BBI for the masses

[cerberusiam]

I’ve bought into the BBi program and now it is time jump in with both feet and see if they are real. I just want the best quality injector available for my Cummins

The more I read and hear about the efficiency and design of BBi injectors the more I am inclined to step up and try them on my 05. At this time I want to keep reasonable power for daily driving and towing as I am running a stock turbo and figure I have enough air for the low 400’s when towing heavy. The thoughts of twins entered my mind for the future after I save for them and I want to have a set of injectors suitable for a stock truck used to pull a trailer and have the same set of injectors be suitable for just over my possible goal of 700 horsepower if I am inclined at a later date. The primary objective for my choosing of the BBi stage 1’s is quality, reliability, and efficiency. What I have read and heard from people who run them, and what I have seen comparison wise along with common sense information provided about these injectors here on the forums have convinced me to try these.

Researching these injectors and learning a bit of information about who is actually behind BBI definitely makes the decision easier. BBi is bringing to the table information never shared with the general public before, not all of it of course but enough to definitely whet the appetite. While I am happy with the BMS 50’s I am running, I really want to see/hear/feel this difference they are describing. All the info to date says no hype to it. I’ve have a brand new shiny set of Stage 1 124 degree injectors and what is supposed to be the updated connector tubes sitting on my bench ready to go in this weekend.

But first I need something for comparisons that is not SOP, I think some dyno sheets and contribution percentages should prove one way or another the diferences. The BMS 50's have given me a boost in power and efficiency over stock, looking now to see what the real power is compared to my stock injector dyno runs. Then, in go the BBI's and back to the dyno.

Tomorrow morning I am going to Alternative Motorsports in OKC to baseline the current setup. For those of you that watch Street Outlaws this is Chuck's shop.

I have run the snot out of my truck for the last 4 weeks moving from Georgia to Oklahoma. Three trips grossing anywhere from 17-21k on the loads should have burned the soot and carbon out and this should be a good time to get some numbers for a baseline. I will post up the dyno results for a reference as soon as I get them.

Once I have the BBI's in back to Chucks and see what the numbers look like, then end of the month have one last trip to Georgia and back to get a feel for how they perform.

 

[Prairie Dog]

This will be very interesting. Looking forward to the numbers!

Scott

 

[seafish]

I plan to eventually replace the oem injectors in my 05 with the BBi injectors…THANKS for being the guinea pig, though given their lineage, I am sure that you will not be disappointed.

 

[AllianceDiesel]

Wish I would of had the money to do bbis. Im a worry wort so I will always second guess everything I do to my personal pickup. Just wish they made a line of stock new injectors for the people not wanting the extra power.

 

[p-Bar]

Wondering if the stage 1's would pass the snap test in Cali?

 

[bigceltic]

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[AH64ID]

I love my BBi Stage 1's!!

I too have enough air for towing right around 400 rwhp at elevation, which is where I tow. You will probably have to dial the fuel WAY back to keep it around 400, my duration is somewhere around 80% of stock WOT and I am ±410/850 on the dyno. I can roll WOT above 2000 rpms up thru about 5-6K feet and 85° and be below 1250°

Two weekends ago I hit a 6% grade at 2000rpms in 5th and WOT up to 2500 rpms. Boost was 31 (cam and better turbine make for lower peak boost but higher airflow) and EGT's peaked at about 1175°. This was at 19K GCW on a 65-70° day starting at 3K feet elevation. It went from 50-65 in a HURRY too Zero smoke/haze, just plain old acceleration.

Wondering if the stage 1's would pass the snap test in Cali?

With stock tuning yes they would pass, or on a UDC tune that spent time on the snap test scenario.

 

[Regcabguy]

Wondering if the stage 1's would pass the snap test in Cali?

Excellent pt.
A year ago we were in Mammoth and if I lived there,I'd have to unload the Smarty or pare it way back to sw#1.
I wonder how the BBI's would work with EFI?
When you figure in the resale of your present injectors the cost is competitive.

 

[cerberusiam]

Wondering if the stage 1's would pass the snap test in Cali?

Is it just visual for ANY smoke? How do they do it and will try it when the injectors are in.

With the BMS 50's on SW3, Timing 3, RP 1, TQ 1 I could pretty much run it WOT throttle up any grade and not break 1200 degrees. It would get close heavy and lugging but it still looked good with stock parts. That should be right at the 400 HP mark and will get a number for that today.

SW5 works well if you watch the throttle and gearing but it can get hot in a hurry. In cool weather and rain on the reltively flat ground east of the Rockies it is easily used and not hard to control.

I put my lockup switch back in for the dyno runs, I had forgotten how much fun the truck is with the TC locked and the loud pedal on the floor.

 

[p-Bar]

Is it just visual for ANY smoke? How do they do it and will try it when the injectors are in.

Cerb it's a visual so very subjective they should be using a spectrometer but that's beside the point . I had to take the smarty and turn the POD down to 20 so it wouldn't smoke with the stockers. They must be honed out out . The test is let it idle and snap the accelerator a couple times and watch the exhaust. Thanks

 

[p-Bar]

Is it just visual for ANY smoke? How do they do it and will try it when the injectors are in.

Cerb it's a visual so very subjective they should be using a spectrometer but that's beside the point . I had to take the smarty and turn the POD down to 20 so it wouldn't smoke with the stockers. They must be honed out out . The test is let it idle and snap the accelerator a couple times and watch the exhaust. Thanks

 

[MMeier]

cerb, next trip to Chucks tell him Mark from Vegas says hello ! Used to run trailers out of Shawnee before everything went to crap in '08. Hope to start that back up again soon !! Interested to see how these sticks work as well.

 

[Mobius1]

I have the BBI stg 1.5. Very clean smooth injectors. Don't think you can go wrong with them. Regardless what you use your truck for (towing, DD etc...)

 

[cerberusiam]

I got the first dyno with the BMS nozzles done today.

Stock - 211\639

SW3 TM3 - 306\720

SW5 TM3 - 475\975

SW5 TM4 - 455\947

SW7 TM3 - 480\999


The stock tune run is just not right. I think probably because I did not have a the boost fooler on it and it shut the fueling down.

I think I need to do a couple more runs with boost fooler and WG crimped off to see if it comes back close to previous numbers. My best runs before were 287\560 stock so I think there was an issue with that run and maybe the SW3 run also. That was a lot higher and dryer than here so it will make some difference as it was pretty wet air today. We had some issues with the crank pickup on the 1st 2 runs and tying down so it is possible the engine cooled enough it was effecting things also.

Obviously by SW7 it is out of fuel and air. LP pressure was at 0 and EGT's were headed thru 1500 at the end of the run. SW5 will draw it down under 2 and hit almost 1400 but those numbers are close to what they should be.

I didn't have someone to watch gauges today and the EGT gauage is acting a bit wonky so not positive those are good readings, they may be low.

The BMS injectors are pretty clean for smoke. Since the shop doesn't have an outside vent it was interesting to see how it was going to work. Was pretty clean until we did SW7 and that hazed it up pretty good.

 

[AH64ID]

I bet TM2 would have been over 500 on SW7, otherwise nice numbers. You can tell by the torque that you spool very fast.

The 0.69 OD of the 48RE is also good for torque.

Weird on stock, but you may be right on fuel being cut.

I didn't ever run any of the box SW on the dyno, but did 505/950 in 5th with a little less duration than SW7 has at around 1300°-1350°. 5th cost me ~75 ft/lbs, maybe more based on previous testing.

 

[Ozymandias]

Impressive Numbers, what that Smarty makes is awesome!

 

[cerberusiam]

I bet TM2 would have been over 500 on SW7, otherwise nice numbers. You can tell by the torque that you spool very fast.

it might even come close on SW5 and TM 2 if the jumop between 2 and 3 is abut the same as 3 and 4. The mnore I look at those first 2 runs the more it bugs me. I need to go back and do some more runs to fix that.

 

[JR]

Hey Cerb, you havin any anxiety about the lack of trees out there? :-laf

Good luck to you in your move, it is a big change for sure picking up roots and moving cross country.

 

[cerberusiam]

Hey Cerb, you havin any anxiety about the lack of trees out there? :-laf

Not even a little bit, one of the main reasons I moved was them darn trees cluttering up my site lines. Not to mention all the raking and cleaning the gutters 4 times per year....#@$%!

I figure 1 leafy tree per 20 acres is about right. I like evergreens much better.

 

[cerberusiam]

Well, crud! Looks like the 250k on the LP and CP-3 is starting to make itself felt, or, the 50's are just too much for the stock low pressure system.

Reran with boost fooler;

Stock - 225/610, gained 24 HP lost 29 TQ

SW3 TM2 - 310/728, gained on both ends

SW5 TM2 - 474/978, id not gian much if anything

UDC Tune - 385/761 (Expected around 450 hp)

Looks like the top end fuel delivery is just weak. Not seeing any major drops in rail pressure but the power seems to be off on the top end.

Ah well, just more toys to buy. Should make for some decent comparisons to the BBI's now to see how they actually perform on stock pieces and less than adequate fuel delivery.