Buddy lost a motor, bad oil filter ........ $12,000 fix!!

[Prairie Dog]

Not sure what diff it makes if valvoline is on the list for filters. If they made one for our eng that came apart and caused damage, then Valvoline is liable.

 

[MoparBob]

Just reading about this makes me mad. 12K is outrageous!!!



Blacksheep... outstanding offer! I'm curious... what it be worthwhile to tow the truck to your location? Might be cheaper...

 

[steved]

Donaldson has been used on the Cummins Engines in the "off-Road & Heavy Duty" community for years!



Wayne

amsoilman

That doesn't mean they are approved by DC...



steved

 

[sag2]

If the filter media came apart the particles plug the oil jets that cool the pistons. Loose the jets and the piston that lost the oil burns up fairly quickly depending on the load. The earlier trucks lost plenty of motors because the jet was much smaller and plugged easier, hence the approved filter list. DC covered many of them as long as the dealer returned the engine with the filter attached. Cummins then went after the filter manufacturer to get their money back.

 

[JHardwick]

$12K for a short block :--) :--)

Now remember, thats a new short block installed, but it still sounds steep and I sure wish BlackSheep coulda helped out, cause I do like this guy somewhat :-laf .



He does one Alaska trip a year and it usually pays pretty good. It takes 6 months or so to schedule what amounts usually to military guys relocating in/out of Alaska and needing their horse/horses moved as well. We move horses all over the lower 48, sometimes at the drop of a dime, but this is the biggy and now it's all for not.

 

[AMink]

I remember checking at a quick lube place once when I first got my truck. They didn't have diesel rated oil, CF-4 or CG-4. Have done it myself since. I wonder if they just used plain oil?

 

[JHardwick]

I agree with you guys, you get what you pay for with those quick lube places ... ... ... makes you wonder what they used for oil

I pointed that out as well AMink.

 

[amsoilman]

This list of approved oil filters came from Cummins several years ago! It was brought about due to "neoprene" components failing and "possibly" causing engine damage.



Here is a document from Wix Filtration Products Div. /DANA Corp. addressing this.



PRODUCT QUALITY INFORMATION BULLETIN



JULY, 2001





To: ALL SALES PERSONNEL



FROM: TECHNICAL SERVICES



SUBJECT: PART MUMBER 51607 WIX; 1607 NAPA; 85607 CARQUEST



Cummins Engine Company has issued a technical service bulletin, number 09-004-01, regarding the use of the appropriate lubricating oil filter on their 5. 9L Diesel engine in service in 1989-2001 2500 and 3500 Dodge ram trucks. A copy of this bulletin is attached for your reference.



This bulletin alerts vehicle owners to the possibility of oil filters containing neoprene components failing and causing engine failure. This bulletin also provides a list of “approved” oil filters for this application. These filters are approved simply because Fleetguard manufactures them.



The Wix Filtration Products Div. /DANA Corp. would like to inform all our customers that our oil filter part number referenced above for this application has NEVER contained any component made from neoprene. Its inner element support is made from glass-filled nylon and our sealing gasket is Nitrile rubber. Also, our product has a static burst pressure of 350 psi. This is a full 100 psi over the original equipment requirement. Our product has not experienced the baseplate warping, bloating and oil leakage problems our competitors have. When our customers install our product on this application, they can be assured they are installing a filter that is designed correctly and will meet their quality expectations.



Please feel free to copy and share this information with all our customers as the need arises. Thanks for all you do for us.





Chris Greeson

Senior Technical Services Manager

WIX Filtration Products Did. /DANA Corp.

 

[bmoeller]

I've been using Donaldson oil filters for a year or so on my 2000 CTD. Does anyone out there know if they are on the "approved list"? I haven't noticed any problems with them yet. Thanks

Whether they are or not, they do make great filters. Donaldson is also a supplier to many OEMs. John Deere included.

 

[jwilliams3]

Maybe that letter from WIX will fix his engine!! :-laf

 

[Blacksdieselhp]

I let a quick lube place do my truck one time about 4 years ago because i was going out of twon and didn't have time. I knew these guys well. I went to pick it up and he was doing something under the hood. I walked around to find him topping my raidator off with windshield washer fluid and had already put antifreeze in my washer tank. i couldn't believe it. Where do they find some of these guys that work at these places. Luckily I supplied the oil and filter or who knows what would have happened.

 

[steved]

I let a quick lube place do my truck one time about 4 years ago because i was going out of twon and didn't have time. I knew these guys well. I went to pick it up and he was doing something under the hood. I walked around to find him topping my raidator off with windshield washer fluid and had already put antifreeze in my washer tank. i couldn't believe it. Where do they find some of these guys that work at these places. Luckily I supplied the oil and filter or who knows what would have happened.

This all happened in New Mexico (is it something in the water?):



I had a Jiffy Lube put a Fram filter on my truck after I soecifically told them it was NOT an approved filter (they tried to sneek it by me... musta thought I would never look under the hood??)... and this was the same place that filled the case up with 2. 5 gallons of oil and claimed that 0. 5 gallons was still "caught up in the head"... :-laf ... and this was after I told them to put all three gallons of MY oil in the case...



Needless to say, I took back possession of the truck, called my CC company and had the charges disputed... I ended up not paying for that oil change. Then went and bought a Purolator and installed it in the PepBoys parking lot... :-laf



Another time I took the truck to a LubeCo at the local truckstop... they had Rotella (cool, didn't need to bring my own) and "Fleetguard" filters... I was already liking this place... then I notice it was a dark red filter they were getting ready to install... I put a whoa on things... it was a Baldwin filter... I said what about your Fleetguard... the reply was "this is a fleetguard"! So needless to say, I ended up walking to the local parts house and buying another Purolator.



LubeCo also tightened the drain plug up so tight, I needed an impact gun to remove it... I'm lucky it didn't fracture!!!



steved

 

[TBurow]

so i take it purolator filters are ok? thats what i have used.

 

[steved]

so i take it purolator filters are ok? thats what i have used.

Yes, purolator is on the list. . they also use a plastic seal, not a rubber one... and they confirmed that if the filter caused a problem, they would cover ANY damage caused to the engine as long as you had reciepts for the filter... I specifically asked them how the warranty thing worked...



steved

 

[Bob4x4]

Something Missing Here ,If the Filter collapse the journals would have Been Plugged and the Mains and rods would have went WAY before any Burned Holes, Also if the Valvoline Filter failed get documentation,Valvoline has Pay on claims like this in the past.

The first thing that plugs are the piston cooling nozzles!#6 is usually the first to take the hit.

 

[BTighe]

looks like its time to add a fleetgaurd to the toolbox guys. i have lifetime oilchanges now but i will still keep one handy incase. i hate lube shops, seems like mostly hacks that couldnt make it through tech school.

 

[TCDiesel]

The first thing that plugs are the piston cooling nozzles!#6 is usually the first to take the hit.

That"s ONLY ADDITIONAL COOLING, THE 100"S OF ENGINE"S ,Cat ,Cummings,Detroit,Navistar. that are replace here In the Shop Including the ISB Always have Bottom end failure,( when Lack of Lubrication)also He was Pulling, the Bottom end is under Much more stress.

 

[Bob4x4]

That"s ONLY ADDITIONAL COOLING, THE 100"S OF ENGINE"S ,Cat ,Cummings,Detroit,Navistar. that are replace here In the Shop Including the ISB Always have Bottom end failure,( when Lack of Lubrication)also He was Pulling, the Bottom end is under Much more stress.

The onlyoiling failure we have had in our shop from filter failure on the ISB has been the piston sticking just like a 2 stroke from the piston overheating. The material that comes apart only blocks the cooling jet,it doesn't block oil to the bearings. No loss of oil pressure is noted,that is why most that are lost are not caught by the driver till it is too late. The ISB piston will knock just like a bearing knock after it sticks



If you are loosing 100s of engines in your shop maybe you should change your maintenance program :-laf :-laf







Bob

 

[KBennett]

$12K does seem steep even with labor included.



I have always used the Fleetguard Stratapore on my truck except for one time when I had started changing the oil and went to the cabinet where I keep the filters and discovered that I had run out. I bought a NAPA filter because that's what a friend used on his truck and ran it for 5K miles with no problems.

I get my Fleetguard from Geno's garage http://www.genosgarage.com/

 

[TCDiesel]

The onlyoiling failure we have had in our shop from filter failure on the ISB has been the piston sticking just like a 2 stroke from the piston overheating. The material that comes apart only blocks the cooling jet,it doesn't block oil to the bearings. No loss of oil pressure is noted,that is why most that are lost are not caught by the driver till it is too late. The ISB piston will knock just like a bearing knock after it sticks



If you are loosing 100s of engines in your shop maybe you should change your maintenance program :-laf :-laf







Bob

I figure you would Come Back with that, It was a hyperbole, all this show"s How Ignorant you are. Well BxB, The Gage that DC has installed won"t show zero pressure even when road debris has punch a hole in the Pan and the driver is not aware of this UNTIL complete engine Failure. A great Majority of the Engine Internal Engine Damage (Or any Damage) We see Here is do to the Owners Taking advise or directions from those who claim to have Knowledge ,But are no more than Peddler of Books. :-laf :-laf :-laf :-laf