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Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Bucking and Throttle Return Spring Update

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I asked Piers what causes the bucking I have observed three times in the last 18 months when towing with my 97 automatic. He thought the problem was probably throttle return springs. I searched the TDR site and found:



http://216.235.147.117/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28253&highlight=throttle+return+springs



There is a 1997 TSB, TSB 18-29-97A, that is for bucking with 5 speed transmissions. The TSB costs about $200 and has revised throttle arm and springs. Apparently when you bomb an automatic, you can also get conditions of low rpm (1200-1500 rpm) and light throttle with TC lockup that can initiate throttle oscillation and bucking as observed with the 5 speeds.



Issue 18, page 22, of the TDR has an article on bucking and changing the throttle return springs to cure it. I went to the dealer and found that the part numbers for heavier throttle return springs has changed in the last 5 years.



The current number for 94-96 vehicles is 4874476. This is a double spring, one spring inside the second spring. This double spring replaces the original single throttle return spring. The new spring is about $3.



The 97-98 12 valve engines have two side-by-side throttle return springs. The TDR issue 18 article called out replacement of the throttle return spring toward the outside of the engine/pump. The curent part number for the outside spring is 5003737AA and about $30. 00. The current part number for the inside spring is 4883996AA and about $5. 00.



The inside spring appears the same as the two original springs The expensive outer replacement spring is larger diameter wire and coil and appears to be about 3 times as stiff as the original spring.



I replaced both springs on my 97 and found the inside spring had been stretched out about 3/8 inch (since original installation?). After installation the accelerator pedal pressure appears to be 2-3 times higher than before. Hopefully this will prevent any future bucking.
 
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For the people having these bucking problems, do you have the AFC housing full forward? I started having the same problems when i put new AFC springs and injectors in. I was just wondering if sliding the AFC housing back just a little (to about 3/4) will help this. Also i am almost getting full power at 1/4 thottle (this happened after i put in the 4K GSK). And it i go past 1/4, it doesn't help much.
 
My bucking problem was intermittant. Only 3 times in 1. 5 years while towing. Could not reproduce the bucking or make it happen on command. Have not towed since changing the springs. It appears that the 5 speed trucks have this problem much more.



Has anybody with a 5 speed cured their bucking problems with heavier throttle springs only and not the $200 linkage TSB fix?
 
My truck had the "bucking" before upgrades and the throttle spring seemed to do the trick. Then I started to add power devices and the killer was the 3K governor springs. I turned the retainers in the same number of clicks as the OEM and it would buck like a crazy horse. Piers said to back off the retainers till it stopped. So I backed off 2 clicks and still had to install the spring sold at all auto parts stores to get it to stop. It always happened in the 3rd to 4th shift. I don't want to removed the GS so now when it happens I just lessen the pressure on the go petal and get into it again. I installed new Bilstein shocks and have not towed with them as of yet. I just believe those will help the tendency for the rear to hop up and down. I'm also going to back off the position of the AFC housing and plate to lessen the power and see if that dosen't help.



Really the only time I have been successful in stopping it is to have the petal so stiff I almost could not control the amount of pressure from the foot. Bad on the ankle.



This has been my experience with the bucking.



. . Preston. .
 
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