bbi injectors... cores?

[promisedland]

hey,ya'll! BBI has great injectors., but they dont need cores. what do you do with them? who buys them & what do they pay?

 

[promisedland]

ok...my though is that if cores are worth something..........maybe bbi's will not be so crazy $ compared to, say ddp. [?]

 

[p-Bar]

Sell them to the hackers who want to put junk back together

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

ok...my though is that if cores are worth something..........maybe bbi's will not be so crazy $ compared to, say ddp. [?]

Matthew, crazy $? Have you compared the pricing with our stg 1's compared to their 90 hp injectors? Here is the pricing page and note that we were able to have a price reduction starting a few weeks ago: http://smartyresource.com/bbi-injectors-03-04-stg1.aspx
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https://www.turbodieselregister.com...rrent-strength-of-the-US-Dollar?highlight=bbi

I believe the aftermarket injector companies charge in the neighborhood of $900 for that core charge. For BBi, there is no core charge or no core needed since our injectors only use Brand new components and we would have no use for those used parts.

Also keep in mind that one would not wish to make a purchase of something as important as injectors for a common rail based on price alone. Do some comparisons Matthew! BBi are Brand new hand built Injectors with modifications to the nozzle, bodies, and internals and do not use the abrasive media method of hogging out the nozzle holes that are common with aftermarket injectors found here in the states. Only one of the benefits of BBi Injectors are that they are the only CR injector which can claim NO rattle.

Questions Matthew? Feel free! Oo.

 

[seafish]

Brian, what are the "body modifications" that make the stage 1 (03-07) injectors different then the non body modified stage 1 (03-07) injectors ??

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

I am only able to share a minimal amount on specifics due to proprietary information. For those that do not know the results of what the high rpm body mods do this will show the differences. http://www.bigbanginjection.com/performance/

This example is on a mild truck with a single stock CP3 and other limitations. This is strictly posted for a comparison.

 

[seafish]

So it seems as if the body mod is strictly for performance/power not longevity??

 

[promisedland]

GULP!,..BRIAN SAW THIS..... i'm sweating..... well, cr injectors ARE expensive. I"M A TITE WAD can't you tell!? From what i read BBIs have the top in many folks eyes. It's still a lot of $..... i'll check your links out. The ddp inj. i priced were 50hp.

So, what DO folks do with there cores....That buy BBIs??....

i was told $1200. core charge from one that wants them back.

And yes, i still cling to my ''crazy expensive'', sorry!

 

[promisedland]

The link u gave, Brian,... is for 03/04 spray angle.... sigh,...i HAD to bring that up! u do have stage 1 in 05 spray angle, dont you? i'v been keeping my eyes open for info on this subject,..and getting mixed reviews.

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

Here is the page you desire Matthew. http://smartyresource.com/bbi-injectors-04-07-stg1.aspx These are the 124* spray angle for your 05.
As to the cores there is a market. At your leisure you can find a place for them. Meanwhile no rush to get cores returned nor pay a core charge in the interim. Keep that $1200 in your pocket!

Seafish, those particular mods, the high RPM body mods are done for performance. Other features found in the BBi Injectors are there for longevity in addition to performance and efficiency.

Thank you gentlemen!

 

[promisedland]

Thanks Brian! If i remember,.. you dont see a prob. with 03 inj. in a 05 ram...am i correct? is the prob. with diff. make inj.? or????????????
I'm not sure where i stand,.. what i would buy,.. i love the idea of the 7,[or is it 8?] hole inj. of the 03. I have read that some folks think more smoke, carbon, rattle, ?? with 03 inj. in 05 eng... input? thanks!
p.s.,...i dont read between the lines,...

 

[Tuesdak]

GULP!,..BRIAN SAW THIS..... i'm sweating..... well, cr injectors ARE expensive. I"M A TITE WAD can't you tell!? From what i read BBIs have the top in many folks eyes. It's still a lot of $..... i'll check your links out. The ddp inj. i priced were 50hp.

So, what DO folks do with there cores....That buy BBIs??....

i was told $1200. core charge from one that wants them back.

And yes, i still cling to my ''crazy expensive'', sorry!

Brand new Bosch are only ~$400 cheaper than BBI's on their website. It like buying 7 instead of 6 and still cheaper than 8.

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

Thanks Brian! If i remember,.. you dont see a prob. with 03 inj. in a 05 ram...am i correct? is the prob. with diff. make inj.? or????????????
I'm not sure where i stand,.. what i would buy,.. i love the idea of the 7,[or is it 8?] hole inj. of the 03. I have read that some folks think more smoke, carbon, rattle, ?? with 03 inj. in 05 eng... input? thanks!
p.s.,...i dont read between the lines,...

You would have no issue using the 03 injector in the 05 but you would not want to use the 04.5-07 injector in the 03/04 due to the spray pattern. No more smoke, or carbon. Rattle? Negative!!! These are BBi's were talking about.

We use the 03 pattern in 04.5+ trucks often.

 

[cerberusiam]

Brand new Bosch are only ~$400 cheaper than BBI's on their website.

Yeah, but those stock ones leave a bit to be desired on QC and consistency. The $400 difference can be made up in efficiency.

I have used both spray patterns, the 143 spray pattern seemed cleaner than the stock injectors when timing was set correctly, and that was a 50 HP injector. The BMS's were a lot quieter than the stockers, the BBI's quieter than the BMS's.

Don't think you can go wrong with either one.

 

[promisedland]

thank you!

 

[promisedland]

cerb...on your current inj. [bbi].............. wich angle did you go with? stock piston? [05]

also for Brian or whoever,.... what would you advise me to go with? 03 or 05 injectors?

Also, what brand/moded new bosch?.........new stock bosch is cheapest, and it goes up from there!

thanks in advance!!!

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

Matthew, no reason at this time you wouldn't go 04.5 style Injectors if you are doing stg 1's. As to modding the new Bosch negative! Do not have a new factory injector tampered with! Here is a little info on why:

(Direct Quote from Martin of BBi in Austria)

The pins are for proper alignment that is correct, but they are not designed to withstand any force on them. That is the reason a force must be applied on the nozzle body to increase the friction between the nozzle body and the injector body, prior to loosening or tightening the retaining nut. One must insure that there is not any torque applied to the alignment pins!

Is your torque wrench capable of measuring the torque and the angle at the same time? To start the angle measurement when a defined torque is reached and to tell you if one of both is not within tolerances?

If you do not have a torque wrench comparable to that one linked below with the same tolerances, you are not able to tighten a nozzle retaining nut correctly:



QuanTec electronic torque wrench / rotational angle wrench Gwk - Werkzeug Shop http://www.toolsshop.ch/ch_en/quantec-electronic-torque-wrench-rotational-angle-wrench-gwk.html

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https://www.toolsshop.ch/media/pdf/en/en655000.pdf



The second thing you need is something to apply a force on the nozzle body, do you have something for that? Building up a force which is high enough to not damage the alignment pins and the sealing surfaces during tightening?

Here is a video I found on youtube of a device for rebuilding injectors in the aftermarket. While not the proper equipment, it is better than having nothing for doing this procedure.



This is still not perfect because the force is not measured and not high enough to insure no damage occurs to the alignment pins or sealing surfaces.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNwITIAK6gk

First and foremost:


We only offer for sale, complete injector sets. We will not sell nozzle sets separately. Perfect quality can only be achieved with complete injector sets. Injector disassembly & reassembly outside of optimum clean room conditions often create their own problems. Common failures that can occur:

- High pressure Leakage between nozzle and injector body by using

incorrect torque values
- Mis alignment & contamination are common issues.

- High pressure Leakage potential due to damage to the high pressure

sealing surfaces.


All these failures can lead to a broken nozzle retaining nut


Failures by the injector itself will not be detected

Beside the possible failures we change all the necessary injector adjustment parameters to get the maximum power out of our nozzles. http://www.bigbanginjection.com/products/

We are Common rail builders with a lot of experience, we are not telling anything that isn't true.

It is well worth it to step up to the BBi STG 1's from the Brand New Bosch. And one would want to think twice about any injector that is tampered with or not assembled in a factory clean room type setting using the proper equipment.

 

[cerberusiam]

I went with the 04.5+ spray pattern this time. Have a set of the 143's are running in my sons and ran in mine for 50k.

Brian, confirm\correct me on the specs: 126 degree spray pattern, 7 hole SAC nozzle.

 

[BrianAtSmarty]

They are actual 124*. For those specifically, 5 hole SAC.

Thank you!
:cheers:

 

[cerberusiam]

Ah, the BMS 60's must be the 126 pattern then. Too may numbers and too many versions.