Bank's High Ram Intake

[DPKetchum]

Me thinks its looks GREAT. I NOW will also buy one to use in conjuction with ANY box I end up using. One NOTE he did mention about the SIX GUN BOX was it was MORE trouble to remove before taking in FOR WARRANTY repairs BUT it LEFT NO FOOT PRINT it was ever on the truck. He said ALL the others leave a BLANK spot or GAP that could be spotted by D. C. program reader. He said the SIX GUN does NOT leave ANY trace it was ever on. Also it has NOT had a problem throwing CODES of any sort.

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

Ok. sorry to take so long to post back. Talked to the Banks salesman I've dealt with before at BANKS. The HIGH RAM is not design to be a STAND ALONE improvement. It increases air flow! On the 2000 to 2002 Cummin the ONLY difference between the Stinger Plus Kit and the Power Pack is the High Ram. The singer Plus is a 109 h. p. and 259 foot lbs of torque increase over stock and the Power Pack is 145 h. p. and 288 foot lbs torque increase. Its design is to allow MORE fueling with out a EGT increase. He said it will allow more fuel whether it be a box or injector size etc. to be used and keep EGT's in a safe range. He did NOT have handy the spec on the 03 etc. but said the HIGH RAM for the newer trucks is somewhat improved over the one used in the 1998 to 2002 models. It sells for $309. 00 from BANKS direct. He also said it makes the SIX GUN or any other box or fuel modon make MORE h. p. without a unsafe EGT factor. But on stock engins etc. don't expect to see any improvement. MORE FUEL,MORE AIR,MORE POWER and safer EGT's.

DPK, so he told you that swapping from a stock one to the High Ram adds 36hp/29ft-lbs to the wheels on trucks with 100hp more than stock? How is an (allegedly) airflow enhancing part going to add HP?



Look, I'm not going to knock the thing, but the logic sure dictates that it won't do that. I can tell you that we did test a 02 style air horn vs. the 03 style (with the necked down center) on a truck with 500rwhp, and it made ZERO difference in HP or EGT.

 

[DPKetchum]

He SAID the only difference between the STINGER PLUS and the POWER PACK on 1998 through 2002 is the HIGH RAM. The STINGER PLUS kit added 109 h. p. and 259 foot lbs of torque to stock and the POWER PACK(high ram included)added 145 h. p. and 288 foot lbs from stock. Its MAIN function was to keep EGT's in check with the benefit of adding MORE fuel to make more H. P. If in doubt call THEM and talk to their TECH assistance personal. I'm sure or would assume they have some decent engineers working for them. He did say Banks is one to NOT rush products to market without FACTS and WHYS and HOW they work. Call them and discuss it. Its a TOLL free number. :-{}I even mentioned the DOUBT that was mentioned on this site. He said he gets that often and chuckled. They(BANKS) keep up with ALL of these sites(Dodge/Ford/G. M. and was very aware of problems,claims ,warranty issues etc. He also said their own install techs. stay VERY busy installing BANKS products on MANY different vehicles with LOTS of repeat customers.

 

[KLockliear]

DPK, I'm not looking for an argument here... simply discussing the facts presented. Now, if we are talking about the 98. 5-02 trucks again, then I again refer to the links I posted earlier which clearly shows where the addition of a High Ram takes away horsepower.



Above, you said that they state the ONLY difference betwen the Stinger Plus and Power Pack is the High Ram, and that there is a 36hp/30ft-lbs difference between the two. Can we infer that it MUST come from the only difference in the two kits - the High Ram? If so, then their claims are certainly false.

 

[XcumminsX]

didnt banks get busted for false claims like this?

 

[2broke2smoke]

hmmm ... let's see we can agree with member on here with dyno proof that it looses power



or we can agree with a banks salesman ...



i lost all faith in banks when a salesman told me their products don't void the factory warranty



but hey if you put all your faith in a saleman then i'll make you a really good deal on a bridge

 

[krabman]

Gale Banks once posted on this site personally in rebuttal to the smackdown his products were taking in the forums. While his response was thoughtful and insightful in regards to the Banks product line it failed to address the chief complaint most have... You can get more power for less money.

 

[DPKetchum]

Well I worked in a D. C. dealer in service for several years. At one time the Banks stuff DID not void warranty. But it left D. C. open to many OTHER products that did for obvious reasons. . So ended that relationship. I do KNOW for a FACT that at that time there was LOTS of joint testing with Banks and D. C. I do not know if that continues or not. As a repair facilty it was advantageous to sell a BANKS product over many others. The customer got a kit that installed quckly,had a warranty on ALL parts in the kit and a major company to stand behind said parts/kit. The dealer owner DID ask me to look into others and about putting the same parts(fuel plate/exhaust/gauges/turbo housings etc. )together from other vendors and cost. It was a MINOR savings with no REAL support if there was a problem and the quality of some items were in question. Enough said on the Banks subject. I still think if in doubt why don't one of you performance gurus CALL them and ASK?Its a TOLL FREE number.

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

I still think if in doubt why don't one of you performance gurus CALL them and ASK?Its a TOLL FREE number.

We already know the answer and the truth.

 

[catoiler]

Let me think back to who used to make the fuel plates for Mr Banks. O'ya the name TST comes to mind.

 

[DPKetchum]

Yea right! Its called tunnel vision. Not taking up for Banks but if you won't call or discuss with someone a lot smarter then me and obviously you whats the point. I like the guy that designed and sells TAGS but I think there snake oil also. I did at least call and discuss with him his item with a open mind. Its a lot easier for me to trust Banks then it is a lot of OTHER products I see sold and pushed for these trucks. Especially some of the fueling boxes that are being sold.

 

[KLockliear]

Why call someone to hear their thoughts/opinions when you have seen the results from a dyno? The dyno doesn't lie. Oh yeah, we've tested that TAG too.

 

[DPKetchum]

Never can have too much knowledge or discuss engineering whys and why nots. You may or may not prove them wrong but I have a tendency to be point blank and ask things like We dyno'ed and saw NO DIFFERENCE etc. Until then I have to say that I understand more of what THEIR saying then I do the dyno graphs. Find them for some reason more believable. Including their explanation of what its designed to do. Big company with lots of power making mods for several decades to their benefit.

 

[BRayls]

I posted to hear what I have. I can see that bolting on a high ram will do a stock truck no good. but with all do respect if it does flow more air, and for that I can do a very reliable test on the head flow bench that can be repeated with very good accuracy. if it does will it lower egt's with other mods??? thats something the dyno does not show. we can all agree that anyone who has been around dynos knows that we could fool one +/- 15,20hp. so I would take a reputable shops facts. that being said have you ever done these tests with the high ram klockliear?? if it gets in more air ,and you are already hot . it should help lower egt's , right??I guess I will have to get my hands on one to flow ,for very repeatable facts. I have the stock one to go against.

 

[KLockliear]

I guess a phrase from my gasser buddies comes to mind... "boost overcomes all restriction". Basically, with a sustainted 20+psi of boost, the small amount of "necking down" these do doesn't affect it for squat.



To give you an idea, both our 740hp 24v and our 787hp 24v used the stock air horns. Joe D's 799hp 12v also used a stock airhorn. I know Joe tested the "twin ram" a while back when he was around 450hp, and found it cut 2hp off his power numbers.



BRayls, any numbers can be manipulated on certain types of dynos. On the inertial dynos that we run, if the run is made the same way every time, the repeatability and consistency is astounding.



Believe what you guys want. I just wanted to give the facts. Already posted links to other members' graphs. It's not worth hassling over for me... I don't sell that stuff, nor will I ever. When was the last time you saw a 500hp daily driver with Banks stuff as the power source? Our AVERAGE customer is over 400hp.

 

[ThomasLawrence]

Well, curiosity has gotten the better of me (again). One High-Ram intake is on it's way. Since I currently have exactly the problem Banks claims this intake was designed to help with (I can still add more fuel, but currently don't have enough air to keep up with it), and I have some previous dyno numbers to work against, I'll be installing the High Ram, then taking a trip back to my friendly neighborhood dyno shop, and see if there's any improvements, both on my current fueling settings as well as increased fueling (which previously resulted in LESS HP)



If there are improvements, I'll be very pleased. If not, it'll be back on the big brown truck



-Tom

 

[JDerbedrossian]

thanks tom im tired of everybodies opinion on the ram, now for some real results and -K- from DD calm down.

 

[Flores]

I guess a phrase from my gasser buddies comes to mind... "boost overcomes all restriction". Basically, with a sustainted 20+psi of boost, the small amount of "necking down" these do doesn't affect it for squat.



Your buddies not necessarily right. With a properly designed cam and large port heads(to a certain degree) you will normally see a REDUCTION in boost with an increase in power. It all has to do with the entire package. Rarely do you see a major gain in power from just changing an intake manifold with out changing something else also. Gotta go. Client just walked in... .

 

[KLockliear]

 

[krabman]

I think your forgetting that your talking about a closed and pressurized system.