Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Blue Chip FMS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

If you take a Comp off and add nothing but the FMS you are right, the HP is not there.



The FMS must be used with an external timing box to get the HP. According to Fuller's post the FMS made w/in 12hp without a timing box. the timing box from Blue Chip is worth 50-60hp then add the HP gained from the FMS. And yes they are addative. I asked that specifically last weekend.



Kat,

I ended up loosing some power to the injectors with the comp. They were too big for the way the comp fuels.

the FMS seems to run them much better. I was unable to run on 5/5 for more than short bursts because it caused a miss. the FMS does not have this problem and gained me 6# of boost.



Stefan,

The ATS injectors are HUGE bigger than anything DD sells and probably bigger than their race injectors. They are big enough that I loose some hp that I could get w/smaller injectors. They are meant for drugs. I run a B1 which flows a good bit more than your HX40.

Kurt and I have done lots of testing and to date with a B1 on an ETH and no drugs/propane boost*10=hp (+/- 10hp)

mark



when i did my testing the boost was off about 5psi with your formula. i didn't realize that you had spent that much time on the dyno sense you got your new parts.

at the 500hp level with a eth, with a timing box and fueling box the timing will only net around 10hp. feel free to do your own tests on the dyno, but i'm sure you will find the same thing.



as far as those injectors being much larger than anything else out there, i would say you have a long way to go before you even get close. i wish you luck it gets harder and harder to make power the higher you get.



i'm glad you like your fms box. but for me it seemed silly to buy 2 box's when 1 will do the same thing. most people already have guages so that's not a issue. besides it is a big bulky package.



jim

 

[Jetpilot]

Mark,



Not trying to start a war here I am also not flaming anyone but seems like alot has changed with your opinions on vedors.....



First it was DD was the best around, then you had an issue with their selling practices so you now don't like them.



Second was DTT, they were the best on earth but since you got some parts from ATS they now rule.



Now it is FMS over the Comp... . Heck just recently you were telling all to get the Comp.



Now I am not saying a person doesn't have the right to change their minds on things but it looks like a lot of things are being stated that have no real data to back it up. To say the FMS creates more power than the Comp without using a dyno and similiar atmosperic conditions is just not accurate! I have done many mods to my truck that changed boost levels but the HP level was not changed in the same manner. Also to say the injectors ATS has are bigger than anything DD sells again is not accurate unless you have taken the biggest DD makes and flow tested them against yours.



As for loosing HP with big injectors I have not seen it with my setup yet... . I keep going larger and larger and just get more smoke and HP! I find it hard to believe that the FMS box makes more HP than the Comp with injectors you say are designed to run on drugs... . If this is true and your injectors are too much for guys to run with a Comp without drugs it would seem to me that the FMS does not fuel to the same degree to Comp does.



I think it is good to post your findings but please try and honest and accurate. Go to a dyno and use both boxes with your setup and post the results. I am glad you are happy but try and give the most accurate info possible so the others basing their decisions on posts can get whats best for them.



Doug

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Kat,

I haven't decided on a name yet... sorta hard to put it in the sig.



I still have my Comp. If I don't sell it I will do a comparison on the dyno next time to get the results.



If I had gone with an injector near mentals I would have seen much better performance but not had near the jump w/the NOS.



Now with a beter fueling box I am seeing better response from the injectors. Chip explained that this is due to the speed of the reaction to triggers. The FMS does it faster and smoother. It's basically a better performing processor for a very similar algorithm. He went on to say that the adjustabilty is great but when it comes to what is acually done that all of the major fueling boxes are very similar in method.

 

[MJawsman]

I'd like to jump into this forum with a few points. First of all, I'm not biased towards any one product. Second my truck is stock... and I mean stock. I'm probably the only guy on here with a stock 2001 HO truck!



I am however considering the purchase of some type of power upgrade. The Blue Chip unit to me isn't all that big. Heck, radar detectors a few years ago were that large and nobody complained about them sitting on your dash! Second, I have yet to do gauges so the Blue Chip piece allows me to two things at once. And if you factor in the cost of gauges, it's price is comparable to the competition.



Mounting it shouldn't be too big of a deal. Get creative! There are plenty of pockets in our trucks, overhead consoles, etc. I was thinking about putting it vertically in my Geno's Cup Smoothie! It would be right under my fingers and stealth. Or what about in the overhead console? I don't have the dimensions on this item so maybe it won't fit. The point is I'm thinking outside the box, and I think that's what most of us do best.



As for whether or not I go with TST, Edge, or someone else's product, that remains to be seen. Certainly there are enough posts to read and everyone has an opinion. My goal is not to be a member of the "enhancement of the month" club. But I wanted to let you guys know that there are those of us out here who have done absolutely nothing to our trucks and are looking at making an informed decision. Thanks for listening.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by Jetpilot

Mark,



Not trying to start a war here I am also not flaming anyone but seems like alot has changed with your opinions on vedors.....



First it was DD was the best around, then you had an issue with their selling practices so you now don't like them.



Second was DTT, they were the best on earth but since you got some parts from ATS they now rule.



Now it is FMS over the Comp... . Heck just recently you were telling all to get the Comp.



Now I am not saying a person doesn't have the right to change their minds on things but it looks like a lot of things are being stated that have no real data to back it up. To say the FMS creates more power than the Comp without using a dyno and similiar atmosperic conditions is just not accurate! I have done many mods to my truck that changed boost levels but the HP level was not changed in the same manner. Also to say the injectors ATS has are bigger than anything DD sells again is not accurate unless you have taken the biggest DD makes and flow tested them against yours.



As for loosing HP with big injectors I have not seen it with my setup yet... . I keep going larger and larger and just get more smoke and HP! I find it hard to believe that the FMS box makes more HP than the Comp with injectors you say are designed to run on drugs... . If this is true and your injectors are too much for guys to run with a Comp without drugs it would seem to me that the FMS does not fuel to the same degree to Comp does.



I think it is good to post your findings but please try and honest and accurate. Go to a dyno and use both boxes with your setup and post the results. I am glad you are happy but try and give the most accurate info possible so the others basing their decisions on posts can get whats best for them.



Doug

You can question accuracy all you want but DONT EVER QUESTION MY HONESTY AGAIN!! It is not appropriate or called for. I make mistakes just like anyone else but I never lie.



I still think DD sell great injectors but I will buy none of their products because of their sales pratices. I told them so in person at May Madness.



I am working on a cam with ATS. I have seen the cam card on it, just like any other cam you buy for a gas engine.



I liked what I saw in DTT until Bill stepped off the deep end. Along the way I picked up a little more education on auto trannies. You'll notice that I stated in my earlier support of Bill that I never owned his product. ATS does have some great technology. If I go to an auto it will be theirs.



HiPerf360 has been telling me for a year that the FMS was the ticket. I didn't believe until I tried it.



As for the difference in hp. I'll take the Gtech to it in the next week. . back to back and we'll see.



It was explained to me that the FMS responds faster and possibly better to some of the data recieved from the engine. I know that the Comp never made more than ~43# of boost with these injectors and that the dyno in Tulsa read 435hp. I read off the max boost reading from the FMS sunday before I left... I believe it was 49. 3# of boost.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by MJawsman

There are plenty of pockets in our trucks, overhead consoles, etc. I was thinking about putting it vertically in my Geno's Cup Smoothie! It would be right under my fingers and stealth. Or what about in the overhead console? I don't have the dimensions on this item so maybe it won't fit.

One of the Blue Chip trucks at Muncie had a FMS mouted in the overhead console.

 

[Jetpilot]

Mark,



I am not questioning your honesty but rather your motives. Please do not read my post as calling anyone a lier this is not at all what was meant.



I think that doing some heads up testing is great, but a dyno is how to do it not with a G-tech. As for the boost #'s I know of one person who could see 60 lbs. boost with a B-1 on diesel but he was not getting 600 HP. I see around 56 lbs. boost on #2 but I do not have 560 HP. So I do not feel boost is a direct comparison to HP.



I am not going to defend vendors on this forum... . Each has its own product that should stand on its own feet. I am not a transmission guru but I do know that my transmission has been beat up on with over 750 HP and hasn't broke yet.



Doug

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Let's clear up my motives.



I agreed to sell the Blue chip FMS only after I was shown it's performance.



I asked Peter if I could sell SB Clutches yesterday only after being shown their performance and his superb customer service.



I do recieve some help on technical issues and parts from ATS. But I do it only because I believe they are good people and they have good products. I consider them friends and an excellent vendor.



I would never tell anyone anything that I believed to be wrong when it comes to trucks. I live the rest of my life to the same standard. . mostly



FWIW,

Mark

 

[DEZLPWR]

Uh oh....

Why do I sense that this thread is going to turn into a Comp vs. FMS thread a la the wonderfully entertaining transmission wars... .



I do love my Comp box though! (No desire for the FMS or any other box):-laf :-laf





Hey Kat, shouldn't this be moved to the Product & Accessories forum where all the other pi$$ing matches have taken place??

 

[Bob Wagner]

If every Member becomes a Vendor....

where's the customer base?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Leave it to Bob!!

 

[RustyJC]

Re: If every Member becomes a Vendor....

Originally posted by Bob Wagner

If every member becomes a vendor, where's the customer base?

Bob,



Excellent point. Ummm... . wanna buy some OEM electrically adjustable, heated non-towing mirrors? How 'bout a stock airbox?



It reminds me of the comments made by the mayor of a major Montana city that was caught up in the oil boom of the late 1970's with an influx of oil field service businesses. When asked by a reporter what he thought of the phenomenal growth in his city's economic base due to the booming service economy, he replied "It scares me to death. All we're doing here is washing each other's underwear!"



Rusty

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Chip told me there was a lack of Blue Chip vendors in N TX and S OK and asked If i'd like to sell them. I liked the product enough I said I'd try.



I'm here telling about it because I liked it a lot and am stoked about the appearant power gains. If I sell a few, great. if not, oh well. I wasn't selling them last week so I didn't loose a thing.



I would sell Edge products too. they are good stuff and they are cheaper. I like the Blue Chip FMS better.



It seems to me that the best part about the TDR is the abundace of ideas and testimonials about a myriad of products.



Take my opinion or leave it.



Later,

Mark

 

[Rob Thomas]

May as well throw another one to the wolves!

I'd like to take a moment to talk-up my TST POWERMAX COMP BOX!



I love it! I don't get any sputterin' or spittin', just raw power!



TST is GREAT PEOPLE! Customer service is outstanding, He!! I'd buy a truck from them, if they sold 'em!



Also, my TST CLUTCH holds the power!





All-right felles, dig-in.



Later, Rob

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

I still think DD sell great injectors but I will buy none of their products because of their sales pratices. I told them so in person at May Madness.

Hmmm. I asked around the office and no one remembers talking to you or anyone else about why we don't sell the cam outright. Who did you tell in person?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

MJawsman,

The pictures you asked for... .



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[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by KLockliear





Hmmm. I asked around the office and no one remembers talking to you or anyone else about why we don't sell the cam outright. Who did you tell in person?

I told you at the drag strip. I also talked to you guys on the phone about it a couple of months prior.



to paraphrase. . you don't trust your customers not to copy your cam.

 

[KLockliear]

I don't remember you talking to me at the drag strip. You knew back when you first called that we weren't going to sell it outright - so what was the point?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

The point was... . When I called the first time I had just spent about 5K on my truck and the reason you told me that you wouldn't sell me a cam was you didn't trust anyone not to copy your cam.



I'm not going to write anyone a $2500 check that doesn't trust me to own the product.



At the strip I introduced myself and ...

you: "You're the guy that's mad because we won't sell you a cam, Right?"

me:"Yep, won't buy anything else from you over it either!"

you:walked off.



This is way off topic.

 

[Cummins4Life]

DOH Box Wars...

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I can live with those looks, its really not too bad. I'm stock and dont have gauges yet either so thats another plus in my book, but that is alot o money. Oo.