Best Oil filtering system PERIOD

[Dieselram]

Would you guys be interested in a bypass filter system that is even better than the one advertized it Diesel Power? That system has a 4 micron filter. Our system has a 1 micron filter(average oil filter is 10+ microns). I have the oil analysis to prove that infact the oil in our test vehicles is actually cleaner after 10,000 miles that it was the day it was put in. (Read: CLEANER THAN NEW OIL) Check out the US website and let me know if your interested. www.kleenoil.com click on kleenoil microfiltration. We have these oil systems on all of our big trucks(3 Kw's and 4 Macks) as well as all of our construction equipment(over 40 pieces of equipment) I wouldn't promote this product if I didn't believe in it as well as have it on over 10 million dollars worth of our own equipment.

 

[elandon1201]

Well here is the one advertised in diesel power. . http://filtrationsolutionsww.com/... . look at thier independent oil analisys test and judge for yourself. This equipment is bieng used on BILLIONS of dollars worth of tractortrailers, heavy equipment, small trucks worldwide you name it they have a system.

 

[Dieselram]

Yes I have read all there test, and have conducted our own test, My product is still better in every aspect, Not to mention I have the product on MY equipment, Not just on customer vehicles, I can provide you with test results from an independant Cat. Lab as well. We have actually have used 3 different testing labs and are confident in our findings.

 

[hammersley]

What does the system $$$$$

With either one - what is the $$$$ of the replacement filters????

 

[Mhannink]

better then new oil? how is that possible

 

[elandon1201]

Replacements for fs-2500 is around 15 bucks I believe

 

[amsoilman]

Would you guys be interested in a bypass filter system that is even better than the one advertized it Diesel Power? That system has a 4 micron filter. Our system has a 1 micron filter(average oil filter is 10+ microns). I have the oil analysis to prove that infact the oil in our test vehicles is actually cleaner after 10,000 miles that it was the day it was put in. (Read: CLEANER THAN NEW OIL) Check out the US website and let me know if your interested. www.kleenoil.com click on kleenoil microfiltration. We have these oil systems on all of our big trucks(3 Kw's and 4 Macks) as well as all of our construction equipment(over 40 pieces of equipment) I wouldn't promote this product if I didn't believe in it as well as have it on over 10 million dollars worth of our own equipment.

And how efficient is this filter at removing 1 MICRON particles? I could never find that in the published documents.





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[jwgary]

It looks like this is all offline filtration. Also, is there a forum guidelines violation here?

 

[elandon1201]

I dont think so thread was started as best filtration system period. Not with any brand name. A statement such as this is bound to spark contraversy

 

[HRDROKN]

Who knows this answer???

Diameter of average human hair 70 microns

Lower limit of visibility (naked eye) 40 microns

White blood cells 25 microns

Talcum powder 10 microns

Red blood cells 8 microns

Bacteria 2 microns

Carbon black 0. 6 microns

Tobacco smoke 0. 5 microns



At what point do you start removing components of the lubricating oil?

 

[mhuggler]

Diameter of average human hair 70 microns

Lower limit of visibility (naked eye) 40 microns

White blood cells 25 microns

Talcum powder 10 microns

Red blood cells 8 microns

Bacteria 2 microns

Carbon black 0. 6 microns

Tobacco smoke 0. 5 microns



At what point do you start removing components of the lubricating oil?

Good point. Also, if memory serves correct, anything smaller than 5 microns isn't going to hurt your engine anyway; so what's the point?

 

[Mhannink]

Good point. Also, if memory serves correct, anything smaller than 5 microns isn't going to hurt your engine anyway; so what's the point?

well ive been hearing that there are tolerances in the new hpcr's that are down to a mircron or 2

 

[mhuggler]

well ive been hearing that there are tolerances in the new hpcr's that are down to a mircron or 2

No. Even the fuel injectors don't run clearances like that. That's almost a press fit! Are you sure you don't mean . 001" or . 002"?

 

[Turbo1Ton]

well ive been hearing that there are tolerances in the new hpcr's that are down to a mircron or 2

Just an FYI: 1 micron = 3. 93700787 × 10^-5 inches



Really dang small! I would love to meet the machinist that can keep those kind of tolerances though!



That's as close to not being a press fit as you can get!



Edit: By the way, I am in the filtration industry. Typically when talking about automotive spin on filters, anything that is rated 96%-99% at 10 micron (Purolator Pure-One filters fall in this range) is a really good oil filter. I am going to test one of the Fleetguard filters as soon as I get a chance. I'll let you all know what I find out.

 

[moparguy]

Turbo1Ton, looking forward to your Fleetguard test.



RR

 

[HRDROKN]

Due to the OEM's (driven by consumer) wanting longer drain intervals... additive development has produced viscosity index improvers that have fairly long molecular chains. This maintains the oils viscosity index through the repetitive shearing of the oil over time... the longer the drain interval the shorter these chains become. In addition as these molecules are sheared they are subject to other molecules attaching themselves such as an oxidation string etc. So not only do you reduce your viscosity index, but now your VI improver is carrying an oxidation string to attack the metals in your motor. This is a simplified example of the complexity of lubrication problems.



Just to add to this... .



The vast majority of your engine protection comes from efficient "first pass filtration" so if you aren't doing a good job there, you're going to get wear!



We ran a 100K oil test a few years ago... sent in regular oil analyse. Overall the results looked good as far as the oil went. When we tore down the motor for analyse we found that our mechanic had installed the thrust bearing backwards and we had about . 060 missing from the block... . oil analysis never picked it up!



With bypass systems your trying to extend your drain intervals? Cost savings? Time savings? What does your oil analyse tell you?



If I was managing a fleet, these things would be important. For my personal truck... I replace my oil every 10K regardless...

 

[amsoilman]

According to the (SAE) Society Of Automotive Engineers paper 881825, AC Spark Plug and Detroit Diesel Corp. performed a joint study of the relationship between the level of engine oil filtration and Engine wear rates, and found finer filtration reduced the rate of Engine wear.



Diesel and Gasoline Engine wear rates were established by building a Diesel and Gasoline Engine with fully inspected wear components and inspecting them after the test. In both Engines, the upper and lower main bearings, oil rings and compression rings were inspected. In the Diesel Engine, the cam lobe profile and cylinders were also inspected, while the piston pin bushings, piston pins and cylinder liners of the Gasoline engine were inspected.



The total test duration was eight hours. To accelerate wear, 50 grams of AC Fine Test Dust was added, in slurry form, to the crank case every hour.



Diesel Engine wear tests were performed using filters with high efficiency ratings for particle sizes: 40 Microns, 8. 5 Microns and 7 Microns.



Gasoline Engines wear tests were performed using filters with high efficiency ratings for particle sizes of the following sizes: 40 Microns, 30 Microns and 15 Microns.



ANALYSIS



The researchers found clearances in the Diesel and Gasoline Engines varied between 2 and 22 Microns during engine operations. That means particles in the 2 to 22 Micron size range are most likely to damage Engine parts. Particles smaller than 2 Microns will slip through the clearances without damaging bearing surfaces.



CONLUSIONS



The researchers drew the following conclusions:



Abrasive Engine wear can be substantially reduced with an increase in single pass efficiency. Compared to a 40-Micron filter, Engine wear was reduced by 50 percent with 30-Micron filtration. Likewise, wear was reduced by 70 percent with 15-Micron filtration.



Controlling the abrasive contaminants in the range of 2 to 22 Microns in the lube oil is necessary for controlling Engine wear, and “The Micron rating of a filter as established in a single pass efficiency type test, does an excellent job indicating the filter’s ability to remove abrasive particles in the Engine lube oil system.



The smallest particles most popular “full Flow” filters capture with high efficiency are sized 25 to 40 Microns, depending on the filter brand.



Wayne

 

[HRDROKN]

Controlling the abrasive contaminants in the range of 2 to 22 Microns in the lube oil is necessary for controlling Engine wear, and “The Micron rating of a filter as established in a single pass efficiency type test, does an excellent job indicating the filter’s ability to remove abrasive particles in the Engine lube oil system.



The smallest particles most popular “full Flow” filters capture with high efficiency are sized 25 to 40 Microns, depending on the filter brand.

Ah... . So our first pass filters are not even removing the the necessary contaminates in the 2 - 22 micron range that cause engine wear



Bypass filtration doesn't resolve the first pass issue... Oil pump picks it up at the bottom of the pan (were most abrasive particle accumulate) and sends it through your filter. What your filter doesn't catch (<22 microns) goes through engine.



I have talked with a couple techs and have not been able to come across any data that would indicate a 1 micron filter would filter out zinc or long chain VI's.

 

[amsoilman]

Bypass filtration doesn't resolve the first pass issue... Oil pump picks it up at the bottom of the pan (where most abrasive particles accumulate) and sends it through your filter. What your filter doesn't catch (<22 microns) goes through engine.

I've been in many engines, and I have never seen an oil pickup tube at the bottom of the oil pan!



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[HRDROKN]

I've been in many engines, and I have never seen an oil pickup tube at the bottom of the oil pan!

So what would you say the velocity is underneath the pickup? Enough to stir up what has settled?





What about what is held in suspension? 50/50 chance of going through first pass filtration/bypass filtration or 75/25 first pass/bypass?