bought and how great it is. Few are likely to tell you they bought a cheap or overpriced piece of crap and regret it.



The same common sense rules that apply to other products apply to travel trailers as well. Using a car example a Hyundai or Kia can provide cheap basic transportation but few will argue that these imports compare favorably with a Honda, Toyota, or Mercedes. Resale or trade-in value should also be factored into your deliberation. It affects your cost of ownership as much as initial price.



First, how will you use the trailer? It matters whether you expect a four seasons trailer that can be used in cold weather or just summer camping. How many miles will you tow it annually and how long do you plan to keep it? What kind of roads will you pull it over? Who will use it? An older couple will be easier on it than a young family.



If willing to pay for quality consider the older brand names. If the company is old and still in business it has probably been building good products at reasonable prices. The more expensive ones are probably better . . . quality materials and methods cost money.



Look beyond glitz and glitter. Examine the cabinet and wood trim materials and construction methods. Consider and compare fabrics and materials used. Examine density of foam rubber used in dinette seats and mattress quality. Look under and behind cabinets at plumbing and wiring. Examine a few older used models on dealer lots. The older units that have been traded in will give you a clue how they have held up to towing and use. What is the framing used? Aluminum or wood stick? How thick are the walls and how insulated? Some cheaper units have thin walls and little more than air between the walls.



All RVs use industry standard appliances. Refrigerators, ranges, air conditioners, furnaces, water pumps, converters, etc are made by a handful of manufacturers and are generally the same in all brands. Top of the line units can have fancier refrigerators with more features but all are made by Dometic or Norcold.



More expensive fifth wheels will typically have stronger ie higher-rated axles and springs and use 16" wheels and tires. I've seen lots of nearly new fifth wheels with axles bent so that the wheels cant inward at the top because the axles/springs were underrated for their full load capacity. 15" wheels and tires are marginal for all but the lightest trailers. Read the tire threads to confirm this. A friend of mine bought a brand X fifth wheel several years ago. It had 16" tires but mounted on six lug wheels. Within two years he broke a spring pulling on the interstate highway. When I looked under it I found a pair of 6,000# axles, just enough to carry the rated weight. He bought and installed a pair of 7,000# axles with eight lug wheels and new larger tires.



Decide what your RV budget will allow then consider what fits your budget. Your choices might be limited to lower priced new or higher quality used units. Some will only buy new, some, like me, will buy higher quality used units for a similar amount of money. It is a personal choice. The old adage appliees: You generally get what you pay for.



Harvey
 
I agree with most of what Harvey said. It depends on what you want it for. In trailers you usually get what you pay for. Get some RV buyer's guides and learn what the brand names are. Stay away from those with names you don't see in the buyer's guide. Subscribe to Trailer Life Magazine. If you only want it for vacation and weekend camping, many trailers will give you good service. In our case we live in our fifth wheel 4 months every winter so we tend toward the higher end models suitable for full time living. As far as how big a fifth wheel you can haul with your truck, the main limitation will be the pin weight since you have a SRW truck. Some 5th wheels that could be easily towed by your truck may have 3K on the hitch and that's putting a lot of stress on your rear tires. Most trailer brochures and literature give the GVW and hitch weight. Keep the pin weight under 2400 pounds or so and don't have a big box of tools in the bed and you'll probably be OK. Weigh your truck and get the rear axle weight when the truck is ready to tow, subtract that from your allowable axle weight as listed on your door and that will give you the maximum hitch weight. Try to stay below that for a safety factor.
 
My only advice, Ask a pro!



check out http://www.nadaguides.com and see what that new camper your looking at is worth 1 year old. I feel the people who price campers in this guide know what there worth and price them accordingly.



Well for the most part. In 2000 we were looking at 5th wheels. A Thor product we were looking at looked real nice, but lost over 1/3 of its value in the first year! The Terry we bought held its value well. I wasn't very happy with the Terry after a couple years either.



This time we bought a Titanium Very happy with it, but its only 4 months old. I am on a titanium email list and have not heard of many problems.
 
Kounrty Star/ Newmar

I have a Newmar Kounrty Star and it is very nice. Good quality and options. There are other nice coaches as well, Cardinal, Montana, Holiday Rambler. As said before you get what you pay for. Some companies will do some minimum custom option changes for you but you have to ask for them by this I mean above and beyond the standard option list.
 
We ordered a Wilderness in July of 2003, when the dealer finally ordered it we got it in October. Had numerous small problems with it. Dealer handled it poorly. We then upgraded to a Carriage Carri-lite, and are much happier. The most important thing you can do is find a dealer that you like, not a salesman, but the service department, as they will be helping you keep your rig in good condition. We would never buy another Fleetwood product, but that is mostly because of the dealer. Hope this helps.



Kris
 
Remember that in 3 years if bought new, it will be worth half of what you paid for it. I would rather have a 5 year old quality coach than have a brand new "Rat Box" for the same money!



There is no substitute for quality! Oo.
 
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