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When do you want them to break loose?
You should be able to by just standing on the brake, and standing on teh fuel pedal for a couple seconds, and the should light up.
Or,
Stand on the brake, and sand on the fuel, and when it feels like the truck really wants to start taking off, let go of the brake, and stay on the fuel,, that should help you remove some rubber off the rears.
Merrick
You should be able to by just standing on the brake, and standing on teh fuel pedal for a couple seconds, and the should light up.
Or,
Stand on the brake, and sand on the fuel, and when it feels like the truck really wants to start taking off, let go of the brake, and stay on the fuel,, that should help you remove some rubber off the rears.
Merrick
I KNOW, I KNOW...
... I'm not a 3rd gen guy. And I don't want to be a "thread mooch", but I've got the same question.
I've got no problem whatsoever breaking the back end loose, but my question is... what is the best way to do it? Merrick, I've seen some of your pictures... VERY NICE!! I've got a stick. So is the "preferred" method to do a power brake/ pop the clutch combo?
The reason I ask is two-fold. First off, I've got a set of stockers that I need to... um... remove from the rims.
I figure, what the hey?! Might as well have some fun doing it, right? BUT, the last time I did a smokey burn-out, I took it a bit too far... caught 2nd AND 3rd (still burnin'), and blew my rear diff. Needless to say, I don't want to repeat that $3000 mistake.
I'll be sure to test any pointers that you seasoned burn-out vets have to offer.
... I'm not a 3rd gen guy. And I don't want to be a "thread mooch", but I've got the same question.
I've got no problem whatsoever breaking the back end loose, but my question is... what is the best way to do it? Merrick, I've seen some of your pictures... VERY NICE!! I've got a stick. So is the "preferred" method to do a power brake/ pop the clutch combo?
The reason I ask is two-fold. First off, I've got a set of stockers that I need to... um... remove from the rims.
I figure, what the hey?! Might as well have some fun doing it, right? BUT, the last time I did a smokey burn-out, I took it a bit too far... caught 2nd AND 3rd (still burnin'), and blew my rear diff. Needless to say, I don't want to repeat that $3000 mistake. I'll be sure to test any pointers that you seasoned burn-out vets have to offer.
Re: I KNOW, I KNOW...
Thanks,, I wish those would have been some cheapo tires,, they were near new Michelins. :{ They made cool pics though
On my Big burnout pic, I actually put some oil down to get teh tires some wheel speed, then rolled off the oil and did the burnout on the pavement.
With my stock truck, I would run the motor to 3,500RPM, pop the clutch in 1st gear, and STAND on the brakes,, this worked really good the first time, then the 2nd time I broke all the spyder gears in teh rear end. The 3rd time, same result, so I figured that was a bad idea.
The last time I did the diff I had them build it very "tight",, that is the key to not burning up your diff when doing burnouts or donuts. You cannot have the tires turning different speeds. The left and right side must be turning the speed your speedo says.
If you are doing a burnout, unless it's an open diff,, and you experiance "one tire fire" syndrome, let off, 'cause you are cookin' your diff.
If you are doing a donut, and you see, that, as you come back around, one set of tire marks are noticeably darker and the other is very light,, and the rear of the truck does not feel like it's on ice,, let up, cause you are going to be servin' up a dish of well done cooked diff.
Change your differential/axle lube for some regualr stuff, and don't put ANY additive. I'm running all of about . 5 - 1 oz of modifier in my diff. (Modifier makes your diff slipperier,, not more grabby)
As far as a stick doing a burnout,,, make sure you are somewhere you can be alone, and won't get your butt busted for spinning donuts, and burnouts.
My recomendation is to rev it wayy up in 2nd gear, (~3,200) then dump the clutch with your wheelsturned all the way to your left, and once the truck goes around once, and you have very little forward momentum, start applying the brakes, and apply the brakes hard enough to keep the truck from moving, but not enough to start stopping the back tires. (You'll hear/feel it)
On my truck, at 457RWHP, I would rev it to 3,500 in 3rd gear, turned to the left (Left just seems to work better) dump the clutch (don't sidestep it), go around, and when the truck would spin around, and be sliding backwards a little, or would be still, I would hit the brakes.
The reason for that was, 1. My clutch wouldn't hold a dump, and then hitting the brakes (it would slip) 2. it's easier on the drievetrain because you don't have the brakes instantly trying to slow down the drivetrain you are trying to speed up.
My truck had enough power, and the right clutch to do 3rd gear donuts,, but I had to be turned all the way to the left, if I tried just taking off on a 3rd gear redline launch, I would usually burn through the clutch, but occasionally I'd either light up the tires, or bog the motor.
I wouldn't do this on a "sticky" surface, or with oversized tires unsless you have the drivetrain to match (bigger clutch, bigger input shaft, or bllet shafts in an Auto)
I was doing the burnouts/donuts in my dually with 245/75 tires, and that's about all she seemed to like. I tried a bigger tire for a little bit, but it was a little much, maybe you 2500 guys could get away with a bigger tire.
I would recomend practicing in the rain, or snow before trying it on dry pavement. You need to get used to the way the back end will swing around, and how the brakes will affect you.
Good luck, its a risky game, and parts get broken, but the cheers, applause and whistles afterwards usually make it worth it.
See you in Muncie,, I'll be the Dually doin' the burnouts. LOL
Merrick
EDIT:
I have a video of me doing a donut at night, but I don't have anybody to host it, so if you want it, you can e-mail me at -- email address removed -- it wil better show you the technique I am talking about.
Thanks,, I wish those would have been some cheapo tires,, they were near new Michelins. :{ They made cool pics though
On my Big burnout pic, I actually put some oil down to get teh tires some wheel speed, then rolled off the oil and did the burnout on the pavement.
With my stock truck, I would run the motor to 3,500RPM, pop the clutch in 1st gear, and STAND on the brakes,, this worked really good the first time, then the 2nd time I broke all the spyder gears in teh rear end. The 3rd time, same result, so I figured that was a bad idea.
The last time I did the diff I had them build it very "tight",, that is the key to not burning up your diff when doing burnouts or donuts. You cannot have the tires turning different speeds. The left and right side must be turning the speed your speedo says.
If you are doing a burnout, unless it's an open diff,, and you experiance "one tire fire" syndrome, let off, 'cause you are cookin' your diff.
If you are doing a donut, and you see, that, as you come back around, one set of tire marks are noticeably darker and the other is very light,, and the rear of the truck does not feel like it's on ice,, let up, cause you are going to be servin' up a dish of well done cooked diff.
Change your differential/axle lube for some regualr stuff, and don't put ANY additive. I'm running all of about . 5 - 1 oz of modifier in my diff. (Modifier makes your diff slipperier,, not more grabby)
As far as a stick doing a burnout,,, make sure you are somewhere you can be alone, and won't get your butt busted for spinning donuts, and burnouts.
My recomendation is to rev it wayy up in 2nd gear, (~3,200) then dump the clutch with your wheelsturned all the way to your left, and once the truck goes around once, and you have very little forward momentum, start applying the brakes, and apply the brakes hard enough to keep the truck from moving, but not enough to start stopping the back tires. (You'll hear/feel it)
On my truck, at 457RWHP, I would rev it to 3,500 in 3rd gear, turned to the left (Left just seems to work better) dump the clutch (don't sidestep it), go around, and when the truck would spin around, and be sliding backwards a little, or would be still, I would hit the brakes.
The reason for that was, 1. My clutch wouldn't hold a dump, and then hitting the brakes (it would slip) 2. it's easier on the drievetrain because you don't have the brakes instantly trying to slow down the drivetrain you are trying to speed up.
My truck had enough power, and the right clutch to do 3rd gear donuts,, but I had to be turned all the way to the left, if I tried just taking off on a 3rd gear redline launch, I would usually burn through the clutch, but occasionally I'd either light up the tires, or bog the motor.
I wouldn't do this on a "sticky" surface, or with oversized tires unsless you have the drivetrain to match (bigger clutch, bigger input shaft, or bllet shafts in an Auto)
I was doing the burnouts/donuts in my dually with 245/75 tires, and that's about all she seemed to like. I tried a bigger tire for a little bit, but it was a little much, maybe you 2500 guys could get away with a bigger tire.
I would recomend practicing in the rain, or snow before trying it on dry pavement. You need to get used to the way the back end will swing around, and how the brakes will affect you.
Good luck, its a risky game, and parts get broken, but the cheers, applause and whistles afterwards usually make it worth it.
See you in Muncie,, I'll be the Dually doin' the burnouts. LOL
Merrick
EDIT:
I have a video of me doing a donut at night, but I don't have anybody to host it, so if you want it, you can e-mail me at -- email address removed -- it wil better show you the technique I am talking about.
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HOLY CRAP! Class is in session! Thanks for the lesson, Dr. Burnout.
This is one test that I don't want to fail. So, if you've got the time... I could use some clarification. Apparently "popping" and "dumping" the clutch aren't the same thing? Is that true? What's the difference?
Here is what happened when I blew out my rear diff:
In first gear, I had the clutch all the way in and with my other foot held in the brake with my heel and smashed the go pedal up to about 3K RPM. I picked my foot up off of the clutch as fast as I could (is this "popping" or "dumping"?)... put it on the brake and pivoted my other foot completely onto the gas. Next, I shifted into 2nd, popped the clutch... shifted into 3rd, popped the clutch... then I finally quit. It was sweet until I got the repair bill
I'm runnin' 418HP out the back, got a 13 inch South Bend OFE, limited slip, and am planning this little escapade using stock tires/rims.
I can't wait for this "exam"... I'll shoot you an email to get a look at that video you are talking about. And on one final note... how in the heck did you get the back of your truck to squat so much lower then the front when you did your burnout? Torque? Thanks for the pointers (keep 'em coming if you think of any more)
Dave
This is one test that I don't want to fail. So, if you've got the time... I could use some clarification. Apparently "popping" and "dumping" the clutch aren't the same thing? Is that true? What's the difference?
Here is what happened when I blew out my rear diff:
In first gear, I had the clutch all the way in and with my other foot held in the brake with my heel and smashed the go pedal up to about 3K RPM. I picked my foot up off of the clutch as fast as I could (is this "popping" or "dumping"?)... put it on the brake and pivoted my other foot completely onto the gas. Next, I shifted into 2nd, popped the clutch... shifted into 3rd, popped the clutch... then I finally quit. It was sweet until I got the repair bill
I'm runnin' 418HP out the back, got a 13 inch South Bend OFE, limited slip, and am planning this little escapade using stock tires/rims.
I can't wait for this "exam"...
I'll shoot you an email to get a look at that video you are talking about. And on one final note... how in the heck did you get the back of your truck to squat so much lower then the front when you did your burnout? Torque? Thanks for the pointers (keep 'em coming if you think of any more)Dave
I would consider popping as, going from the floor to having your foot off the pedal as fast as you can,, closest thing possible to sidestepping.
"Dumping the clutch to me, would be to let the clutch out JUST A LITTLE to "load" the drivetrain so that everything is "tight" and won't suffer from backlash or anything of that sort, then let it out as fast as you can. The OFE doesn't take very kindly to slipping.
The burnout picture you are talking about is probably my 4x4 at the Big Dawg Dyno Day.
The reason it was squating so much was because with the slicks,, it really wanted to haul butt outta there, and spinning it's tires wasn't what it had in mind. It was on it's way to a sub 2. 0 60' if I would have stayed in it.
You should have mail. That's my 2wd 3500 6-speed I sent you, and my donut/burnout king.
Merrick
"Dumping the clutch to me, would be to let the clutch out JUST A LITTLE to "load" the drivetrain so that everything is "tight" and won't suffer from backlash or anything of that sort, then let it out as fast as you can. The OFE doesn't take very kindly to slipping.
The burnout picture you are talking about is probably my 4x4 at the Big Dawg Dyno Day.
The reason it was squating so much was because with the slicks,, it really wanted to haul butt outta there, and spinning it's tires wasn't what it had in mind. It was on it's way to a sub 2. 0 60' if I would have stayed in it.
You should have mail. That's my 2wd 3500 6-speed I sent you, and my donut/burnout king.
Merrick
My last ram was a 98 and I used it in the firestone burnout contest for route 66. I mounted a windshield washer resivor on the frame and had a momentary switch in the cab. I then mounted mister lines above the tires and filled the system with bleach. I smokes two brand new bfg mt's to the steel belts and dug down about 8" throught the pavement. Was awsome. It was also fun sitting at a light to fire the misters up and smoke the little rice rockets .
:--) :--) :--) That is quite possibly one of the coolest things that I have ever heard about. VERY expensive... but cool! So did you win the contest?
As a side note to anybody reading this thread... I HIGHLY recommend Merrick's burnout video (see above posts). I've already watched it like 10 times. It's some sweet tire-burnin' action!
I burned quite a few sets on my '01, and I must say that the stock Michelin LTXs make the prettiest smoke of any tire I ever had. They would get greasy, too, so after one burnout you could just stomp the pedal to the floor from a dead stop and they would light up and smoke all the way to the top of 4th gear.
I don't know, and/ro don't have anybody to host it for me right now, so you'll have to e-mail me telling me you want it.
-- email address removed -- for the video.
It is at night, so detail isn't that great,, if you know what I mean,, and I do have more video from that night,, but it's from in the cab.
Merrick
-- email address removed -- for the video.
It is at night, so detail isn't that great,, if you know what I mean,, and I do have more video from that night,, but it's from in the cab.
Merrick
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You guys that keep blowing up spider gears... this happened to me in my Jeep twice. I just can't resist the urge to do donuts. The second time the spiders shattered I just regeared and installed a Detroit. No problems since. The Detroit is much stronger than the stock spiders and carrier, and would probably let you burnout in your dooly to your hearts content without harming the diff. The extra 600 bucks or so for the locker would be worth it if you're paying standard labor prices to do your gears every time a spider is blown... not to mention the locker just kicks arse for traction! The only downside would be if you drive in the ice on a frequent basis...
The only downside would be if you drive in the ice on a frequent basis...breaking loose
Guys,
I started this thread cause I was wondering if something was wrong with my truck. I test drove one before I bought mine and burned em up by accident. I bought one 3 months ago and I can't break loose even when holding the break for a sec. mpg's suck too. Do you guys think something might be wrong with the truck? 2004 HO 48re( stock. ) for know>
Steve
Guys,
I started this thread cause I was wondering if something was wrong with my truck. I test drove one before I bought mine and burned em up by accident. I bought one 3 months ago and I can't break loose even when holding the break for a sec. mpg's suck too. Do you guys think something might be wrong with the truck? 2004 HO 48re( stock. ) for know>
Steve
burnouts
yhe best way iI have found to get the tires turning fast is to go in reverse up to about 10 mph, shift into 3rd and load the clutch to remove any slack floor it and dump the clutch. On asphalt with stock tires will get about 200' with EZ on 4 it will go about 300' and leave the marks for about 9 months+
yhe best way iI have found to get the tires turning fast is to go in reverse up to about 10 mph, shift into 3rd and load the clutch to remove any slack floor it and dump the clutch. On asphalt with stock tires will get about 200' with EZ on 4 it will go about 300' and leave the marks for about 9 months+
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