Best with TST: VA 3.1 or BDDL?

[TexasCat.]

I am wanting to get the best stack combo for the TST. I am really wanting more on the bottom end. I have read good things about both of these, but wanted some feedback on what others have discovered. Is there anyone who has possibly tried both to these? Any information is appreciated.



thanks

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

VA or BDDL

Try a PM to Gympsyman,. . he runs both with his TST. He'll know.

 

[JCleary]

I am wanting to get the best stack combo for the TST. I am really wanting more on the bottom end. I have read good things about both of these, but wanted some feedback on what others have discovered. Is there anyone who has possibly tried both to these? Any information is appreciated.



thanks

I can't say how the VA stacks with the TST, but I've read about several members liking it. The VA is all low end, so it may or may not have a smooth transition (in relation to where the TST comes in). The TST ramps fueling from 12 to 28-30psi, so depending on where you are in the rev range, it may not make a smooth transition.



I dynoed with my TST/BDDL stack and got the numbers in my sig. I used the TST on 7x7 and the BDDL on tow. It runs really well like that. In fact, the BDDL is a good smooth power adder, and though I'm disappointed I cannot get a Crazy Larry for my truck, it seems the best stack is the tow mode. I let the TST do the rest. Smooth power, any time.



Now I have the "early twins" flash on my TST. It's not so smoky by itself until you turn it up too high, but put the BDDL on tow and look out! Smoke city. Gotta be a little careful sometimes. It's a whole lot of fun, though.

 

[BILLUA]

TST Stack

I also feel that the best stack with the TST is The bully dog. I like the bottom end power that it has and it matches perfectly with the TST fueling curve...



I will add that I have had ecm codes at various times with different combos of boxes. They stemmed from the eliminated turbo boost sensor. With that said, I am currently not having any problems and I now stack with a Edge EZ. The power of course is not as strong as the BDDL, but I just don't want to mess with the ECM code now that I am not having any issues. .



I am in no way implying that my problems stemmed from the BDDL, quite the contrary, I loved the stack, but the 05 ecm code is a picky son of a gun...



Maybe in a while I will stack with the BDDL again...



DTT trans coming this weekend

 

[MegaBOMB]

I couldn't tell you how they stack with the TST... .



But I can tell you that the VA3. 1 makes a horrible stack with the Superchips Flashpaq. It totally killed my bottom end on my '05 when compared to just the Flashpaq alone, which suprised me as it's know for it's bottom end.



If you just want a fuel box to go with the TST the MP-8 seems to be a very popular choice. Otherwise the BDDL or Flashpaq have a really great bottom end along with a great top end. For what it's worth here's a dyno of the Flashpaq:



http://www.superchips.com/~superchips/prod_imgs/makepdf-619.pdf

 

[TexasCat.]

stack

Thanks for the help guys. I was really leaning toward the BDDL buy I read that it is easier for the dealer to trace when they put the computer to it. I know my warranty is most likely gone, due to the stuff that I have done. But if something did go wrong, I would still pull my tst off and let them look at it anyway.



I am not sure which I am going to use. I want good results for the dollar. As would everybody else. The edge EZ would not be bad, but I read where it is more of a top end stack, and my goal is to get it on the bottom. EGT's are a factor for me as well, not quite sure what to do with that though.



thanks for the help guys

 

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

TST w/ VAc3.1 stack

I can't say how the VA stacks with the TST, but I've read about several members liking it. The VA is all low end, so it may or may not have a smooth transition (in relation to where the TST comes in). The TST ramps fueling from 12 to 28-30psi, so depending on where you are in the rev range, it may not make a smooth transition.



I dynoed with my TST/BDDL stack and got the numbers in my sig. I used the TST on 7x7 and the BDDL on tow. It runs really well like that. In fact, the BDDL is a good smooth power adder, and though I'm disappointed I cannot get a Crazy Larry for my truck, it seems the best stack is the tow mode. I let the TST do the rest. Smooth power, any time.



Now I have the "early twins" flash on my TST. It's not so smoky by itself until you turn it up too high, but put the BDDL on tow and look out! Smoke city. Gotta be a little careful sometimes. It's a whole lot of fun, though.

I know Gypsyman runs that stack. You might PM him or maybe he'll see this thread. He also suns his BDDL on tow. He ran a 640 something recently at Piers so I'd call that a happy combo.

 

[JCleary]

If you just want a fuel box to go with the TST the MP-8 seems to be a very popular choice.

The MP-8/Ramifier is a great combo with the TST. I run that box as well. Less smoky than the Bully Dog, unless you crank it up all the way.



One of the nice features about the Ramifier (besides its infinite adjustability) is the fact that they will reprogram your module to stack with the TST.



I have not received mine back yet from TS, but I'm anxiously awaiting the UPS man! I can't wait to see what the difference is between the stock program and the TST program.



Additionally, the Ramifier is advertised as a 100hp box. It made 112hp on my truck over stock.



Bully Dog advertises 113hp gain for my truck, but it doesn't feel like much more than about 60% on the Ramifier. I haven't dynoed the BDDL alone.



I'd say the Ramifier spanks the Bully Dog, at least for the early 3rd gens.

 

[SLJolley]

I would stack the MP-8 with the TST. Alot of people use this and it works very nicely. The C3. 1 also stacks well but isn't going to give you as much power. The BDDL is a good product but isn't as good for the stack as the MP-8.

 

[Gypsyman]

Hey guys. Sorry I didn't catch this one sooner. I've been busting my hump trying to get a new business off the ground here in Spokane.



As you guys know, I prefer to get a little power from everywhere and have control of what I'm changing. The VA alone is not impressive but I love it for stacking because it's easy on the rail and the in-cab switch has actual settings that are repeatable when the best combo is found. I haven't run the TS products but I believe that the knob is just a rotary with out actual stops or clicks. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that.



With that said, I would start with the PP for bottom end. The Tow setting seems pretty strong and in combination with my little 40 hp F-1 injectors Tow alone put down 360 hp and 780 tq. I turned the VA on 100% and it jumped up to 447 hp and 900 tq. This makes for a sweet driving and towing combo.



Remember that every modification has a compound effect and with a little power coming from everywhere you can have a great driving truck without tearing anything up or having to worry about high rail pressures. For the longevity of the truck I wouldn't recommend adding pressure on any PP setting above Tow. It may run awesome for a while but your REALLY pushing the limits of the rail relief valve.



Richard

 

[Mark Craig]

TexasCat. ,



The TS MP8 has consistently been the best stacing overall for most all products. We have sent a lot of them out for most any stack combination you can imagine and it has worked out 100% so far.



Mark @ DPPI

 

[jwilliams3]

Bully Dog.

 

[jglasgow]

I agree with jwilliams3,

John

 

[TexasCat.]

stack

Thanks guys for the info.

Seems that the TS MP8 might be the way to go, or possibly the bddl. I guess I just need to make up my mind and give one a try huh?



we will see

 

[jwilliams3]

I have stacked the Ramifier/MP8 with the TST, EZ with TST and Bully Dog with TST.



By far the best bottom end is the BullyDog Downloader on 90hp setting with the TST.

Infact once loaded to that setting most dont ever change it AGAIN.

 

[JCleary]

Thanks guys for the info.

Seems that the TS MP8 might be the way to go, or possibly the bddl. I guess I just need to make up my mind and give one a try huh?



we will see

The MP-8 has a few advantages:



-It's a plug and play unit, easily removed so as not to "interfere" with the dealer's diagnostic equipment. (translation, it's hard to trace)



-It's infinitely adjustable on the fly, without pulling out the downloader, plugging it in, changing settings, and putting it back.



-It will not leave a "footprint" on your ECM



-On the SO/HO trucks, the MP-8 spanks the downloader in perfomance.



-The MP-8 can be had with a custom program to stack with the TST should you want the king of power adders.



If I had to do it again, I would have skipped the downloader. At least until the Smarty comes out.



On edit:



I see you have an '05, so the performance is closer than the SO/HO trucks. But it still will be detectable by a dealer, especially if you have a grey key.