Banks Technicooler.....Got it today.....

[jwilliams3]

I don't exactly follow your statement/question.



I think what you are trying to say that the turbo is producing less efficient/dense air from being over spun and back pressure is being raised???

 

[Spooled-up]

That might be it. I'm not exactly sure why, but I'll have to dig out a back issue of the

TDR and look it up. The back pressure would make sense, because of the restriction of the intercooler and associated plumbing, you pressurize the intake air. When air is pressurized, it generates heat. If you have a more free flowing intake system (intercooler, hoses, intake horn, and air filter) the boost will flow more quickly and not generate as much heat at the same pressure. It's like the difference between flowing 80 psi through a 1/4" tube and through a 3" tube. Wouldn't the 3" tube run cooler for the same pressure? Just trying to understand.

 

[jwilliams3]

Any less work the engine, turbo etc. has do to free's up horsepower.

Also, any cooler/denser air that the engine consumes is alot better than warmer/less dense air.

 

[RMalone]

Doesn't the decrease in restriction have to happen on both sides, intake and exhaust? Seems to me with a stock turbo no matter what you do on the intake side flow through the engine wouldn't really increase. I would think the above reductions in egt would have more to do with the increased cooling surface of the larger intercooler. I bet with a bigger turbo (to reduce exhaust restriction) you would really see a drop in EGT, probably some drop in boost also. Just my 02. I have been thinking about a new I. C but I have a few more projects before I jump on the bandwagon.

 

[Matt400]

I would think the above reductions in egt would have more to do with the increased cooling surface of the larger intercooler. I bet with a bigger turbo (to reduce exhaust restriction) you would really see a drop in EGT

Good point and makes me wonder performance and EGT wise what turbo you would need to go with to get the same results the banks IC does?

 

[Diesel Power]

Good point and makes me wonder performance and EGT wise what turbo you would need to go with to get the same results the banks IC does?

no matter what turbo you have once you get to that level where you need the IC a better turbo only matters a little, because then the restriction is the stock intercooler, then when thats freed up the whole intake system can work together,making really good power at a lower egt.

 

[Spooled-up]

Isn't our stock exhaust good for about 400-450 hp? Again something I remember reading, but can't remember for sure. I guess I should re-read all my TDR backissues!

 

[Diesel Power]

that stocker is not good for any thing really except for some one who dont want any noise :-laf its restrictive because exhaust company's are getting gains even on stock trucks!!--i would like to see a exhaust that was quiet like stock but was really good for like 600HP :--) oh well i'll keep dreaming :-laf

 

[Matt400]

no matter what turbo you have once you get to that level where you need the IC a better turbo only matters a little, because then the restriction is the stock intercooler, then when thats freed up the whole intake system can work together,making really good power at a lower egt.

Yes but what I was wondering was- for example on a stock truck with say a 60-100 hp box. .

What would make better power and cool better?

• Banks IC kit
  

or

• SP62
  

Realizing of course both together are best but what if only the one mod?

 

[Diesel Power]

good question, i would guess you would need the turbo first!! :-laf

 

[TCDiesel]

Yes but what I was wondering was- for example on a stock truck with say a 60-100 hp box. .

What would make better power and cool better?

• Banks IC kit
  

or

• SP62
  

Realizing of course both together are best but what if only the one mod?

The stock IC is Good for additional 125HP,until you put 5000 GTW behind it ,than even the Stock huffer can drive the ratio"s higher than the stock IC can handle. To answer your Question the 62 would be a better choice for the every Day Driver. change this equation much and your Back to the Upgraded IC.

 

[Matt400]

Hey T, what brand of VGT are you going to try?

 

[TCDiesel]

The shape-shifter from Banks,Mid-summer at Best,They have the Turbo its the electronics thats the challenge. I think its had more delays than the space shuttle. I don't Think anyone Else is even attempting it. A turbo Brake and exhaust brake in one package. With a turbo Brake Warm up will be only minutes. The New Detroit VGT has it,The Turbo controller will engage it at a pre-set Temp. High idle will be a thing of the past. Also I think the ISB will have it stock in 07,The VGT is more emissions friendly than the waste-gate Turbo"s we have today.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

I havent checked for leaks but I havent had a loss in boost either.

jwilliams I didnt see a loss in boost either, but trust me I have alot of air going through the studs and nuts, we put pressure through the turbo and at only 5psi it started leaking and at 20-25psi wow freight train.



Jake.

 

[Matt400]

Sounds trick, The Aurora MST (Multi Stage Turbo) has had my interest for its simplicity but to my knowledge non are out yet.

Where you are fast warm ups would be nice. I only see temps the 20's. All uphill to work I run the mopar front with one flap open and then close that one up for the downhill ride home.

 

[JGrosso]

Update, on Banks intercooler system.

I received the 75 lb box yesterday, and all was good with the shipping.

On initial inspection, I had to wash out the tubes and hoses because there were pretty dirty inside.



The intercooler is way larger than stock, Taller and thicker. The stock tubes and intercooler connections are supposed to be 2. 75" (according to Banks, I din't measure them), the new tubes and intercooler connections are 3. 5".



The High Ram needed some attention with my hand grinder to remove a sharp lip on the opening where the hose hooks up. Looked like just some of the casting that wasn't cleaned up. There was also a slight casting lip on the inside of the high ram, so I cleaned it up too.

Next, I drilled and tapped the one boss on the back of the high ram, so I can hook up my boost gauge after installing the high ram. The high ram was washed out too, to remove all the aluminum chips.



I installed the system today, and it took about 4-hours.

A photo of the drivers side tube routing would have been nice, but it wasn't too hard to figure out how it goes in.

The instructions were prety good, but I had to install the drivers side hose clamp different than they said to.

I had a gasket scraper with a plastic blade that seemed to work well for removing the remaining gasket material from the intake/heater grid assembly.

Banks instructions say they included thread lock for the intake studs, but there was none in my kit?

I used Lock-tite blue on the studs where they go into the intake.



You have to bend the oil dipstick tube to attach to the high ram, and I managed to break off the plastic handle of my dip stick doing this

So I ordered a new dipstick from the dealer, just over $6 for a new one.



The results are hard to quantify right now. it appears it did help lower my EGTs a bit, I will know tomorrow when I tow the trailer. It sort of seems like when driving normal (part throttle) the turbo isn't working as hard (same power at lower boost?)

What I mean is with my AFE intake you can normally hear the turbo wistle a bit at part throttle driving around 50 mph. Now it seems like I can do 50 MHP with a bit less turbo noise?

 

[TCDiesel]

Please check to Make sure that the Clamp on the Driver side is NOT touching the Outlet transmission line. I have seen were the Clamp rests against the front pillar and move the cooler just enough to touch the line. T&C also (03-05) recommends that the driver side wheel well be partially removed and the washer fluid bottle be remove also. This takes additional 10 minutes but you save that amount on the install of the driver side tube and you get to keep your skin on your harms and hands. Sorry to hear that the fit and finish was not properly done and the dirt is just plain sloppy.

 

[JGrosso]

The intercooler does sit pretty low compared to the stock one.

What is the best way to build up the saddle area? Is there a thicker rubber peice or just have to fabricate something? I would like to raise the intercooler about 1/8". it is really close to the trans cooler lines on the drivers side.

 

[JGrosso]

If anyone is still following this thred, Here is what I did to space up the intercooler so the drivers side outlet does not rest on the transmission cooler lines. I had some 3/4" round tubing (0. 070" wall thickness) laying around, so I cut two peices about 3" long, and flattened (crushed) the tubing in my hydraulic press. The result was a pretty decent size (about the right width) spacer of approximatly 3/16" thickness (the edges of the tube did not completly crush flat. ) Anyhow, the clearance seems to bo good now, but I may still set-up something for a full 1/4" spacer. Anyone know what the bolts on either side of the intercooler saddle mount are for, and if they can be used to hold the spacer in place?

 

[glhs]

If you guys don't mind... ... ... ... what is the thickness of the stock intercooler vs Banks and could someone measure the center to center distance of the inlet and outlet openings of the intercooler.

Thanks

Kurt