Blackstone tour and sample

[shorthorn]

Great to see you all using Blackstone for UOA's! I had done so on my '05 and was constantly chastized on another forum for not maximizing the oil life by their resident oil nazi :-laf

 

[tony1461571]

What do I need to do to use Blackstone? Will be my first time using them.

 

[gsbrockman]

What do I need to do to use Blackstone? Will be my first time using them.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free-test-kits.php

 

[tony1461571]

Thanks that's what I needed.

 

[zetatre]

I just sent them a sample of SuperTech 15W-40 with 4,600 miles on. Mine's a 2012 that if you leave it up to the EVIC requires 3 gallons of new oil every other month... Seems a little excessive so I'm looking forward for some data... I'll make sure I share.

PS: the Fumoto valve makes oil sampling so incredibly easy that it's a capital offence not doing it. You can sample the oil, see what the analysis is and if needed you drain and fill otherwise you keep on trucking... No brainer...

PS2: it has always intrigued me the association of potassium in the oil with the EGR system. The reason is that potassium chloride is often used a flux in gas welding of aluminum which is what the EGR cooler is made of. Left over could leach into the exhaust stream recirculated in the engine. There is obviously also the possibliy of leaks in the EGR cooler that allows coolant to pass through but that would also have higher readings of sodium which is also used in the coolant.

 

[Cummins12V98]

You are supposed to let the oil drain for a while before taking the sample, as in a few seconds before it stops dripping.

 

[SnoKing]

My NAPA kit said half way through the drain. Snoking

 

[zetatre]

With the Fumoto valve, what I do is sampling once I get home from work. I probably let it sit 15 minutes so it's not scorching hot. I take an empty gallon bottle and fill it up, than sample the Blackstone container. The gallon of oil is dumped back in the engine if I'm not doing an oil change.

 

[Cummins12V98]

My NAPA kit said half way through the drain. Snoking

Yes that is true. Very best way to sample is to remove the 1/8" pipe plug on the top of the fuel filter housing and screw in a fitting that has a barbed hose end then slip over a rubber hose long enough to put into oil fill hole. Start engine and let it run for a couple minutes to clean out any impurities of the hose. Then pull hose and place into sample bottle until its full stick hose back in hole and shut off engine then replace plug. This allows for a test then determine if you should run the oil any longer.

 

[Newsa]

Yes that is true. Very best way to sample is to remove the 1/8" pipe plug on the top of the fuel filter housing and screw in a fitting that has a barbed hose end then slip over a rubber hose long enough to put into oil fill hole. Start engine and let it run for a couple minutes to clean out any impurities of the hose. Then pull hose and place into sample bottle until its full stick hose back in hole and shut off engine then replace plug.

Do you mean oil filter housing or oil filter mount?
That's where i tap into the oil lube system for my amsoil bypass. However, to put any type of fittimg there you have to worry about a coolant line that crosses over the top of the filter mount. *Very little room to work because an elbow will not be able to be screwed in because of a lack of lateral room. And there is very little room above it too. There are 2 plugs there. *One was impossible to tap into with an elbow. The other, I had to remove the coolant line. It looks easy/simple until you try to do it.

 

[gsbrockman]

That would be interesting to see your results with you working your truck and having that many miles.

You might just be happy to know that I changed the oil, oil filter, air filter, and both fuel filters yesterday----AND I ACTUALLY REMEMBERED TO SAVE SOME FOR A SAMPLE!!!

It's 5W40 Rotella T6 with 12,284 miles and 241 drive hours of use. The truck is currently at 149,304 miles, 2,799 drive hours, and 236 idle hours.

The only thing different is I started using Donaldson DBL7349 oil filters at my last oil change.....I wonder if the DBL7349 will reflect anything different with this sample????

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/2...about-donaldson-oil-filters.html#post22397577

Donaldson filters flow better and filter down to a better micron rating.

Wix 57620 30µ @ 95%, 20µ @ 50% Cellulose 12-15 GPM
Wix 57620XE 25µ @ 95%, 14µ @ 50% Glass Enhanced Cellulose 12-15 GPM
Fleetguard LF3972 30µ @ 95% (35µ @ 98.7% last info) Cellulose 8.72 GPM
Fleetguard LF16035 30µ @ 100% (25µ @ 98.7% last info) Stratapore Synthetic 8.72 GPM
Donaldson ELF/DBL7349 20µ @ 100%, 15µ @ 98.7%, 7µ @ 59.97% Nanofiber Synthetic 20 GPM

 

[R_Walter]

Great Idea!!! Then I should buy stock on AMZ/OIL!

Great idea on the stock pick! I think Bernie Madoff used to specialize in companies like Amzoil.

 

[zetatre]

Here's the report: 4% fuel dilution but no signs of it affecting wear. SuperTec at 10 bucks per gallon seems to be doing just fine.

I'll go ahead and change oil over the weekend. I have another Stratapore filter I'll use; I'll do another sampling after 5K miles to have a good baseline. I'll then try one of those fancy Venturi filters see what that does to wear.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Here's the report: 4% fuel dilution but no signs of it affecting wear. SuperTec at 10 bucks per gallon seems to be doing just fine.

I'll go ahead and change oil over the weekend. I have another Stratapore filter I'll use; I'll do another sampling after 5K miles to have a good baseline. I'll then try one of those fancy Venturi filters see what that does to wear.

What year is your truck. Fill in your signature it will help.

 

[zetatre]

What year is your truck. Fill in your signature it will help.

I'll do that. For the time being is a 2012 2500 all stock.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I'll do that. For the time being is a 2012 2500 all stock.

Cool!

My late 11 had less than .05% fuel dilution when the oil was sampled. I am no expert but I would test again for sure to see if it increases.

 

[Newsa]

Here's the report: 4% fuel dilution but no signs of it affecting wear. SuperTec at 10 bucks per gallon seems to be doing just fine.

I'll go ahead and change oil over the weekend. I have another Stratapore filter I'll use; I'll do another sampling after 5K miles to have a good baseline. I'll then try one of those fancy Venturi filters see what that does to wear.

SuperTech at Walmart and CARQUEST at Advance Auto are both on the Recommended list for MACK heavy duty trucks. There is a long list of approved oils on their Tech Bulletin that is about 5-6 pages long. I believe they are both made by Warren Oil Company. Although there may be some switch off of companies underbidding (or regional availability) each other, they are made by major oil companies that have quality control procedures in place.

3-4% fuel dilution might be what I am seeing. But probably due to the multiple regens. I plan to get it out on the highway this month though. 2000-2500 mile trip.

Wife doesn't want to pull a trailer, though. So we'll see how it does.

Might get around to doing my first oil analysis this summer.

 

[zetatre]

I'll share something I learned about fuel dilution.

Although fuel dilution is normally associated with reduction in oil viscosity, that is not really the biger issue.

The bigger issue is the degradation of the additive package which is particularly severe with the biodiesel blends.

A lot of the additive packages such as friction modifier and anti-wear additives are made up of polar molecules. Turns out that biodiesel, namely the fatty acid methyl esters (FAME) is also comprised of polar molecules. Petrodiesel as well as renewable diesel (hydrotreated vegetable oil) are generally non polar.

As a result when biodiesel comes into contact with the oil it interfere with the additive package.

What makes the matter worse is that biodiesel has a higher distillation temperature than petrodiesel and HVO. As a result when the post injection takes place the portion that doesn't evaporates and wets the cylinder walls has a higher concentration of biodiesel.

 

[Newsa]

I'll share something I learned about fuel dilution.

Although fuel dilution is normally associated with reduction in oil viscosity, that is not really the biger issue.

The bigger issue is the degradation of the additive package which is particularly severe with the biodiesel blends.

A lot of the additive packages such as friction modifier and anti-wear additives are made up of polar molecules. Turns out that biodiesel, namely the fatty acid methyl esters (FAME) is also comprised of polar molecules. Petrodiesel as well as renewable diesel (hydrotreated vegetable oil) are generally non polar.

As a result when biodiesel comes into contact with the oil it interfere with the additive package.

What makes the matter worse is that biodiesel has a higher distillation temperature than petrodiesel and HVO. As a result when the post injection takes place the portion that doesn't evaporates and wets the cylinder walls has a higher concentration of biodiesel.

All true. And the Biodiesel doesn't evaporate as fast from the hot oil allowing it to mix with and ultimately thin the oil.

 

[zetatre]

Provided that oil temperature can varies wildly across it's journey from sump to engine and back depending on what surfaces it touches as a general statement oil never gets hot enough for any diesel fuel to evaporate. Also whenever things get hot, they are also under pressure which further increases the distillation remperature. Distillation temperature is simply too high.

Here's a chart
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You see that there's almost 100F difference in distillation temperature between FAME and HVO. I find this relevant since I've only being filling up Propel HPR with very rare exceptions where I'm away from SD and I need to fill up.