banks question

[BRayls]

other than price per hp gained. does anyone have a problem with a banks product? that has used it personally? I can only remember seeing 2 bad sixgun posts, or was it 5. either way you can bet thats not many of the units sold. I have used their products and have had great results from them. not on my 03. I am starting a new forum banksbashers , or visit us at www.banksbashers.com getting old.

 

[Billywj]

i've never used anything of theres its to over priced. for the price you can get a kit from them you could build one your self and get double the horse

 

[TCDiesel]

I have sold over 100 Six-Gun Tuners for GM,Ford,DC,The Six-Gun tuner are far more complex than any tuner available, Example customer Calls wants new stage V for LCT-1000 complete $7000. 00 upgrade everything works correctly ,until I turn on tow-haul and turn co-polit all the way up to highest pressure,Truck does second gear scratch, than falls on face and engages L-mode return to shop drop VB find shift valve E stuck,Banks Six-gun TCM code,If the tuner would have NOT pick up the code from the TCM and de-fueled the C-3s would have been burn up or ?????. The Tuners are very sensitive,and in most cases save 1000s in repair costs,If the PCM,ECM,TCM has a hard code the Tuner will default to stock. On the 04. 5 cummins the crank code shows up often in most cases it is road debris water,slush,etc that makes contact with the sensor and wheel. You may find higher HP But it won"t be as safe. Most People are looking for performance Not a GTB.

 

[Matt400]

When I hear Banks I think of this thread



The only true thing that bothers me is not knowing what really caused his trouble. Another thread was started a year later and just when it looked like we might find out it was closed again, almost like the mods don't want us to know.

Focus was moved to a faulty CPS that was discovered after repairs were made. If thats true then added fueling WITH a bad CPS may have been what lunched his engine Its like reading a good book with no ending!



A few have had poor experiences with customer relations, not me. I called just the other day out of interest in their new TC. The sales person was very polite and informative, he said they are building that TC in house and not farming it out.

The cost was right in there with the other big names in TC's

 

[Matt400]

I have sold over 100 Six-Gun Tuners for GM,Ford,DC,The Six-Gun tuner are far more complex than any tuner available

So TWest- you probably know what they are doing then. . is it pressure, timing, duration or all 3??

 

[TCDiesel]

When I hear Banks I think of this thread



The only true thing that bothers me is not knowing what really caused his trouble. Another thread was started a year later and just when it looked like we might find out it was closed again, almost like the mods don't want us to know.

Focus was moved to a faulty CPS that was discovered after repairs were made. If thats true then added fueling WITH a bad CPS may have been what lunched his engine Its like reading a good book with no ending!



A few have had poor experiences with customer relations, not me. I called just the other day out of interest in their new TC. The sales person was very polite and informative, he said they are building that TC in house and not farming it out.

The cost was right in there with the other big names in TC's

Banks is working on trying to get DC to cover incured costs for Matt,Peter call Me a couple of weeks ago and ask if I would daft a letter to DC. I have not heard from DC. It"s about all I can say at this Time.

 

[TCDiesel]

So TWest- you probably know what they are doing then. . is it pressure, timing, duration or all 3??

Pressure ,timing on 3Gens, All three on LB7,LLY, 6. 0 all three.

 

[Matt400]

Thanks for the info on Matt's engine, not really mine or others business but since it was made public I have always wondered. I havent tried timing out yet but will soon as I ordered an Xzillarader thats suppose to change it some, don't know how much.



Does the Banks box plug into the CPS?

 

[bchesley]

I have their exhaust and like it. I would buy it again!!!



Brad

 

[jackcaptjr]

I agree with Brad... ..... good exaust system... ... have installed on two trucks ... ... very nice fit, finish and sound. To many sour posts on their "boxes". Where there is smoak there is fire... ..... I'll stick with TST



JR

 

[F-15I Ra'am]

I have their exhaust and I dont like it. Its got a bad drone and more rust on it than the stock exhaust on my old 2001!

 

[Car_nut57]

We have a Six-Gun in the 2004 in our shop and it has been working fine. It and the Edge module have had the best fuel economy improvements of the different boxes we have tried.

 

[Matt400]

Finally. . some favorable stuff on Banks, hope Peter gets to read it.

 

[JCleary]

I'm diggin' my exhaust as well. NO drone, and it sounds great. Not too loud, either.

 

[RMalone]

I get a drone on my banks exhauste, but only occasionally. Everthing else works fine but I do get an occasional code when its cold outside. No code in in warm weather, cant remember now but the code is either for cam or crank sensor position.



Banks may be too spendy, but I really dont think they make junk. Ive only been a member for a few months, but Ive seen threads discussing codes on edge, tst, quad, bullydog and more. Every truck, install, and fueling box has certain amount of variabily. So what works for one guy may turn out junk for another guy. I think all of the big players, in aftermarket mods, probably make pretty decent products, Conversely every manufacturer has a few duds, hell so do dodge and cummins for that matter.



One problem, I think it's a problem, is with boost pressure. According to my gauge (banks) even with the 6-gun turned off I can easily make 32lb. With the banks on 5 or 6 it will make 38. I read in TDR mag that those turbos really shouldn't be making more than 24-26 lbs. Something about the booste fooling not letting the electronic wastegate open. They say the TST doesn't have this problem. I may need a BIGGER turbo, damn the luck. :-laf

 

[BRayls]

the 04. 5 have bigger exhaust housing right? so more boost is possible over the 03-04 305 engines, or should be. my tst will push the boost to 48. 5 on my x-mon. doing any good up there is differant.

 

[LArnold]

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>matt400:listen to nothing you hear &half of what you see;good policy before bashing ANYTHING!i always say "take responsabillity for YOUR OWN ACTIONS"dont forget WE all read the DIS-CLAIMER on any power-upgrade. any way drivno8 is in marketing,so this time the wool got pulled over his eyes,so what to me its like a polatician complaining about anything,he's part of the conplaint!look i dont rush to judge any one,if 5 people said someones a jerk i would still form my opinon according to my experiences. f. y. i. :banks says DONT tow anything over setting #3 w/ a speed loader installed

take care ---LA

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"The #5 cyclinder was burnt so bad that a chunk of the valve broke off and rattled around. "
I am offering my humble opnion on this issue with no hostility
I am A marine engineer and work with large inline diesels with bores around 20 inches I have seen this happen before on these in line engines, what I think happened is that the #5 Valve broke first, my guess is it was the Exh valve? what happens next is the injector is still putting fuel into the #5 cylnder but with the exh valve broke compression will not happen, so the unburned fuel/ air mixture is pushed into the the Exh manifold an throws the whole cycle off for the other cylinders that fuel burns in the exh manifold thus causing the 2 closest cylinders to over heat that is why your pyro did not reg any thing wrong untill after the fact. if you had an alarm for high Exh temp for each cylinder you would have seen #5 go first #4 go second then # 6 go third this happens very quickly, the large engines that I have seen this happen to turn at 580 rpm and are a 4 stroke diesel as well from the time you lose the first valve the whole thing takes about 10 seconds before the the built in safetys shut the engine down this is at 580 rpm, I have seen this first hand twice last year while I was the engineer on watch aboard the ship I was working on. you were driving your Cummins
at around 2000 rpm you could cut that 10 seconds down to about 3. 5 before your engine had the melt down. and just like the rest of us you probally had your stereo on and highway noise none of us could have time to react before it was 2 late, I am not familar with the banks kit and as I understand it it had a safety system to tied to the pyro to shut down or to change the timing to cool things down if the temps went to high this whole thing happend so quick and the temps went up so fast that this system probally did not even have time to react before it was 2 late and like I said I have seen this before and on this equipment we have event loggers that log every thing and after the coast guard comes to investigate I have become very familar with this type of casulity and what happens. one mans humble opnion.

please do not Flame me as I am only offering a different perspective

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[LArnold]

rmalone-the issue #48 referred to the 03-04 turbo,does that includ 04. 5 model's turbo?because it said the "mechanical&electical waste-gate have to be treated differntly on the 04. 5-05 models"does 24-26psi still mean the same for these?
---thanks 4 tyme---LA



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One problem, I think it's a problem, is with boost pressure. According to my gauge (banks) even with the 6-gun turned off I can easily make 32lb. With the banks on 5 or 6 it will make 38. I read in TDR mag that those turbos really shouldn't be making more than 24-26 lbs. Something about the booste fooling not letting the electronic wastegate open. They say the TST doesn't have this problem. I may need a BIGGER turbo, damn the luck. :-laf<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

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[RMalone]

Ya know LA the article never really says what the boost for 04. 5/05 turbos should be. I was assuming since the article didn't say the newer turbo could handle more boost, hmm.

 

[Matt400]

LA- thats a pretty odd configured post, how did you manage that?

Almost thought Chris was writing me till I saw you signed it.



Aside from that I think Chris's guess is just that. . a guess. No disrespect to his opinion at all but I don't think his experience is with common rail injection systems.



The one year later post Driverno8 made "one year anniversary" that was deleted was getting much closer IMO to what happened.