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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Blue Chip FMS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

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Let me start off...



South Bend's clutches are the awesome.



I have agreed to start selling the Blue Chip FMS and their other products.



Let me tell you why... . LOOOONG story!



I got to talking with Robert and Chip from Blue Chip on Saturday at Muncie. They claimed that their box was awesome so I told them to prove it at the track. They agreed.



I got to the track late on Sunday due to some technical issues w/my nitrous. I got in about 11:30 and went right over to Robert to get the box. He and I had it roughed in, in about 10 min. I went down the track on test-n-tune. I was disappointed. I thought something was wrong. I went back down on #2 only. Ran 15. 34. Still not right. I dialed a 14. 4 for the brackets and ran 16. 8. Still bummed... and getting more so.



Peter(SBC) took a ride in my truck on Saturday. The clutch did not slip at all and I punished it thoroughly:D:D



It turns out the clutch was slipping. This is a credit to the SBC Con FE. the tach did not run away like an organic clutch. Having not experienced this before it took me by suprise. The FMS and the nitrous had the ConFE runnin scared.



I got to hunting through the data stored in the FMS and the Clutch started to slip at about 450hp on the juice and later at 440hp on #2. The clutch is reseating itself and I'm now able to hook up about 480hp on #2 only.



I gained 50hp over a PE Drag Comp!!!!!!! I dynoed at 434hp last week on #2 only(43lbs boost)... . loosing hp to the drug pusher injectors. I was able to see 48-9psi of boost on sunday night. WOW:--) :--)



The FMS always gets a bad wrap... It does not do timing. It only does fuel. It relies on an external box similar to an Edge EZ to do timing. It can be used with any box that does not tap the wire to do the timing... . So if you have an EZ the FMS is a great idea.



The Blue Chip FMS is decidedly hotter and better tuned to very large injectors than the PE Comp. It will run with any injectors. The adjustabilty is phenomenal. I can't list it all here. call(918 521 8666), PM or e-mail(see sig) for more details.



a short list... . 0-63% fuel, Smoke level(4), Fuel timing(when the fuel ehancement starts), Dispay parameters(what gets displayed and how), Max EGT defueling (with a disable).

It stores... .

Max EGT@rpm, Max boost @RPM. . very useful info.



It has very accurate Boost and EGT gauges built in that use the factory MAP sensor and a std thermocouple (included). There is a hobbs switch for the fuel system that will tell if you have ever droppped below 2-4psi of fuel and alerts you so you don't have to watch a gauge.



There's more but this is getting too long. . ask, comment etc
 
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I would buy it in a heartbeat if they made a remote mounting kit that had a display that fit into a 2 1/16 guage pod. I just don't want that ugly thing sitting on the dash cluttering it up. Must say that there isn't anything that compares when it come to features. :)
 
Chip,

I used to think the same thing. The display is too big for a gauge though. after you get it you'll change your mind.



I took my gauge pod off the dash and will be putting a pillar gauge set in. the only one I really need now is a FP gauge. the EGT and Boost are on the box.



Later,

Mark
 
Even something that was molded to the dash that looked almost factory would be fine. I guess it wouldn't be so bad if it was offered in different colors... . blue really clashes with Flame Red. How about a red box to go with a red truck. Oh well, at least black. :)



Oh no... listen to me try to find a way to justify another fueling box when I am still running the HY turbo. Repeat after me... turbo next... turbo next... turbo next... turbo next. :D
 
Yes it does. The pressure sensor is basically a pressure switch.

Having that, you could live without a gauge. I just want to know how much FP I have not just that I have enough.



Sorry for the confusion.
 
Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

I gained 50hp over a PE Drag Comp!!!!!!! I dynoed at 434hp last week on #2 only(43lbs boost)... . loosing hp to the drug pusher injectors. I was able to see 48-9psi of boost on sunday night.



The FMS always gets a bad wrap... It does not do timing. It only does fuel. It relies on an external box similar to an Edge EZ to do timing. It can be used with any box that does not tap the wire to do the timing... . So if you have an EZ the FMS is a great idea.



Just curious where do you get this 50hp gain from? On the dyno? Or just guessing from the boost change? Bout time y ou got some real boost tho :D



What happened to the 500 - 550hp you claimed to have?





The Bluechip stuff doesn't get a bad rap, its right there with the Edge and TST stuff..... usually all three are mentioned together. If I can get around to it sometime this fall I will run a FMS back to back with my COMP for a direct comparision. A reason many people go for the COMP is because its the best bang for the buck. The Bluechip is over $900... Comp under $700.
 
Features cost money, 200 is pretty cheap for gauges. Bang for the buck when products are compared in blanket statements needs to be apples to apples.
 
Originally posted by LSMITH

Features cost money, 200 is pretty cheap for gauges. Bang for the buck when products are compared in blanket statements needs to be apples to apples.



If you wanna look at it like that, then you get a free EZ with your COMP... . that costs $$$ too.



I didn't single out the features I just said box to box.



If someone were to put any of the major boxes on their truck I sure hope they already have gauges.
 
Mark left out my favorite feature which I feel is worth the money. The FMS defuels smoothly at the temperature you preset. This has saved me several times when pulling the fifth wheel over hills with the cruise contol on. Returning from low altitude to high I was able to make small adjustments in fueling to keep the EGT's in check so the unit would not have to defuel on every hill. Now if I could figure out what all the noise is coming from the six speed at 1600 RPM I would be happy.

Rick T.
 
I know that Jim Fuller (CMNNTSTRKN) did the same test and had the opposite result. Did you dyno the two side by side or are you going of the boost? Boost doesn't always mean power.



PS. what do you have on the truck to make 480hp?

I have DD injectors, Comp, HX40 and got 516hp. If the FMS box is make the difference that you say, are those ATS injectors tiny or what?
 
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I talked with the guys at FMS at muncie last weekend as well. I like their setup, but hate that huge box. I discussed how the interals were inside the box and if the front panel could be detached and ran via a cable. The answer is yes. You will just have to build a custom wiring harness that is less than 2 1/2 feet and then you can locate the front panel where ever you want it. This is the route that I will be taking as I am going to build a custom guage cluster ontop of the dash if and when I ever get the time and money together.



Morph.
 
If you take a Comp off and add nothing but the FMS you are right, the HP is not there.



The FMS must be used with an external timing box to get the HP. According to Fuller's post the FMS made w/in 12hp without a timing box. the timing box from Blue Chip is worth 50-60hp then add the HP gained from the FMS. And yes they are addative. I asked that specifically last weekend.



Kat,

I ended up loosing some power to the injectors with the comp. They were too big for the way the comp fuels.

the FMS seems to run them much better. I was unable to run on 5/5 for more than short bursts because it caused a miss. the FMS does not have this problem and gained me 6# of boost.



Stefan,

The ATS injectors are HUGE bigger than anything DD sells and probably bigger than their race injectors. They are big enough that I loose some hp that I could get w/smaller injectors. They are meant for drugs. I run a B1 which flows a good bit more than your HX40.

Kurt and I have done lots of testing and to date with a B1 on an ETH and no drugs/propane boost*10=hp (+/- 10hp)
 
Originally posted by Morphious

I talked with the guys at FMS at muncie last weekend as well. I like their setup, but hate that huge box. I discussed how the interals were inside the box and if the front panel could be detached and ran via a cable. The answer is yes. You will just have to build a custom wiring harness that is less than 2 1/2 feet and then you can locate the front panel where ever you want it. This is the route that I will be taking as I am going to build a custom guage cluster ontop of the dash if and when I ever get the time and money together.



Morph.



I had a three gauge pod on the dash that I took off. The FMS is much smaller than it so I can't complain.



I will be putting a 3 gauge pillar in though.
 
Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

Kat,

I ended up loosing some power to the injectors with the comp. They were too big for the way the comp fuels.

the FMS seems to run them much better. I was unable to run on 5/5 for more than short bursts because it caused a miss. the FMS does not have this problem and gained me 6# of boost.



Stefan,

The ATS injectors are HUGE bigger than anything DD sells and probably bigger than their race injectors. They are big enough that I loose some hp that I could get w/smaller injectors. They are meant for drugs. I run a B1 which flows a good bit more than your HX40.

Kurt and I have done lots of testing and to date with a B1 on an ETH and no drugs/propane boost*10=hp (+/- 10hp)



I was just curious cuz a while back you seemed pretty sure you had 500+ hp..... and I believe it was mentioned you might be a bit optomistic about the injectors and their power... without the proper airflow to match. Just an observation.





Um thats a pretty bold statement about injectors. I wouldn't be so sure that you have HUGE bigger injectors over anything DD has..... you haven't seen their drug pushers³ have you? :D When the time comes I'll get a set for my nitrous application. At what point is the VP44 not able to supply enough fuel to the showerheads? Thats one of the very attractive reasons o goto the P7100 pump.



If your gonna sell the Bluechip stuff please look over the vendor part of the guidelines.....



I'll try to do this comparision someday, but the price of a new premuim Bluebox is a bit much to just play around with.
 
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