Blowing oil

[Wertles]

To clear some things up, the rusted out oil pan was very obvious where it was coming through. Since then (600 miles), neither I or the dealer has added any oil. The oil level this morning is halfway in the safe zone. All lines going to and from the turbo are clean. The origin of the leak is from the drivers side. Everything in front of the breather tube is clean as a whisle. From that point back, the oil pan, especially the back 4 bolts, and the frame, transmission pan etc, are covered in oil. It is not ATF, there is no red and the transmission fluid level is unchanged.

I am going to take the truck back to the dealer again tomorrow. I am starting to get a little frustrated as I need this truck to be reliable for another 2 years before I upgrade. Just seems that everytime I get one thing taken care of, something else pops up with this truck. Sorry, had to vent for a minute. I appreciate everyone's help here.

 

[LBARTLETT]

does it leak when running at an idle of just when going down the road?



the same thing happened on my son's 6. 7, it was the plug where you can move the dipstick to another position, only leaked with highway driving



I don't know if the 5. 9 is the same or not

 

[AH64ID]

If the oil level hasn't changed either the oil isn't from the motor or it's not too much. It's possible they overfilled the crankcase.

Clean it, then drive it and see.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Here is a trick we use in aviation, get the pan/undercarriage all cleaned up. Then sprinkle, or throw, baby power on everything YOU HAD TO WORK ON A1 SKY RAIDERS TO KNOW THAT TRICK. :-laf

 

[TCDiesel]

Are You sure its oil... . Maybe its fuel... If its fuel mixing with the oil . . CP3 seals or injector(s)... My guess its fuel mixing with oil. . or the pan with poorly install.

 

[HBarlow]

Just ran across this. Sounds like the same problem as yours, Wertles.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/truck-911/232305-she-bleeds.html

 

[Wertles]

I cleaned everything up and drove it around yesterday. Still leaking. It might be coming out the breather but I am more and more convinced it was a poor install job of the oil pan. The rear 4 bolts are soaked and the timing of the leak starts right after the pan change. I am through with it though. It is going back to the dealer after work today.

 

[BIGNASTY]

"""It is going back to the dealer after work today"".

THEY DROVE IT UP YOUR BUTT ONCE AND YOUR TAKING IT BACK!!!! JMO if you would just curious how much is the return vist going to cost. Of course it wont be anything they did but they found it was something else. THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR Good luck in your quest

 

[mwilson]

I cleaned everything up and drove it around yesterday. Still leaking. It might be coming out the breather but I am more and more convinced it was a poor install job of the oil pan. The rear 4 bolts are soaked and the timing of the leak starts right after the pan change. I am through with it though. It is going back to the dealer after work today.

It is a tight job to change a pan and gasket in one of these trucks at best, if they were not careful it is possible they pushed a section of the pan gasket in beyond the bolt holes while attaching the sump support towards the rear.

One should use tacky Permatex or something similar and wait for it to dry to assure the gasket will stay stuck to the pan while installing.

If they were flying around working flat rate I highly doubt they bothered to wait for anything to stick.



They should be able to go around the perimeter of the pan flange using a mirror to see if the gasket is visible all the way around.



That would the first thing I would do if I crawled under it given your description of the leak.



Edit... . This is possible also... ... . they got the pan in over the front axle, put the sump back up and THEN decided that the gasket should have put in first. Maybe they tried a splice... ... ...



Mike.

 

[Nyoest]

"""It is going back to the dealer after work today"".

THEY DROVE IT UP YOUR BUTT ONCE AND YOUR TAKING IT BACK!!!! JMO if you would just curious how much is the return vist going to cost. Of course it wont be anything they did but they found it was something else. THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR Good luck in your quest

So if you buy a tv at walmart get it home and it doesn't work you should'nt take it back?



Same thing here, he paid to get it repaired and that should cover it. If they start trying to charge more then you can tell them about your costly down time and ask who to submit the bill to. Last ditch effort though.



Give them a chance to correct the situation. If they can't or won't then you can shop for a new repair shop.

 

[Wertles]

I had the foresight to buy the Chrysler Max Care extended warrenty when I bought my truck so all the repairs to my truck have never cost me more than my $50 deductible (brakes excluded of course). I have always been treated well by this service department and have never felt the need to go anywhere else, yet. Especially when the dealer is the only one who will honor the warranty IIRC. When the pan was replaced, they asked if there was anything else going on and I just noted that the steering was "feeling a little funny. " When I picked the truck up, they had done the entire 08 steering upgrade for no additional cost. They have always done things like that for me. They called today, they say the oil is coming from the main rear seal and the pan so the seal and gasket will be there tomorrow and I should have the truck back early next week. I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Even I have a bad day once in a while#@$%! and can totally screw things up.

 

[BIGNASTY]

So if you buy a tv at walmart get it home and it doesn't work you should'nt take it back?



Same thing here, he paid to get it repaired and that should cover it. If they start trying to charge more then you can tell them about your costly down time and ask who to submit the bill to. Last ditch effort though.



Give them a chance to correct the situation. If they can't or won't then you can shop for a new repair shop.

No if I buy a TV at wally world and it wont work I take it back and get my money back !!!!! I wont get into the costly down time I PM ed someone and I wont say any more to cause bad feeling ,Put it this way there are VERY FEW people that I let work on my equipment because of this very thing. Yes people do have bad days but when I worked I really couldn't have any. If you F up with a truck full of GAS it's either going to cost you and everybody for a few blocks around a little more than OPP'S or it's going to cost the company that I worked for hundreds of thousands of dollars. How many screw ups do you think that would take before your dead or unemployed. I guess im just a little livid about people doing their jobs HALF A**ED AND PULLING THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR A** it started working on aircraft and had two buddies that trusted a 18 year old kid to THINK while I did something on their plane. That's what's wrong with the craftsmenship of American prod. today OPPPPPP'S O WELL LET ME TRY AGAIN

 

[TCDiesel]

No if I buy a TV at wally world and it wont work I take it back and get my money back !!!!! I wont get into the costly down time I PM ed someone and I wont say any more to cause bad feeling ,Put it this way there are VERY FEW people that I let work on my equipment because of this very thing. Yes people do have bad days but when I worked I really couldn't have any. If you F up with a truck full of GAS it's either going to cost you and everybody for a few blocks around a little more than OPP'S or it's going to cost the company that I worked for hundreds of thousands of dollars. How many screw ups do you think that would take before your dead or unemployed. I guess im just a little livid about people doing their jobs HALF A**ED AND PULLING THEIR HEAD OUT OF THEIR A** it started working on aircraft and had two buddies that trusted a 18 year old kid to THINK while I did something on their plane. That's what's wrong with the craftsmenship of American prod. today OPPPPPP'S O WELL LET ME TRY AGAIN

X2... Chrysler Dealer(s) WILL NEVER lose 1 Penny on any owners behalf... they are ALWAYS forced to do repairs when they will lose any means of capital... If Americans build on what they could do for there fellow Man. . and make a modest Profit. . instead of HOW MUCH Money They are making 70% of all problems would be solved instantly.

 

[rscurtis]

I doubt it's the seal and the pan. The two are completely unrelated. The only way a rear main seal will leak that much oil is if it's pyhsically removed from the engine.

 

[TCDiesel]

I doubt it's the seal and the pan. The two are completely unrelated. The only way a rear main seal will leak that much oil is if it's pyhsically removed from the engine.

You beat Me to it... ... :-laf

 

[mwilson]

Some service writer doesn't understand that the seal is driven into the block on the Cummins, instead of half into the pan like a gasoline V-8.



Probably banking on rolling it into place like an older 350 Chevy rear main seal.



They will all understand when they get it back into the shop... ... ..... :-laf



Mike.

 

[BIGNASTY]

X2... Chrysler Dealer(s) WILL NEVER lose 1 Penny on any owners behalf... they are ALWAYS forced to do repairs when they will lose any means of capital... If Americans build on what they could do for there fellow Man. . and make a modest Profit. . instead of HOW MUCH Money They are making 70% of all problems would be solved instantly.

I hope this is just bringing light to the question dealer or independent. I prefer the independent (1) they are in business because they can do the job rite (2) their business depends on service (3) if they have returns I dont care if they ever get it after 4 times people dont want to keep coming back to get it done and the business fails. Dealers on the other hand dont care because they dont have to. There are enough people out there that take it to the dealer no matter what and that's their choice. Example how long do you think that DTT / Garmon / Gorend would be in business if they couldnt get it done fast and with VERY FEW problems. Yes they all have problems but the dealers I have been to well never mind. What is shop time today $60. 00 $70. 00 and hour hell I give a try if you pay me that much and when I cant get it the first time bring it back ill give it a shot agin. The 2 or 3 Mechanics on this site must care because they have an interest in the site and to help others and are just as capable as any other maybe more I dont know. It boils down to personal experience TJMO Im sure that I would take it to the dealership If I could have BOB4x4 work on it because the times that we have talked on site and I see the post's he and the others that I think are Mech. care. By the way BOB can you come up to MT to do some work :-laf just kidding. I think it's more than just a job to some.

 

[Wertles]

I don't think it is the rear seal either, but before this leak occurred, I did have a VERY slow leak which this could be the culprit. Looking at the garage floor today, I see a few drops on the floor that were not there last year but nothing to write home about. I am more and more convinced that this leak is from the oil pan where someone screwed up on the install. Thanks to you guys, I now know where mistakes could have been made. I would love to find a good independent shop but unfortunately the warranty thing will bring me back to the dealer for at least another 4 months. As I have stated before, this is the first time I have ever been disappointed with the service I have received. I hope the mechanic is not in a hurry to finish this up this time.

 

[HBarlow]

A very small leak at the rear main bearing/crankshaft seal is pretty common on Cummins engines with miles. That is definitely not your problem.

 

[Bob4x4]

Another leak source to check is the cam seal

A hi likelihood if you are seeing blowing oil

With out excessive blow by