Banks Brake

[mfrost]

I am looking at getting the Banks Brake that is designed for the 04. 5 -07. They say it works great but I am sure all of them do. Does anyone have this on there 04. 5 with a stock 48RE?

 

[CKelley1]

the banks brake is old technology. get a good brake the bd and pac are the best. i like the bd over the pac because of where the compressor mounts.

 

[mfrost]

the banks brake is old technology. get a good brake the bd and pac are the best. i like the bd over the pac because of where the compressor mounts.

I Banks is old technology does anyone have a BD or Pac on a 04. 5 with stock 48re and have you had any problems?

 

[seafish]

the banks brake is old technology. get a good brake the bd and pac are the best. i like the bd over the pac because of where the compressor mounts.

You know, I am no fan of Banks products, but their exhaust brake looks to be a very well made unit... IIRC, The TDR write-up on it was quite good. I am wondering what you mean by "old technology"??



Also, can't any compressor be mounted wherever you want , as long as it fits size-wise?? Does BD provide a special bracket that mounts somewhere special??



NOT trying to be difficult, just would like more specifics... . TIA

 

[TCDiesel]

The PRXB with Banks electronics and hardware cannot be beat, No one has the cylinder 03/04. 5 and software to run the Autos Better then Banks,The combination is unbeatable.

 

[seafish]

The PRXB with Banks electronics and hardware cannot be beat, No one has the cylinder 03/04. 5 and software to run the Autos Better then Banks,The combination is unbeatable.

What about on a 2005 with the G56??

 

[CKelley1]

bd mounts the compressor in the passenger side fender. we run a fleet of trucks the pac compressors mount on the engine and the heat and vibration cause early failures, it took us a while to figure this out. we remounted the compressors to another location and cured the problem. the banks like the jake uses a orfice. and does not hold 60psi like the bd or pac and the vacuum pump is high failure rate like the jake

 

[Rockranch]

Stay away from Banks! I have the exhaust brake and some other parts. Some work ok, but others don't. Banks is no help. Won't take a return and can't get them to work properly. #@$%!

 

[TCDiesel]

What about on a 2005 with the G56??

We have our own wiring (Pedal Switch) for 05 the pedal switch Pac has is PITA install, We use their On/off shift Switch. We wire around ALL ECMs. (I don"t need that bill if the Brake shorts out or grounds)

 

[seafish]

Thanks for the update guys...



Totally understand about the importance of compressor mounting location, as well as the differnces beteween compressor and vacuum actutated brakes... and obviously, I prefer the addtional utility of an added compressor...



BUT I have heard and read plenty of stories of problems with the PacBrake, like compressor failures, brakes stuicking open or closed, (though i must add also plenty of excellent feedback) and I actaully prefer to stay away from BD products in general...



So now my question is this, if this is not false advertising, how can Banks claim this,, even while using "old technology"



It looks as if Banks makes a better flowing when open and better braking when closed exhaust brake... how can that be... are they simply playing the numbers???

 

[AH64ID]

I run the Jacobs, which appears to be the same brake that Banks runs. I really like the "old" technology. And the only difference in the BD, PXRB and the Banks/Jacobs is the idle-2500 rpm braking, above 2500 rpms they are all the same, 60psi backpressure is the OEM limit, you can't get more braking without exceeding that. .

Which brings me to the retarding hp graph. . Banks can't make more retarding hp than stock as stock runs the max back pressure allowed by Cummins.

On the pre 06 auto's the Banks controller is great and would be my 1st choice if I were in that boat. . But on 06+ or manuals I think the OE ECM programming is the best, its programmed that way for a reason. . I 100% disagree with the programming that makes the brakes come on sooner, the 3 second delay is to save the turbo, sounds smart to me. At least where I live its not uncommon to go from 90% throttle, 1200* EGT's and 30+ psi of boost to running the exhaust brake in less than 1/8 mile, hence the reason I like the delay.

 

[TCDiesel]

Thanks for the update guys...



Totally understand about the importance of compressor mounting location, as well as the differnces beteween compressor and vacuum actutated brakes... and obviously, I prefer the addtional utility of an added compressor...



BUT I have heard and read plenty of stories of problems with the PacBrake, like compressor failures, brakes stuicking open or closed, (though i must add also plenty of excellent feedback) and I actaully prefer to stay away from BD products in general...



So now my question is this, if this is not false advertising, how can Banks claim this,, even while using "old technology"



It looks as if Banks makes a better flowing when open and better braking when closed exhaust brake... how can that be... are they simply playing the numbers???

Yep... Banks electronic unlock TC downshift and lockup again, In most applications down to 2nd Gear,and they control the line pressure or TV per Year. similar to the turbo brake on 07+. Banks electronics W/Pac Brake is My preferred EB, but its more $$$.

 

[mfrost]

Thanks for all the information. My question now is can I run any of these EB configuations with a stock 48RE and expept it to last? I know, I should have gotten a manual transmission. #@$%!

 

[seafish]

I run the Jacobs, which appears to be the same brake that Banks runs. I really like the "old" technology. And the only difference in the BD, PXRB and the Banks/Jacobs is the idle-2500 rpm braking, above 2500 rpms they are all the same, 60psi backpressure is the OEM limit, you can't get more braking without exceeding that. .



Which brings me to the retarding hp graph. . Banks can't make more retarding hp than stock as stock runs the max back pressure allowed by Cummins.



On the pre 06 auto's the Banks controller is great and would be my 1st choice if I were in that boat. . But on 06+ or manuals I think the OE ECM programming is the best, its programmed that way for a reason. . I 100% disagree with the programming that makes the brakes come on sooner, the 3 second delay is to save the turbo, sounds smart to me. At least where I live its not uncommon to go from 90% throttle, 1200* EGT's and 30+ psi of boost to running the exhaust brake in less than 1/8 mile, hence the reason I like the delay.

Also, IIRC, there have been a small number turbo failures with the PXRB on manual transmissions that might be related to NOT having the delay.



AH64ID, I am very curious... the actual Banks elbow is HUGE (have you seen the picture in TDR??) Is it really the same as the oem Jacobs ??

 

[Missouri Mule]

You mite have to put a "lock-up switch (torque convertor). I don't think the computer/48re was compatible for eb until 05 or 06.

 

[TCDiesel]

Factory 05 or earlier cannot lockup through factory programing, 06 is capable of factory lockup,but has no TV control for EB,Your Choice is additional software/device or C/VB. The aftermarket has destroyed many transmissions for lack of concern for 06+ TV.

 

[AH64ID]

AH64ID, I am very curious... the actual Banks elbow is HUGE (have you seen the picture in TDR??) Is it really the same as the oem Jacobs ??

The Jacobs elbow is quite large as well. . Despite what Banks says, I cannot see a physical difference in the two.

 

[seafish]

The Jacobs elbow is quite large as well. . Despite what Banks says, I cannot see a physical difference in the two.

AH64ID, thanks for all of the info!!

 

[mfrost]

The PRXB with Banks electronics and hardware cannot be beat, No one has the cylinder 03/04. 5 and software to run the Autos Better then Banks,The combination is unbeatable.

Why do you say this? Why wouldn't it be better to get the whole system fron the same mfg? Is it because of pressure vs. vacuum or the housing and valve??

 

[TCDiesel]

Pac's electronics are NOT equal to Banks,Banks Brake is are Not equal to Pac's brake. Pac does not make the device to engage the TV cable on 03/04. 5, or do they have the electronics to control the TV motor on 05/07. W/O this You increase premature failure of AT component's and less stopping resistance.