Competition BUILT TO ACHEIVE 200 MPH , that awesome Schieds dragster

[Fletcher]

You can find the calculators at smokemup.com

THANK YOU !!!! I was curious how close it will come to my dyno/ weight/time numbers…

 

[Timbeaux38]

The #'s seem to be pretty close to the dyno (except for Jeffs Run) on the Garmon Trucks. What kind of Dyno are you using?

 

[LPreston]

We will be displaying the dragster in the ATS Diesel Performance booth. We will need to chisel off the bugs off the nose, and clean up the war wagon a bit.



Come see us!

The bugs give it character and let everyone know that you run the rail...



Look forward to seeing you.

 

[Fletcher]

The #'s seem to be pretty close to the dyno (except for Jeffs Run) on the Garmon Trucks. What kind of Dyno are you using?

I'm using "Diesel Pro's" dyno jet Stanwood ,Wa.

The calculator's numbers are within seven HP of what I produce.

 

[Timbeaux38]

It seems to work pretty well from what I have seen and the numbers are almost dead on with a dynojet.

 

[nascar mark]

Bill,

Doing a little figuring, I put you at 1043hp. Not bad Fletch. Very close to your dyno #'s. Of course that hp calculator is a east coast design though.

 

[sbentz]

We have built a wheel spacer to widen the pig a bit. Yes, only having half of the slicks on the rollers gets smoky. And a bit tough on the tires.

 

[Amish Elegance]

WOW all that hype about the high and mighty Schieds diesel power...



“It’s not what we want to do “ DAN SCHIEDs

Hype??? Hype??! Greg wants to talk about hype. ROTFLMAO! Thanks for that comp. Wow what a laugh. Every time you open your mouth its to let us all know how good you think you are, and how you're the quickest, bla bla bla. You hype (comp-post) Dr. P's plastic fantastic more than any other racer about his/her ride on this board combined. When you're not opening your mouth about yourself, you're running down the progress of someone els's racing program. Ok comp, from this pinnacle of racing knowledge and ability you place yourself on, whats your fastest time this season? Why dont ya throw us a slip while you're at it. Lemmie put it on a separate line for ya...





Comp, (hype461) Whats YOUR fastest time in Dr. P's ride this season?



Ok big guy, thats what I thought.

I’m close to having my new piece on a real dyno

You're always saying real numbers come from the track... . whats that song by Green Day..... "Walking Contradiction. "



As for Dan's reply... he said from the beginning he was out there for SDM. Not to race Bentz. Hell, he coulda raced Bentz on his home turf in Indy if that was the case. Just spreading the word out west about SDM by actually showing up and making passes/hooks, not just running their mouth on some board. Spot em some time... both teams. Then you'll really see a race.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Nah, I think ole Comp should pull that big bad *** motor out of that tupperware box, put it in a real pulling truck and we'll all find out "on the track" how he stacks up against the Scheid truck. Maybe even Sleddy could show ya a few things, let alone most all the others.



So, whats your fastest time for this year ?

 

[Dl5treez]

Where I come from, when a fast time is laid down, the vehicle/person laying down the fast time has every right to sit on the fence and brag about it until someone else comes along and beats the time... ...



In short I guess what I'm trying to say is as of right now Greg has the fast time for a non-rail B Cummins powered drag vehicle, and has no reason to "put up or shut up", "prove himself", etc.



If he doesn't want to run this year, if he doesn't want to pull to a big diesel event and "prove" himself, he doesn't have to. If I was in his shoes I sure as hell wouldn't travel 50,000 miles or more yanking my hot rod all over the country "proving" it's ability to the world. Sure maybe I'd hit some of the big diesel events to do a little PR, some showing off, etc---just like the other big names do--but that's me.



Remember, Greg also has a full-time job outside of the diesel world and may not have the time or financial resources to play professional racer 24/7 like others can. Nothing wrong with that.



He set the time in front of plenty enough people to have witnesses that it's in fact a real run---if anybody wants a "piece of him" they should go to Texas and challenge him. You want to race him? You go find him, he doesn't have to go find you. If he doesn't want a match race against you, so what? His time is the fastest, he doesn't have to race you to prove anything. You go run 8. 71 and 155 and then flap your gums about him ducking you. That's how it works, deal with it.



Let him talk all the smack he wants--that's what racers do. As soon as somebody beats his time he'll "shut up" and start running again, but the fact is nobody has set a faster time, or even claimed to set a faster time yet, so in the meantime he has every right to be a "thorn in people's sides", if you will.



You don't like him? Fine, then go knock him out of the #1 spot. Otherwise you look like a whiny baby.





Just my 2 cents.





**My reference to 'you' does NOT mean anyone in particular, consider it a figure of speech. **

 

[Amish Elegance]

5Dltreez, good points. But there's a few things we must clear up ...

Responding paragraph per paragraph.



Every post compy makes, we get to hear him brag in his sig. No problem with that. No argument as to if it happened or not. Congrats, all that crap.



Here you say, "non-rail B Cummins powered drag vehicle. " Ahh, lets keep our apples with our apples shall we. We're talking about rails here, not tube frame trucks. Though it seems the boundarys blur further down the post. As to the "put up shut up" line, this whole thread was started under that premise, referring to the lack of progress from SDM toward their eventual goals. The request stands: Greg, hows the progress?



Here we discuss the traveling to prove himself statement. I am in full agreement that he or any other record holding team has no obligation to travel the country for that purpose. Though resting on laurels is a good way to become a has-been. As I read it, SDM's website has their eventual goals clearly defined, yet somehow that is construded(sp?) as arrogant hype. If you remember back in June, a great "hype" was started about Dr. P coming to Indy, many were excited to see it, only to back out at the last min. Everyone knows the conspiracy theories that followed. That my friends, is "hype. "



Here we've got the part time racer vs. full time mouth issue. This seems to come up every time his mouth writes a check his backside cannot cash. Save the workin' man schpeal, please. What makes him different from any other diesel racer on this page? Fletcher, the Bentz crew, Keating, McBride and many other fast boyz all have other full time jobs. Dan and Andrew don't just kick back, makin the big bucks, payin teams of engineers to do their bidding for SDM. They got bidness to run just like everyone else. Ain't no John Force $$ in diesel racin yet.



These next two paragraphs seem to blur a little, but I think I can reply in one. In your second paragraph you get specific about non rail, B series, ect. ect. Lets keep the apples with the apples. What does a guy running a tube frame truck have to do with a rail? Exactly. Why then is he callin' one out/trash talking about one? Especially one that's faster than him? Where is this magical ammo that he's got that makes it ok to shoot mouth about a rail that should run faster than his truck, AND DOES?



Not a "whiny baby," just a straight shootin Yoder wit a slow truck from bumble ______. Though your opinion is noted.



Keep the change.



**my reference to your post does not mean I'm trying to flame YOU. just debate your statements. **

 

[CMNS PWR]

Has anyone gone faster than 8. 25 this year? Something to consider...

 

[COMP461]

Responding paragraph per paragraph.

here you say, "non-rail B Cummins powered drag vehicle. " Ahh, lets keep our apples with our apples shall we. We're talking about rails here, not tube frame trucks. Though it seems the boundarys blur further down the post. As to the "put up shut up" line, this whole thread was started under that premise, referring to the lack of progress from SDM toward their eventual goals.

There have been many self aggrandizements post of SDM on here is the last few weeks by people involved, or under suspiciously new TDR handles , all talking about the monumental and seemingly unsurpassable power that Schieds diesel makes .



Eric is the past has down right ignored the accomplishments of Scott Benz, until he wanted him to come to Indy. Eric has also ignored the accomplishments of my truck, and even posted the show queen edge truck on his web site, even thou I was a member of DHRA at the time I acomplished sitting the undisputed record for a diesel powered truck.



Eric has written checks with the SDM dragster that he in fact has yet to cash. Scott , just like me is involved is an intense R&D program. When you do what you have always done you will only get what you have always got, meaning if you don’t try something new , you don’t get any where , sometimes things don’t work the way we expect them to. and with the great expense and time it takes to field one of these car , we don’t always get to the track in front of people ,



I for one don’t publish track number done at private test sessions . I will only claim records done in front of people. but I have been in the 8’s almost 25 times , some passes not as good , and some passes much better.

The request stands: Greg, hows the progress?

I was planning a great year and started off testing, with a new transmission , Doc's new pump, new injectors and a upgraded turbo from Ken Diaz at Turbo Auto Diesel . We have made great strides in the camshaft area , allowing the motor to run even higher making for a 4 MPH gain average. Then the “53” block curse hit. This was a total loss on the motor as the new block we were doing was bigger bore and therefore nothing was going to be as easy as reblocking.

The new motor is on the stand and awaiting a finale assembly. Spent a lot of time, checking every aspect of this Cummins motor, like valve train dynamics, valve clearance, and port flow analyzes among other things. Then Katrina hit and I was called on to spent 3 weeks in New Orleans. I am racing for another team for a few races, as I didn’t want to get to rusty on the tree. And around the corner is the SEMA show and the Las Vegas race. I have several project , to include my return to comp next year in a trailblazer power G/ED .

Everyone knows the conspiracy theories that followed. That my friends, is "hype. "

The conspiracy was real , and I will not be subjected to unfair treatment , it was leaked to a few friends of mine i, members of the DHRA who warned me . A DHRA official Neal , even responded on this site that I would be subjected to all the rules nothing more or less , while Scott Benz’s dragster was not even looked at , per Scott.



I have passed tech in 4 NHRA races , and was second place for best engineered at a NHRA nation event being beat out by Ashley Force at that race. I changed to a west coast race for that reasion .

A great group The NHRDA invited me and I was ready to have fun. During finale testing the 53 block reared its ugly head. I will run the Houston race, and will have a Div 4 NHRA tech guy who lives there watching over any shenanigans , in addition a former comp racer owns the track, so I’m confident that they won't get the chance

Here we've got the part time racer vs. full time mouth issue. This seems to come up every time his mouth writes a check his backside cannot cash .

I seam to be able to so far, has any one, even the so-called big teams been able to out run me Edge started with a clean sheet of paper race truck and spent big money to only give up. Keating has done a great job, but hasn’t out run me yet. You can say they could of, should of, but the facts are still there. I’m still the fastest.

 

[Dockboy]

Bill,

Doing a little figuring, I put you at 1043hp. Not bad Fletch. Very close to your dyno #'s. Of course that hp calculator is a east coast design though.

The only calculator on Smokemup.com that is accurate is the HP fron 1/4 mi. trap speed. The others are way over inflated

 

[sbentz]

I agree that 1/4 MPH has always been the HP indicator. ET wins races, but MPH tells the engine HP story.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Comp, are you faster than 8. 25 ?

 

[Dl5treez]

This thread was started by someone who, for lack of a better way for me to put it, is good at stirring the pot when it comes to the progress of drag vehicles that have a lot of hype but have yet to show it on the track..... yet for some reason their fans, and possibly the team themselves--though I highly doubt it--feel the vehicles are somehow light years better than those who have actually backed up their mouth, or the mouthes of their cheerleaders.



This someone, when he opens his mouth, is the recipient of the ever-constant "what about you, what about what you've done, blah blah blah" whining that IMHO is irrelevant to the topics at hand the vast majority of the time---this thread being no different.



Until the Scheid rail makes the much talked about & much touted 200mph pass, the car, the driver, the owner, and the whole program will be under "ridicule" for not being able to back up their own statements as to the car's ability. How much that ridicule stings is subjective, and depends on how people take a ribbing. Some take it well, others don't.



I made the comment about Greg's truck being the fastest B Cummins powered non-rail to squelch the certain backlash of how there are faster diesel drag vehicles out there. If I recall correctly the performance and status of Greg's hot rod came up in the discussion long before my post, so who didn't keep the conversation apples to apples?



I for one am all for every diesel drag vehicle out there to test & tune, run & fail, test & tune, etc until they get their package dialed in, but IMHO all bets as to a hot rod's speed potential are only going to help fuel the 'negative publicity' when the hot rod can't live up to the hype/expectations set for it by fans, owners, cheerleaders, what have you.



So, OK, back to the topic... ... ... ... ... . what exactly is the best time & trap speed turned in by the 200mph rail thus far?

 

[Amish Elegance]

Thanks for the replys Comp. While I'd like to debate a few facts with ya, it was well organized and informative. Now we can debatePP

Responding paragraph per paragraph.



There have been many self aggrandizements post of SDM on here is the last few weeks by people involved, or under suspiciously new TDR handles , all talking about the monumental and seemingly unsurpassable power that Schieds diesel makes .

Comp, the world is not out to get you... just shut ya up. :-laf This isn't a threat to you. Just good ole country boy pride. I haven't seen anything in the line of "Yay Scheid, Boo Comp. " They make power, damn good power, as well as many other fine establishments with which their patrons should be proud as well.

Eric is the past has down right ignored the accomplishments of Scott Benz, until he wanted him to come to Indy. Eric has also ignored the accomplishments of my truck, and even posted the show queen edge truck on his web site, even thou I was a member of DHRA at the time I acomplished sitting the undisputed record for a diesel powered truck.

I can't speak to the ignored comment about Bentz. I'm sure Scott would lead creed to if it was the case. You a DHRA member? Can't speak for that one either, though I find it hard to believe a monumental event like that would go unannounced by a sanctioning body that could profit from the PR of a members record. The world isn't out to get you.

As to the "closed eye" to your truck, two things: Dr. P as far as I can tell doesn't throw money at either diesel racing organization. And you think that after all the MF'n you do about DHRA they're gonna toot your horn for ya? As for the Edge truck and Edge, guess what? They sponsor racing. Heck, NHRDA's even got the picture on their site/flyer too. Whaddya bet they paid for that? Thats how it works.

Eric has written checks with the SDM dragster that he in fact has yet to cash. Scott , just like me is involved is an intense R&D program. When you do what you have always done you will only get what you have always got, meaning if you don’t try something new , you don’t get any where , sometimes things don’t work the way we expect them to. and with the great expense and time it takes to field one of these car , we don’t always get to the track in front of people ,



I for one don’t publish track number done at private test sessions . I will only claim records done in front of people. but I have been in the 8’s almost 25 times , some passes not as good , and some passes much better.

I hardly think defined goals are uncashed checks. As to the R&D, thats what it takes. Here's the difference, Scott and you are BACK focusing on R+D. SDM hasn't even cleared the initial R&D stage. Ya dog their progress when its their first year out with the car and they don't wanna run with the current quickest diesel digger. Hows that being cowardly?! Especially on a trip with the intent of gettin SDM word out only. Read SDM marketing. Better than some add in Diesel Pwr. by far. Bentz being there, though it made for a good show, was the last thing on his mind. Right now, I bet Dan cant even think the word "competition" when it comes to that car. They seem to be focused on doin all they can to go quicker and reach their goals.



Get out ya history books... Who else out there has taken a new car and made it deep into the 8's on their first season of 1320's? You were proud of the fact you started with a junk yard motor when I spoke with you at SEMA '03. I don'tremember your times, but I'm pretty sure they're were two digits in front of the dot. Wowed me just the same, "atta boy. " (Yeah, not a rail but you've got 8's now so I included you. Just this once, an orange with the apples) Dont know the Bentz's history exactly, but it took them a couple seasons too, but when they did the popped 8's and 7's in the same season. "Atta boy's" for the house! SDM too. They've come a long way this year.

I was planning a great year and started off testing, with a new transmission , Doc's new pump, new injectors and a upgraded turbo from Ken Diaz at Turbo Auto Diesel. We have made great strides in the camshaft area , allowing the motor to run even higher making for a 4 MPH gain average. Then the “53” block curse hit. This was a total loss on the motor as the new block we were doing was bigger bore and therefore nothing was going to be as easy as reblocking.

The new motor is on the stand and awaiting a finale assembly. Spent a lot of time, checking every aspect of this Cummins motor, like valve train dynamics, valve clearance, and port flow analyzes among other things. Then Katrina hit and I was called on to spent 3 weeks in New Orleans. I am racing for another team for a few races, as I didn’t want to get to rusty on the tree. And around the corner is the SEMA show and the Las Vegas race. I have several project , to include my return to comp next year in a trailblazer power G/ED .

Thanks for the update. Sounds like ya got a lot on your plate. A true update, no "yay me, boo you. " Thats good readin right there. Sounds like Dr. P's had a set back or two, but thats whatcha get when you go fast. Hope your tweaks pay off as hoped, and some good numbers in front of the crowds at Vegas and Texas are a result.

The conspiracy was real , and I will not be subjected to unfair treatment , it was leaked to a few friends of mine i, members of the DHRA who warned me . A DHRA official Neal , even responded on this site that I would be subjected to all the rules nothing more or less , while Scott Benz’s dragster was not even looked at , per Scott.

I have passed tech in 4 NHRA races , and was second place for best engineered at a NHRA nation event being beat out by Ashley Force at that race. I changed to a west coast race for that reasion .

A great group The NHRDA invited me and I was ready to have fun. During finale testing the 53 block reared its ugly head. I will run the Houston race, and will have a Div 4 NHRA tech guy who lives there watching over any shenanigans , in addition a former comp racer owns the track, so I’m confident that they won't get the chance

Where to start... Comp... The world isn't out to get you. DHRA included. Cut it out with all this friend of a friend, whos sister's mom's cousin dated a tech official who's gonna give ya a hard time said... . It was Exhibition. The only thing that they get teched for is safety equipment. Scott may not have been at his trailer at the time, but I'm sure somebody did a walk through. As Neal said, the rules, no more no less. As for the rest, its all hearsay cause ya didn't show.

Congrats on stackin up to a Force.

Texas... Tell ya what, cut the bashin slap that car together, come on out, bring ya extra muscle if ya want and have a good time. No body is gonna mess with or pull any "shenanigans" on your truck. At least no DHRA official anyway. As far as the rest of the people ya tee off every time ya talk smack... well you'll get that anywhere.

I’m still the fastest.

No, you're the quickest " non-rail B Cummins powered drag vehicle. "

Thanks for the reply.

 

[nascar mark]

The only calculator on Smokemup.com that is accurate is the HP fron 1/4 mi. trap speed. The others are way over inflated

That's what I'm talking about. Bill's 1/4 mile trap speed works out to be 1043hp if you use that calculator.

 

[Dockboy]

That's what I'm talking about. Bill's 1/4 mile trap speed works out to be 1043hp if you use that calculator.

What's his weight and trap speed?



I'm pretty sure his truck can't weigh less than 6200 lbs. and at that weight he would have to be doing around 135 mph to put down that kind of number which would be a mid to high 9 sec. pass