BD TC or DTT TC...Leaning towards BD...

[EagleEye]

OK... not trying to spool up things here, but I may be upgrading my AT. I like the way it shifts (bone stock), I like the smoothness, I like the speeds at which it shifts, I like everything about it EXCEPT the slight flair of RPM at high horsepower while locked up. Dodge did a fairly good job here, I gotta admit.



I have been reading the posts about Bill K's stuff and see that people are really loyal.



I look at DTT's web site, and I see an impeller that is welded, not machined. BD's impeller is machined.



OK, here's the rub... isn't a machined impeller ALOT more accurate as far as angles of approach and departure AND isn't a machined impeller ALOT stronger due to billet properties??? It seems to me that welding produces heat stresses, porosity, warps the metal, etc, etc.



I have NEVER seen a steam turbine OR aircraft turbine OR turbo that is manufactured in this way (welding). I have an extensive background in steam generation AND non-destructive testing/metallurgy and cannot possibly see the benifits of welding an impeller (except if you don't have the CNC machining to do it from straight billet). BUT... I also am NOT a transmission expert.



I am simply looking for the best, most reliable product out there.



Those with BD, please chime in, havn't seen much on the board about BD... Those with DTT, I'm SURE you will also chime in, and that too is welcome.



And I also believe the BD PressureLoc is a temporary fix AT BEST!!! But I would gladly like some feedback on their Torque Converter and Valve Body. The people at BD seem to want me to buy ALL of their products (which DID NOT impress me).



No I have not called Bill K. as of yet, just looking for opinions.



I just want a slight upgrade, I don't want a full RACE transmission. Like I said, I like what I got, just got to do something about the lockup FLAIR.

 

[Stranger]

Here's my opinion.

I had a trans problem. Thought I lost 1st gear. Posted on this board and within minutes (OK maybe hours , Bill K. posted a reply and told me the CHEAPEST way to diagnose the problem, FREE (If it's free, it's for me!!).



No one; read this as NONE OF THE OTHER TRANS BUILDERS even responded, let alone gave me FREE INFO .



My advice is to call Bill, it's a free call and just flat out ask him what you want to know! Given your background and his knowledge you will get your question answered.

 

[Batman]

Call DTT! I won't try to explain the difference between machined and steel stators (I don't remember the EXACT specifics). All I can tell you is that DTT products rock.

See if their are any members in your area that will let you drive their truck. Driving is believing.

You don't have to have your transmission set for race. Just tell Bill what you are looking for and he will build your VB to what you need and will suggest the best TC for your specific situation.

HTH

 

[Devildog]

You should do your home work as you are doing, when the dust settles you will see what is best for you. That's what I did

 

[Hammer]

B-D or DTT eh??????

Since I'm a stick man it may seem odd that I answer this one but here I go,,I myself have driven three trucks with aftermarket transmission convertors one at our Northeast MD meet and two since,,Last two were equipped one B-D convertor and one Dunrite convertor,both were very loose to me,,Kinda reminded me of a 8" convertor in my race car when you needed a 9",Both had too much stall for me,,The other was a DTT in Mopar Muscle's rocketship,it was the first good diesel auto convertor I drove and none of the others have even come close,,I'd say do a little reaserch on what member has on of Bill K's near you and drive it you'll not be dissappointed thats for sure... .

 

[CGoyette]

the answer is in the name

seach bd and Bill K and on other boards on the net the answer is clear Bill K stands by his product even to a fault... . read and if you find a better deal than a DTT post it we would all love to hear it

Curt

PS

My DTT is gonna happen as soon as I get back to the states TC and VB

 

[BLACKRAM]

If you don't go with Bill K. now, you will once your Brand X breaks.



Buy it once, and do it right. DTT

 

[Batman]

EagleEye



Do you see a pattern forming here???

 

[Big White Beast]

Research told me DTT was the best.

I haven't had mine for long so I can't comment on it lasting. But I will tell you that anyone involved in DTT's operation is first class. No BS from anyone even if it's not the answer I wanted to hear.



And I'll tell you that my truck is completely different now. If you think DC did a good job wait till you drive one that's got DTT stuff in it. WOW is all I can say.



Test drive a few. I'm sure if you ask, anyone close to you will be willing to let you see how it drives.



The VB can also be set for the driving conditions you specify.



I've seen too many posts here where people with other after market stuff are switching to DTT's. Never the other way around.



Just my 2¢ worth,



Garrett

 

[K_Arts]

DTT all the way. I got Bill's setup in my truck, and I'll be buying one for the wifes truck pretty soon.



As Bill says. . and the Stands by it!! "You pay me now... or you pay me later!"



A little food for though. Word has it that Arlan went through 2 Bd transmission's (both failing). . then finally purchased a DTT transmission. hmmmm... . I hear that he still has his DTT transmission. Boy would I like to hear his side of the story.



Kev

 

[DGFoster]

Originally posted by 2000ney

If you don't go with Bill K. now, you will once your Brand X breaks.



Buy it once, and do it right. DTT

I agree with 2000ney,do it right the first time... . Dave

 

[Cooker]

As far as the VB. Bill will build it to your specs. If you tell him you don't want very firm, grab your *** shift, he will tailor that to your needs.



As far as the TC, if you could drive two trucks, exactly the same in every way except the TC, one DTT the other Brand X, you would see why those of us with the DTT convertors are so happy with them.



When you say RPM flair, I assume you mean RPM drop when the TC goes into lockup. The DTT concertors have the least amount of RPM loss going into lockup than any other convertor out there. For me, I could care less if the convertor ever goes into lockup. All the power is there out of lockup, that's what makes DTT the best convertor choice IMO.

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Eagle Eye,



From reading your post i get the impression you may be thinking based on our pictures that the stators are hand built in some little back room.



The truth is the stators in our tc is built by a ISO9001 company.

As a matter of fact we are the only aftermarket torque convertor company that builds stators to these standards.

I could save myself a lot of money by building my stators out of aluminum on a cnc machine, but the strength is not there.

Most of you guys out there that have used cnc machines know that the cost of anything built on a cnc machine is based on volume and cost per minute, # of steps and set up time.

While ours uses a 6 step process, and i know i can cut that down to 2 steps by going to aluminum, it wouldn't be the same torque converter you guys are talking about.



I guess we should update the pictures on our website,as i have been told by customers that other companies are using it to suggest that we are hand building them, implying they are inferior quality, but it is a matter of personal pride as that was our first one that was hand built on a lathe.



We are not worried about our stators breaking, that is why they are guaranteed for life.



My best advice to you sir is simply this, choose a company that makes you feel confident and comfortable with the product. If you dont you will always be 2nd guessing yourself.



If you are happy with the factory tc, you may be better off with one of our competitors tc's as the change you notice will be nominal.



You ultimately have to be comfortable with your choice.

 

[Archive]

My DTT 91% torque converter was and is the best money I've ever invested in a vehicle ... ... and I do mean EVER!!!

 

[Bob Wagner]

DTT's Products

"Simply the BEST Guaranteed"

 

[dezrat]

BD TC or DTT

EAGLE EYE



Let me jump in here with my experience.

I have 150,000 on my 94 now. The first 50,000 I left her stock. Then I added a TST 230/605 plate. Now I really needed a different tc to use the additional power so a BD low stall TC and TFOD shift kit were added.

I used that setup for 70,000 miles. It was not much better than the stock one. Only when the TC was locked up could I use the power I had. Unlocked it was a joke.

For 10,000 miles I have had the GREAT PLEASURE to have a DTT.

I had Bill K rebuild my trans. Used a 91 TC.

I absolutely love it! I do not need the lockup mode to get power to the wheels. This trans is just great. It works perfectly.

What more can anyone want?

 

[FDziurda]

I have a manual transmission also, so you might think it's strange that I'd reply to this thread.



I'd suggest you drive a vehicle equipped with one of the DTT converters (I have) to really get a feel for what it's like. I'm not an "Auto" guy but if I ever had one it would be equipped with one of Bill K's converters... . It's amazing! Besides that, Bill is simply a nice guy!



Frank Dz

 

[KB0OU]

DTT RULES

I have a DTT 91%

If you get any other you will do yourself harm!!!!!

Get a DTT and put that torque to the ground not out the exhaust.

 

[SlyBones]

Interesting thread. The only guy that told him to look at any other brand was Bill K. himself.



Based on your comments, I would suggest a DTT 89% TC, a livestock VB, custom tuned for your smooth shifts, and all the master kit upgrades.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

EagleEye,



I will sell you a used BD torque converter and valve body. They were in working condition when I had my dtt TC & VB installed about 1 month ago. Sorry about the lost sale Bill!!!!



But in all fairness, is there anyone out there who has the new BD TC? I believe it is the 6? I have not heard about anyone with one.