Competition Ball Bearing Turbos

[NDietel]

Has anyone had any luck using a ball bearing turbo in high performance applications? You could blow on a ball bearing turbo and it starts to move, would this mean that it would spool up a lot quicker? Both Turbonetics and Garret have ball bearing turbos. In the porsche magazine called "execelence", Garret advertises a double ball bearing turbo. Sounds interesting!

 

[Nyoest]

I don't have any experinece with them on a truck but we put a small Garret Ball Bearing on my Buddy's Hayabusa. It's now a street bike capable of 425 horse . The only problem we've had with it in the last two seasons is it doesn't have oil seals so it is finicky and will wet the charge pipes with oil if your not careful.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I've only seen one on a Dodge and really didn't care for it, it took way to much stall in the converter to get it to spool.



There have been so many changes made to turbo in recent years that to pay the extra money is useless. I spool what I call a decent size set of Twins on the street, the Turbo's work fine as well as the motor. Allot of it has to do with the Chargers and with the Cam design... ... ... both parties did well here! Industrial Injection with the Turbo and Piers with the Cam.





Jim

 

[pwerwagn]

Diesel Dynamics Has a turbo called the Jammer Ball Bearing. Its a T58 compressor. They've had some issues with parts failing, but from what I hear, the problem has been found and hopefully resolved.



Other than that, I dont know of anyone using BB turbos on a cummins... .

FWIW,

--Jeff

 

[Tcolesanti]

Scheid is offering one now.

 

[TopFuel6]

Jim, what turbos are you running, just bought a new engine with some goodies in er,PM me if you don't want , thanks



-- email address removed -- Tim

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I have the DD/Edge BB turbo on my 2004 and it is excellent. It is more resistant to problems from "warm" shutdowns, dirty oil, etc. Spool up is good, in part from the ball bearings. It is designed to give enough boost without so much boost that hoses blow off all the time. The problem with early production units came from Turbonetics using a wrong part, not the one that proved indestructible in testing of prototype units. Once they went back to the correct parts, it has been solid. It has a 1 year warranty, amazing in a high po application. It is also proprietary to Diesel Dynamics/Edge and you would hardly believe how much testing Lawrence of DD did in developing it. It is nowhere like an off-the-shelf thing that Turbonetics might have dreamed up. Turbonetics is well experienced in gasser applications, but was not anywhere near ready for diesels when Lawrence started working with them on this turbo.

 

[Reb.B]

Joe, wouldn't the ball bearring turbo have less life expectancy than a normal brass bushing when the oil gets dirty. I thougt that was its major down fall. I have driven the edge/DD ball bearring turbo and it spools real nice.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Of course it spools nice, it does not have a wastgate to slow it down. Shoot, disconnect the wastgare on a HX40 on a Solid 400HP truck... wicked spool (however the lower boost threshold will not change)



The biggest benefit of a journal bearing is embedability. They are much better at handling impurities in the oil that a Ball Bearing. Ball Bearings are a full contact bearing, where Journal Bearings have no contact with the shaft when running.



The new stuff that Garrett is comming out with is not only smaller, and lighter, but will walk past ant of the old Garrett "T" series stuff.

 

[Powerstroke racer]

We have had a GT42R 94mm on an 02 24v for while now with good results. I have been using them on Power Strokes for 3 years now with excellent results. The GTP38r's are good to 475rwhp and hold up well. Spool up is instant with drivabilty similar to a supercharged engine. On the race truck we have had the same GT42R 102mm for a couple of years now without failure. The turbo makes 75psi and has powered Snow white up to 117mph at 5640lbs on #2 only.

Here are is a clip where you can see how quick one can spool.



http://www.dieselinnovations.com/gallery2/d/6699-2/swplaying.mpg

 

[Diesel Freak]

Man I just love the GT42R!!!!!



except for the price tag!!

 

[RCenters]

David witch A/r are u running 1. 15 ? or a custom size ?

 

[Powerstroke racer]

David witch A/r are u running 1. 15 ? or a custom size ?

I am running a 1. 15 right now but fixing to try a 1. 44, Hopefully we will see an increase in power. If that don't work then I am trying a GT45R which is a custom unit with a 108mm compressor good for a 1/3 more air than the 42.

 

[Powerstroke racer]

On a side note, here are a few BB turbos Garrett will soon be releasing. I understand yall are probably looking for something bigger, but here is some info anyhow.



stage I GT3782R: Featuring an 82mm compressor wheel that is capable of an increase of 170+hp over stock.



stage II GT3782R: Featuring a higher flowing 82mm compressor wheel that can produce an increase of 270+hp over stock.



stage III GT3788R: Features a super-high flowing 88mm compressor wheel that can produce an additional 370+hp over stock.



Each turbo comes as a kit and includes:



*Oil inlet fitting kit w/restrictor

*Water line kit

*Turbine inlet Bolts

*Gasket kit

*Turbine outlet adapter kit



We also have the MAPs for each one. This is all the info we have right now on them, pricing should be released soon.

 

[RCenters]

how bout a gt47 ? freind of mine uses 2 of them in a mustang he races there from Precision



whats the a/r of the 94 yr shop guy uses in his 24v ?

 

[Diesel Freak]

Could you either post in this thread or e-mail me the Stage II and Stage III GT37R compressor Maps?



-- email address removed --

 

[JerrodGlover]

David, IIRC Ford 6. 0l and Duramax LLY motors come with a GT37 from the factory. Are these new turbos built on the same frame as the stock ones? Do the upgrade turbos retain the VGN technology?

On a side note, here are a few BB turbos Garrett will soon be releasing. I understand yall are probably looking for something bigger, but here is some info anyhow.



stage I GT3782R: Featuring an 82mm compressor wheel that is capable of an increase of 170+hp over stock.



stage II GT3782R: Featuring a higher flowing 82mm compressor wheel that can produce an increase of 270+hp over stock.



stage III GT3788R: Features a super-high flowing 88mm compressor wheel that can produce an additional 370+hp over stock.



Each turbo comes as a kit and includes:



*Oil inlet fitting kit w/restrictor

*Water line kit

*Turbine inlet Bolts

*Gasket kit

*Turbine outlet adapter kit



We also have the MAPs for each one. This is all the info we have right now on them, pricing should be released soon.