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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Bigger tires - how accurate did the stealership make your speedometer?

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I just replaced my factory 265's with 315's and called the dealership to see if they could recalibrate my PCM. They said "no problem, it'll take about a half hour and run ya $32. 50". Well, when I took my truck in, they said it couldn't be done :rolleyes:. Then they started messing with it and after a half hour or so said "we're still trying some things, it's gonna run you at least $65". They ended up having to call the training department, who told them how to set the revolutions per mile, yadda yadda yadda. After 1 1/2 hours, they finally said my truck was done and calibrated. Only charged me $32. 50... right then I shoulda known something was up. When I left, my speedometer still didn't seem right. The next day, my 60 mile round trip to work showed up as about 53 miles. This morning I checked my trip odometer against the mile markers on the turnpike, and for every mile I traveled, it showed 0. 9. I'm pretty sure the speedometer is off too, since it was reading under 70 the whole way to work and I was still on time ;).



I think tomorrow I'm gonna go in there with a chart of both driveshaft and wheel revolutions per mile for the calculated diameters of the factory tires and the 315's, and possibly for the measured diameter of the 315's too. Without letting them touch anything without me watching, I'm gonna look over their shoulders while they show me what the revolutions per mile are set to. Then when I see that nothing has changed, I'm gonna talk to the manager, tell him that if he checks his records, I've spent over $60k there in the past 2 years, and will own a viper by 30. And ask him if he wants to lose a customer like that over dishonesty with a $30 service. If nothing else, I better at least get my money back (to take to another dealership). Hopefully they'll fix it right, for free. Maybe if I talk to the manager in the showroom, in front of alotta customers, he'll give me a free set of nerf bars to make things right ;)



Anyway, anyone else who's had their PCM recalibrated, how close did they get it? mine's off by about 10%, and from what I can tell is still using the factory programming
 
I'd sure like to hear more about your adventures at the stealership... . the local idiots in my backyard said they can't reflash anything larger than 285 75R 16's... . please share more info about your findings.



William
 
I believe the above is correct they can only go up to 265 or 285. There are aftermarket boxes out there that can do it. I think one of them is Abbott. You might try calling Ricksons I am pretty sure they have some info on it on there web site.
 
Been there, done that. First, the dealer cannot program the PCM to make it accurate with your tire size. Chrysler will only allow the calibration within the tire sizes sold by them. If they are selling the 315’s now, you cool; else you’re out of luck as far as the dealer is concerned. You have several choices, two if you want the speedometer to read correctly. Abbot box (2 wheel ABS unless modified) or the Superlift TruSpeed Sensor Calibrator - 98 up Dodge 4WH ABS. There are a bunch of threads on both. I opted for the TruSpeed. It wasn’t hard to install and the calibration is about as close as anyone could expect. Washington state mile marker are real good and I quit checking after about 160 miles of freeway/highway driving once I had it fine tuned. The instructions were excellent. Do a search and you will find all the info you need.
 
I would leave it where it is set at! think about it... you log less miles with bigger tires... so what if the speedo is off?? get a GPS, and check speed that way. That's what I would do.....



-Chris-
 
well I get paid by the mile when I travel for work :)



The TruSpeed and similar products... do they make the odometer read right too, or just the speedometer? I hate to spend another $175ish after paying the dealer $32. 50 for basically nothing, but I don't wanna do math in my head either :)
 
I went to my local dealer to ask about correcting my speedo error, since it has the tire upgrade from 245 to 265, and on the road tests show my speedo and odometer to be off accordingly - the tech seemed VERY vague and confused about correcting it - so rather than have them screw something up, I'm just living with it for the time being...



From your experience, sounds like I made the right choice... ;) :D
 
jrusko... yes the Truspeed unit works for both MPH and odometer.



I have the Truspeed and did so after being informed by Dodge boneheads that 285 size tires were the limit.

Thats why I was interested in your initial thread and what your boneheads were saying to you.



You'll find several threads on the Truspeed unit perhaps doing a search will provide the confidence you need for the investment. I belive you'll find the Truspeed to be an excellent correction device

Four Wheel Drive Wearhouse has them for less than what you indicated.



William
 
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Originally posted by WTBurke

jrusko... yes the Truspeed unit works for both MPH and odometer.



I have the Truspeed and did so after being informed by Dodge boneheads that 285 size tires were the limit.



William



I just went from 265's to 285's and tried to have the dealer update the PCM. The biggest tire the computer would allow were 265's. I was looking at the computer with the tech, so I know he's not BSing me. The computer essentially allows you to specify the number of revs/mile anf the smallest was for a 265/75-16 (647 revs/mile?)
 
Have your speed checked before just taking it in for a recalibration. Just have your speed checked by a local law enforcement officer if possible. Couldn't get any cheaper than that.



I went from factory 245s to 265s, and found out my speedo was more accurate with the 265s than the original size. Different tire brands are different in sizes. Brand X in a larger size might be quite different than brand Y in that same size. Dodge had me putting on more miles than need be with the stock original tires.
 
Speedo with big tires

This just kills me to listen to this crap. I installed 285s on factory alloys cause I HATE see'in the tires and wheels sittin 4" outside the wheel wells. I Went from the dealer to tire store and back to the dealer in the same day. The service manager took his DRB-III out plugged into my truck, went into ABS controller and changed the Pinion factor. Took the truck to calibration shop and was off by 2 MPH. Reads 60 actually doing 62 MPH. I went back to dealer and asked the service manager what I owed. Jim laughed and said "That was customer service courtisey,have a good weekend" I must know the only decent service dept Dodge has. I wish you luck, it can be done! Just a lack-a-wanna on most Techs part I guess

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I tried the pinion factor, but it wouldn’t work or couldn’t be changed at the time with the dealer’s DBR tool (don’t remember the exact details). The dealer was willing to try it because I though it might make a difference. Then I think it was the service manager that explained that the rear end ratio doesn't make a difference. I went home and did some research. I found that the exciter ring in the differential is the same regardless of the rear end ratio. The exciter ring, that notched ring that creates the square wave through the sensor that is monitored by the CAB (Controller Antilock Brakes) and eventually passes the modified signal through the PCM to the speedometer/odometer, revolves one revolution for every revolution the tire makes. For speed, the criterion that is used to calculate speed and distance is the revolutions per mile. The ABS also needs the axle type, but I don’t have a clear idea what that is used for. Anyway, that’s what I was told and it made sense after looking at the manual. I don’t see how the pinion factor can make a difference in the speedometer after looking at the manual. But I would like to know if I missing something here.
 
I don't think the pinion change did anything.

P. s. I have a spreadsheet that will calculate speeds using tire sizes and gear ratios. (If you want to see what it looks like, it’s in with my truck pictures). When I plugged in 285 vs. 265 with everything else being equal, the difference at 60 MPH was 2 MPH. (59. 6 vs. 61. 8)
 
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I was looking over my Techs shoulder when he was setting mine. 265's are the largest the PCM allows. You actually set, I believe, it was the revoutions per mile, not 245's/265's/285's etc. Mine came from the factory with 265's and the PCM was set to it's Max.
 
so I'm correct in thinking they charged me to do nothing? I'll prolly end up buying the TruSpeed, just wonderin if I should go have a nice friendly chat with the dealer...
 
Originally posted by jrusko

so I'm correct in thinking they charged me to do nothing? I'll prolly end up buying the TruSpeed, just wonderin if I should go have a nice friendly chat with the dealer...



I would! And I wouldn't leave without a check for at least $32. 50 in my hand. Seems like that would just be good customer service.



I've seen the Truspeed installed and it's a nice way to fix the calibration. It can be installed then tucked up under the dash out of sight once it's calibrated.



I went from 265's to 295's and didn't do anything. From what I could tell, my odo was off 10% (on the high side!) before the tire swap, so I'm leaving mine alone and letting the miles go on at a slower pace. My commute to work used to be 27 miles one way, now it's 23 (saves me 40 miles per week on going to work and back alone). Maybe once I feel that the odo actually reflects the correct mileage on the truck I'll invest in a Truspeed. For now I drive ~4-5 indicated mph over the speed limit and realize that I'm ~9-10 actual mph over.
 
So, I understand that you can select a different axle from the one you really have, then you can put in non-standard values. Amanthias seems to have the skinny on that. My tech wasn't as swift as his I guess, or maybe that tricky. :p Of course, now you have to find someone willing to spend the time and experiment. Good luck! And don't hold yer breath:-laf
 
Originally posted by WTBurke

You'll find several threads on the Truspeed unit perhaps doing a search will provide the confidence you need for the investment. I belive you'll find the Truspeed to be an excellent correction device

Four Wheel Drive Wearhouse has them for less than what you indicated.



William



Does 4WD Warehouse have a website or do you have a number for them? I did a search and couldn't find much of anything
 
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