Blown engine & denied warranty, NO MODS

[Diesel Nut]

I know hind sights are 20/20, but it really makes you think about taking oil anylasis a little more seriously. I know I will be checking mine regularly anyhow, but I should be able to see the silica content going up before it munches itself.

BTW- Yes I think this is total BS on DC's part.

 

[steved]

I talked with a fellow owner with an 04 HO (not a 600) I met in Oklahoma that towed hotshot for a living... he told me that he had went through EIGHT different versions of the stock airbox on his (then) new HO, because it kept sucking the filter into the intake tube... all were a different configuration... his intake was completely different from that in my 04. 5 600... and it was factory.



I can see the filter gasket around my box also, and IMHO that's good... you can "inspect" the seal to ensure it is tight fitting. And the box on my 600 is tight, it smooshes (is that really a word??) the seal down tight... it is a pain to just get the "hinge" side to engage, then to fold it down to lock it...



I have noticed BIG DIFFERENCES between brands of filters... I have a Wix gold in right now, it seals tight and is very similar to the OEM filter (short the prefilter gauze)... the K&N I had (on my 99) WOULD NOT SEAL because it was loose... the reason they sent the sealing grease... the Amsoil Foam filter I had was also a very tight fit... the reason they don't seal might be due to a cheap/poorly made filter... remember the whole Fram thing with the oil filters... maybe it's not just oil filters...



steved

 

[sag2]

Skneeland

There are several hundred thousand trucks built each year using that filter box. If they were so bad, we would have many hundreds of people on this board with dusted engines. Also, if this truck in question has a poorly designed filter box that is allowing dirt past the seal, we need photos of it. That would be very helpful to us that have not had a problem to know what to look for.

 

[MCummings]

I know for a fact, Ford Motor Company does not worry itself about denying warantee over "dusted" motors, or turbo's.



I do not understand how it is the customers responsibility to make sure the OE parts are working how they were intended to work. Once you snap an air filter in, that's it. You shouldn't be required to get an oil analysis, you shouldn't have to do the "white glove" test to your intake. It's the manufactures responsibility to make sure the factory part operates as designed. That is what a warantee is for! To make sure the customer is financially protected when a OE part flat out fails, or fails to do it's job.





This is like saying,, too bad about your blown motor, you should have checked the oil cooler more often so you would have known it was getting clogged.



Although us as a group are very savvy about our vehicles, fleet trucks, and commercially owned truck operators don't give a mouse butt about anything under the hood.





Is, or Is Not the factory airbox performing it's job? !



It is not the owner's fault if it is not!





Keep the comments comin' guys.





Merrick

 

[DPKetchum]

Was it installed correctly? Seen many not installed right side up and use to see Caravans with the plastic air boxes BROKEN due to some yahoo not following instructions on how to open correctly. Got to be more to it.

 

[boydo]

There is no Warranty if you Dust your engine, EVEN using nothing but Mopar Parts changed at the recomemded service interval by Dodge mechanics. Thats what this post is about. I went to a Proguard 7 #2 just so this dosen't happen to me like it has 2 people I know. I used to run my 05 just as the maintaince log required, when people started dusting there engines around here I had a look in my truck and found dust in my intake that some how managed to get past a totally stock air box and filter - They are NOT GOOD FOR THE INTENDED USE..... If your a city driver your fine I'm sure, but If you use the truck as a truck and drive offroad and on gravel lots - BEWARE. This problem of dusting is only affecting oilfield servcice trucks here, trucks that spend most there life offroad. We are in truck country here, this town of 100,000 people is driven by the patch and I'm sure that there has been more dodge owners been @#$%&* over in our city alone.

 

[steved]

There is no Warranty if you Dust your engine, EVEN using nothing but Mopar Parts changed at the recomemded service interval by Dodge mechanics. Thats what this post is about. I went to a Proguard 7 #2 just so this dosen't happen to me like it has 2 people I know. I used to run my 05 just as the maintaince log required, when people started dusting there engines around here I had a look in my truck and found dust in my intake that some how managed to get past a totally stock air box and filter - They are NOT GOOD FOR THE INTENDED USE..... If your a city driver your fine I'm sure, but If you use the truck as a truck and drive offroad and on gravel lots - BEWARE. This problem of dusting is only affecting oilfield servcice trucks here, trucks that spend most there life offroad. We are in truck country here, this town of 100,000 people is driven by the patch and I'm sure that there has been more dodge owners been @#$%&* over in our city alone.

That sounds more like a filter issue than the airbox possibly?? Maybe the media isn't doing the job it needs to be??



steved

 

[SKneeland]

That sounds more like a filter issue than the airbox possibly?? Maybe the media isn't doing the job it needs to be??



steved

i cant speak for all, but on some i have inspected there is a telltale dust trail across the oem filter seal up into the intake

 

[john3976]

That sounds more like a filter issue than the airbox possibly?? Maybe the media isn't doing the job it needs to be??



steved

Back in the early 80's, I was working for a Dodge dealership, me and the shop foreman went to a class that Dodge was putting on as they were just coming out with fuel injected engines.



The class was being held at a Tampa Dodge dealer, they had a Dodge Daytona I think it was in the shop that the Tampa Dealer could not figure out the problem as it would run way to rich.



Having seen this several times I had a simple cure for it, but the Chrysler rep went through his speech of how Chrysler had designed things and how they had an air filter that would capture 70% more dirt then a filter from the aftermarket.



At the start of working on this car I told the class my opinion on what was wrong and the Chrysler rep blew it off so we spent the next three hours going through every test you could and when all the test were done the car still ran to rich.



At this point the Chrysler rep looked at me and told one of the Tampa shop mechanics to go to the parts department and get the part I had told him about at the beginning.



The guy goes up and gets an air filter, replaces the one in the car and low and behold the rich running condition was cured.



The Chrysler rep was rubbing his head and admitted that maybe Chrysler made a filter that was just to restrictive when a little bit of dirt got into it.



The filter that was removed did not look like it was dirty i. e. you would have looked at it and decided not to changed it.



The point is you can't get to restrictive on the media or you will run into other problems.

 

[steved]

Back in the early 80's, I was working for a Dodge dealership, me and the shop foreman went to a class that Dodge was putting on as they were just coming out with fuel injected engines.



The class was being held at a Tampa Dodge dealer, they had a Dodge Daytona I think it was in the shop that the Tampa Dealer could not figure out the problem as it would run way to rich.



Having seen this several times I had a simple cure for it, but the Chrysler rep went through his speech of how Chrysler had designed things and how they had an air filter that would capture 70% more dirt then a filter from the aftermarket.



At the start of working on this car I told the class my opinion on what was wrong and the Chrysler rep blew it off so we spent the next three hours going through every test you could and when all the test were done the car still ran to rich.



At this point the Chrysler rep looked at me and told one of the Tampa shop mechanics to go to the parts department and get the part I had told him about at the beginning.



The guy goes up and gets an air filter, replaces the one in the car and low and behold the rich running condition was cured.



The Chrysler rep was rubbing his head and admitted that maybe Chrysler made a filter that was just to restrictive when a little bit of dirt got into it.



The filter that was removed did not look like it was dirty i. e. you would have looked at it and decided not to changed it.



The point is you can't get to restrictive on the media or you will run into other problems.

That's nice, but the factory filter would suck the filterminder in on my truck when new... what I was getting at is maybe the filter media was, as to no better anology, K&N-like, or too course to catch the junk it should have been... and just the opposite of your findings... I understand it is a balancing act... restrict flow or capture dirt... hmmm...



Guess I'll do the "white glove test" on mine tonight and see if anything is getting by... might step back and reconsider using the Amsoil (oiled foam) filter again... I know it sealed and allowed NO DIRT past.



steved

 

[steved]

i cant speak for all, but on some i have inspected there is a telltale dust trail across the oem filter seal up into the intake

Maybe the "default fix" would be to grease the filter seal... I oftened wondered if that latch mechanism worked... you hinge on one side, then squeeze the filter seal... it will sometimes almost "bow" the top of the filter housing... maybe the "bowing" is what is causing a poor seal??? Of course, this type of box has been used since when?? 1994?? But I remember my 99 having a few more "catches" on it too...



I am also running a 03 filter housing on my 04. 5... I swisscheesed the 03 box... still have the 04. 5 box to slap back in if needed... I got a 97 filter box too... might compare them to see what, if any, difference there is...



steved

 

[PKitzman]

A $10 oil analysis is cheap insurance and piece of mind...

 

[steved]

A $10 oil analysis is cheap insurance and piece of mind...

Umm, and by the time you get the sample back, your engine could be toast... oil analysis isn't the answer for everything and I wish people would realize this... finding a remedy to the problem is the only long term solution.



steved

 

[MCummings]

A $10 oil analysis is cheap insurance and piece of mind...

Ok, you are using the OE box, and OE filters, and your oil analysis are coming back with high dirt content. What do you do?



Merrick

 

[DieselFiend]

The air filter box on my 02 cummins was huge compared to this dinky piece of crap I've got on my 05. I've got a k&N in it now and when I pour on the coals I can litterally hear it sucking air into the box. Almost like there's not enough open space going into the air box.

 

[steved]

The air filter box on my 02 cummins was huge compared to this dinky piece of crap I've got on my 05. I've got a k&N in it now and when I pour on the coals I can litterally hear it sucking air into the box. Almost like there's not enough open space going into the air box.

True... the filter for the "higher" HP rated truck has gotten smaller in surface areas too... mine was about 2 inches narrower and 1 inch shorter than that of my 99 CTD...



I still got to go and look, but you are right, it might be a restrcition that is causing the air to fibd an alternate "path" into the intake... I swiss-cheesed mine... I'll go look and see what it looks like, but I have not seen any indication of "dirt tracking" on the seal of the filter...



steved