Boat Installation

[LakeTrash]

I just bought Cummins out of an 02 Dodge.



I am going to install it in my Warlock to replace the two 300hp outboards. Looking for reliability.



I have everything worked out except for the wiring. I have the stock computer and everthing from under the hood. Hard to believe I need all that wiring to make it run.



Has anybody been down this road? Any input will be appreciated.



Thanks

Dennis

 

[mnorbeck]

Marine hookup for computer engines

I too had trouble getting wrecking yard 99 ctd to run. Books all say Dodge power train module needs to be hooked up to get engine to run and charging system to operate. Go to a Cummins dealer and request service bulletin that shows what has to be hookedup to run engine. I was lucky my snap-on man got this sheet for me from Cummins West. One of there techs had already repowered his chevy with 24 valve engine and had this info. It is quite simple to do with one ISO minirelay, one indicator light and two switches. One switch for Ign. one for cranking engine. I fruitlessly tried to get engine to run on pallet. I even obtained cummins fuel pump testing setup. Engine started right up with t his unit. So at least I knew I was not trying to start a dead injun. After wiring it up and seeing it run beautifully, I looked in book at wiring diagrams and found that the dodge powertrain control module simply controled the alternator field excitation. I promptly went to local pulland save auto dismantlers and obtained two Chrysler voltage regulators for Dodge LeBarons from 80s. These units control the ground circuit to alt field . All you have to do is power up one leg of field with ign. on and run other field wire to voltage reg. Very satisfying to see 14. 2 volts on Fluke meter with this setup. I plan on installing this engine in a 77 GMC work truck with 5 speed trans. The trans has absolutely no facility for speedo. I think I can come up with something in this day and age of electonics. I am curious aabout what speed you expect to obtain with this boat.

 

[KLockliear]

LT, is that you from the Barney board? If so, man you got lots of projects.



That Cummins can be upgraded to make about the same HP as the two (I assum 300x's) you are replacing, with lots more torque, but about double the weight too. Sounds like a neat project. Got a bud here in town that has a 30' Warlock with a pair of 565 Paul Pfaff motors N/A at 700hp... we talked about repowering it with a pair of 5. 9's too, although the P-pumped 96-98 motor would be choice due to almost no wiring requirements.

 

[LakeTrash]

Mnorbeck,

Would it be possible for you to fax that sheet?



I figured the easiest way around the alt. problem was to repace it with a single wire unit.



I am looking to run 60 - 70 top end. I am going to install it stock and see how it goes. I know another 100 hp is not too hard to get if needed. If that is not enough, I will install a second engine. Hope that is not required but if that is what it takes --



Keith,

Ya thats me and you are right about two many projects. I am hoping to have both boats running in 6 - 8 weeks. I have plenty of experience with 2 and four stroke gas engines as well as turbines - but I am a novice working with desiels. Any help will be greatly appreciated.



Dennis

 

[KLockliear]

If you need any performance advice, just give me a ring. BTW, I'm STV_Keith on the Barney/Hot Boat/LVHB/OP6/etc boards.

 

[mnorbeck]

wiring alternator

If your engine is equipped with an alternator it would be better to run it. Not that adapting others is that much hassle but why buy another? I can fax you the diagram next week at work if you want my e-mail address is -- email address removed --. Boy 70mph with diesel engine would be awsome considering fuel consumption on twin two stroke gas guzzlers. I only used one voltage reg. of course. because I thought I might smoke one in testing. You know the old saying about magic electronics, if you let the smoke out its done! I will have to draw diagram for alt. It is not covered by the cummins diagram. With this setup you unplug Dodge powertrain module and harness and wire your relay and ign. to a 14 pin and an 11 pin plug that goes to cummins computer on block. Very simple to do, diagram shows cummins responsibility and where it stops at plugs . user responsibility shows relay, indicator lite and ign. switch. What the diagram fails to show is one large diameter white with red tracer wire that must be hooked to fused batt. term all the time. I will id that wire for you. When I figured that out my engine didnt crank one rev and was running great.

 

[DKupfrian]

I'm jealous. I've considered doing this for a while. I posted a few years ago on this board to see if anyone had done it. I never found anyone who did it. The industry is starting to add Yanmars to performance boats and they are performing well. The Cummins is heavy but as long as you are not looking for top speed I think it will do well.



Also I'm curious what Barney board you are talking about?



You can find Warlock help out at my favorite boating site, offshoreonly dot com. They have a specific forum for Warlock. Lots of people post and lots of advice.



Keep us updated.

 

[LakeTrash]

Havasubarney.com



Another boating site with a bunch of fun lovers. A little looser than some others.



My Warlock is a 96 31' tunnel boat. The Warlock factory and OSO are not much help as I always seem to be the first one.



Originally rigged with twin T53 turbines and Arneson drives. 3000 hp was too much. The boat could not handle it - an death trap for sure.



Re rigged with a single turbine. Had to move the drive twice to get it right but it ended up real nice. 125+ top end and very stable.



Decided to try the outboards. Called the factory for set up info and they said we have been thinking of trying that. Let us know how it works out. Three mounting positions and three different set back dimentions and it worked pretty well. 80-85 top end but high fuel consumption at cruise.



Now it is time to try the Cummins. We shall see.



Dennis

 

[DKupfrian]

That is funny. You and I think alike. Ask my wife about the turbine kick I went on. Good thing I'm not rich or I'd be dead. I love putting plans together though. I was looking for a 27-30 foot boat that needed work as a project boat. I wanted to put in a single Cummins to see what kind of all day long cruise speed I could get out of it. Then I happened to see the turbine boat at Arneson's web site and that got me thinking... I just can't believe the sound those things make!



Diesels, V-8's, V twins, and turbines! If someone would make a sound machine to put by my bed with these sounds I would sleep like a baby!!!



Two questions:

Where are you located?

Any pictures posted anywhere? I'd love to see it with the different power plants.

 

[LakeTrash]

Shreveport, Louisiana

There are some pictures of the Warlock on Yahoo.



http://photos.yahoo.com/laketrash2001



Here it is as of today with the outboards off and the Arneson back on waiting for the Cummins.

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The turbine is sitting in the backround.



Our latest project is the restoration of a 1970 Ron Jones ET race boat. It is about 90% as of today.



The complete restoration is at



http://www.byuboyz.com



Click on projects in the list on the upper left. You will like this one if you like putting things together.



Howard Arneson is one of the nicest men I have ever met. He got me into the turbine game about 10 years ago. My first ride in the 40' Skater with the 2 GE T58's sold me. 170+ like riding in a Cadilac at 70 on the freeway. Howard is 82 years old and still going strong. My idol. I am taking two of my buddies to San Francisco on the 25th for a ride in his 46' Skater.



I will take pictures.



Dennis

 

[KLockliear]

So LT, how much power you working into that Cummins anyway?

 

[LakeTrash]

I am going to leave it stock for the first round. Hopefully it will run good enough.



It should make more power than in the truck as I will have a completely unrestricted exhaust. I will also use a water to air intercooler which should be more efficient.



Other than that I do not know crap about what to do next. You can be assured I will be asking for advice.



Dennis

 

[DKupfrian]

Any updates?



Saw your pictures on Yahoo. That was a very sad picture of your boat after the u-joint incident...

 

[MarkF]

send a link to the "u-joint incedent" you got me curious now.

 

[LakeTrash]

Progress is slow. I am having a time getting a transmission. I do not have room to run the stocker. Velvet drive makes a single speed 12" long that would be perfect. Only problem is it will hold the engine stock but would be a molten mass of crap if I add another 100 hp - which if history teaches me anything, I will do.



I have found a 2 speed unit - 16" long - designed for 500hp + diesels in a 50' Fountain. Looks like I will get one.



The ET project has taken up every spare bit of time. I lost a month with the clear coat. It really went bad. All is well now and the drive and engine are in and final rigging is taking place. Another week or two and then I can tun to the Warlock.



http://photos.yahoo.com/laketrash2001



has photos of the Warlock and some other past projects.



LT

 

[KLockliear]

Have you thought of a single Lenco unit? They can be used 1 gear at a time you know.

 

[LakeTrash]

Kieth,



That is a good thought. Had not crossed my mind. I will look into it.



I will be calling you for some performance help once I get it installed.



Thanks



Dennis

 

[KLockliear]

Heh, I knew you couldn't resist. BTW, saw the pics of the ET... that thing looks AWESOME!

 

[DKupfrian]

You might want to check out this project boat.



Twin sea tek 750hp diesels and trimmax surfase drives!

 

[LakeTrash]

transmission problem solved

A buddy from Florida found several of these, new but not installed, laying around a boat manufacturer. I had to buy two to get the fire sale price.



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It is made for diesel application with hp rated at 3300 input rpm.



It is a 2 speed with 1. 3 gear ratio. 6" of offset and 8 degrees down angle. The Arneson is direct mounted to the 13 degree transum so I can mount the motor at 5 degrees and it should line up just right.



I will have to wait for arrival to figure out the adaptor that will be required to bolt it to the Cummins.



Now I will already have a spare transmission ready in case one Cummins is not enough.



Progress - I love it.



LT