Buy more than50 gals in Mexico... get your truck SEIZED!!!!

[cArNiVaLwOrKeR]

I do have an aux. 110Gal, on my truck, But how would they know if it's MEXICAN Diesel?



I also want to get a 60 from aero but 800. 00 is not cheap, it would take MANY and SEVERAL trips to Tijuas to get your money's worth.



JoeLee

 

[cArNiVaLwOrKeR]

It was always my understanding the LA riots were based upon the actions of blacks - never heard any reference to Hispanics or Mexicans...



Lest we lose perspective, most of the comments here - and bitterness - is aimed at ILLEGAL Mexicans, and the Mexican government in general, which has 2 totally different standards of "fairness". One relates to how (poorly!) THEY treat USA citizens on THEIR soil - as opposed to how they expect and demand we treat THEIRS...



Some of our family's best friends are Mexican - fine, clean people - but THEY are here legally, and worked hard for what they have, just like most of the rest of us. And I, for one, would welcome one of those over a dirty, leech of a natural born USA citizen ANY day!

Gary,



Yeah, you are right, thats how it began, however, once the looting was in effect, the individuals that got Fame from the news were Black's dunno if they were African Americans? Panamanian? and persons that were of Hispanic appearance, Mexican? Nicaraguan? Honduran?



The point is that "SOME" people automatically say Mexican's when they see a Busboy, someone selling fruit on the offramp of a Interstate, Gardeners, tire shop workers, Home Depot parking lot voltures.



I believe I got off track when someone Generalized a Hispanic worker as a Mexican. I did not hear where the person that ASSUMED the person being a Mexican, knew for sure that they came from Mexico, or they knew how to identify who is from Mexico or wherever.

 

[DCruger]

Aux tanks

The would take your truck for up to 4 days and test it

if it was then you might loose your truck. or have to pay a fine.



to me not worth the rush to lose it

 

[catoiler]

I truly wonder how PEOPLE generalize any Brown skinned, dark haired person for a MEXICAN, during the Rodney King Riots of Los Angeles, there was a lot of looting and eventhough the people that were from other countries, Central and South america, were the majority of the persons showed on the news and later identified, arrested and deported, the Ignorant still generalized them as Mexicans because of their appearance and color of their skin,

Being a Mexican myself I find it very difficult to distinguish between a Mex. and a Venenzuelan for instance, and for that matter, many Hispanic ethnicities.



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OK let me rephrase that, non english speaking brown skined people. if they went through the legal process and took the oath no problem!

 

[jkidd]

If I was a gambling man (which I am not) I would divert the return fuel line to my aux tank and drive or idle for 15minutes and find another station to fill my now depleted factory tank.

but if they are testing aux tanks for mexican diesel it is a no win deal.

 

[cArNiVaLwOrKeR]

But how can it be Determined if its Mexican Diesel? Is it Brown?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

But how can it be Determined if its Mexican Diesel? Is it Brown?

It smells like Tacos... :-laf

 

[Regcabguy]

It's the color of old.

My neighbor who used to go down w/his auxiliary tank did indeed say it resembled our old diesel,kinda brown. The attendant at a Pemex station in Ensenada blasted herself with the high flow pumps they use down there when she overfilled my tank. It soaked the poor girl and she had to go change. I couldn't tell what color it was against her uniform. I gave her a good tip.

 

[JUeckert]

what a sad situation indeed. for what this country does for our neighbors across the border, and we cant even get a little fuel from them. first off, it's likely the mexican government that needs to be held responsible in this issue, but consider also the fact the u. s goverment [may] be adding to the issue themselves. our goverment is probably afraid of looseing that bit of income, in the form of taxes. i know this is a bit off topic, but something really needs to be done about the illeagal's crossing the border. there attitude on this fuel issue goes to show they have no intention on contributeing to our countrys well being. just as they have done in other ways as well. i have some very good friends who are hispanic, and got here the proper way. even they agree, something has to be done about the illeagals. . one thing i will give the hispanic population credit for, at least they arent afraid to ban together and protest in large numbers. be it fuel prices in there own country, or trying to impose there citizenship in our country. americans need to take a lesson from this. .

 

[Dbonzi]

I blame the US Gov for the issues. It is not mexico's problem if the citizens want to leave, It is our problem. And until will can gaurd our borders with shoot to kill intentions we will continue the same old way.

When we start shooting at illegals it will only take a few days and they will stop trying. But like what was said earlier, globalization is here!!!

They only way to get us to accept it is to lower our standard of living by making our dollar worth the same as mexico's. Looks to be getting pretty close.

 

[cArNiVaLwOrKeR]

1st of all, Mexico does not have the Dollar.



2nd, Shoot un-armed persons? that is really brilliant, since when did shooting un-armed person become an American Ideal? for that matter.



Brilliance @ its best, only on TDR after dark



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[Dbonzi]

It isn't a matter of shooting an unarmed person (criminal)

It is a matter of taking care of National Security. Illegal immigration costs this country

Billions of dollars. Which we can’t afford so we borrow from China. (like our stimulus package) It won’t be long before all of our assets are own by china. I have no problem with anyone coming to this country. But they need to do it in a legal manner. And they should not expect all of the free hand outs that they now receive.

As far as Mexico not having the dollar, sorry I should have said currency.

We need to stand up for our country or soon it will be someone elses.



cArNiVaLwOrKeR, you make it sound like these illegal immigrants are innocent. Have you been down to the boarder and looked at the devastation they leave behind. Not to mention the drugs that they bring along.



Looks like it is brilliance in the daylight as well:-laf:-laf

 

[Regcabguy]

A secure border,enforcement of existing immigration and employment laws will end the problems without a shot being fired. Mexico will be forced to deal with it's own corruption and create jobs for essentially a loyal population who don't want to leave their cities and towns for a foreign land. The Wall Street Journal had an article stating that something like fifty old money families run the show down there. They need to realize that their fortunes could double by creating commerce right at home. Maybe greed can influence them to share the wealth. By the way,if Bush wants to do the right thing he'll pardon the two border guards rotting in solitary confinement in federal prison right now. Just this morning a border guard shot into a group of Mexicans that were pelting his truck with rocks. One person was hit. Fearing for his own life and limb,he did what any person would do in his situation. As usual Mecha and all the other civil rights groups are criticizing the agent's actions. It'll be interesting how this plays out. If anyone doubts the courageous and gut-wrenching job these men and women do,they need to ride with them.

 

[JUeckert]

i'am a strong supporter of enforceing border security. next to high fuel prices, this is the next thing most important to me as an american, and a voter. i could see where shooting at them could become necessary, especially after the stories i hear from friends who own property near the borders. some of the friends have actually found, or know other land owners that have found traps left by the illeagals. these traps are the to deter folks from patroling there land. truth be know, this is no different then someone telling me they are gonna use my property, wether i like it or not, wether i get injured or killed or not . the mexican people can hold their rallies and protest fuel prices, and protest tighter borders, how about they protest what's wrong with there own country. wait a minute, they might get shot at doing that, they can cross the border north and do anything they want with little fear. for many years i have heard it said mexico was gonna take Texas back, and never fire a shot[ this come straight from hispanics mouth also] i have also heard the joke that when hispanics claim they want better conditions from their government, like health care and such, the officals hand them a life jacket and a map that leads them to the u. s border. i have no issue with someone wanting to become a legal citizen, or a temporay worker, but i do have issue with folks being here illeagally, and milking the system. this issue will have to be handeled at a state and local level, not goverment. our government officals are to afraid they will loose a vote or something...

 

[10-9jc]

Going back to the original post -
Lot of -"off topic"- rants and snivel & whining here!

I see some posters state something to the effect of -
" a few gallons" - and - from a "couple of stations".

At one of the TX border crossings, the gringos (we, us, US citizens) were filling 55 gallon drums in the back of pickups with diesel.

Folks with MDT, HDT trucks for their haulers (and MHs) were going across to fill-up with 2-300 gallons - and returning
immediately.

Other people (US citizens) with businesses in CA, were making
trips every day to fill their aux tanks, then transfer to their other vehicles.

So - if you have a business and "beat the system" (high cost of fuel) - while your competitor plays it straight -
you can beat his prices.
Must be the "American Way", huh!??

Diesel is subsidized by the MX gov't.
So many US citizens were crossing the border at TJ to beat the US prices, they (TJ) were running out of fuel.

This has nothing to do with illegal aliens or immigration!
It's US citizen crooks - period.
(Same as running red dye fuel in your tank/s).

Now if you were (are) going to MX for vacation and traveling (burning the fuel)
sure shouldn't be a problem - it's being used in MX.
Enjoy the benefit, come back with a 1/4 tank (and an empty aux tank) = no problem.

BTW - (on edit) - Not sure what this had to do with diesel fuel in Mexico, but -
Having had the dubious privilege of living in L. A. , I had some "participation" in both the Watts Riots
(Nat'l Guard) and South Central L. A (Firefighter).
For the first - nobody ever saw any Mexicans. Mexicans are/were in East L. A. , not Watts.
For the second - "we" didn't see any Mexicans - but we were a bit busy to check "ethnicity".
How busy? A guy in our strike team was one of the two F/Fs shot during the South Central Riots.

No doubt there were probably some Mexicans (be they MX-Americans or Illegals) who looted and were
"caught" on TV coverage.
The South Central L. A. area has at least some residents of all races.
Had there been any white faces willing to risk THEIR lives to join in the looting they probably would have - and did.

 

[DCruger]

Tj Diesel

Actually the problem in tj was



1. The person that orders the fuel put the order in late.

2. The shipment ran into some problem and then was late by a couple weeks.

3. TJ ran out of diesel and almost ran out of GAS

4. When the shipment did come in allot of Mexican trucking and bus owners did not want to run out again so they started buying 1-3000 gallons at a time. so if this happened again they would have extra fuel.

5. So Pemex (mexico city) was not going to allow extra shipments to the northern states.



What has happened in the last few weeks in TJ is



1. Pemex said that you could only get 50 liters in a aux tank. so we would just go to many stations and fill up or have to grease the attendant.



2. Pemex Corp found out and some how talked to fire Dept. A few weeks ago there was a letter said that in ordered to put fuel into a aux tank you had to have a permit from the fire dept. if you did not then you could not fuel aux tank.



3. there was a report that if you got caught with more then 50 liters in your aux tank and they suspected that it was Mexican Diesel then Mexican Customs could seize your truck for up to 4 days while they had it tested for where the diesel was from. If it tested that it was Mexican diesel and you lied then there would be a big fine. this happened to a truck in TX and it was on the National News. I also called a local San Diego S TV stations and they said that they had reported it 3 weeks before that. ( i never herd of that one).



4. So then PEMEX says no aux tank will be filled unless you have a US$300. 00 permit from the fire station. Most of my friends now go down once a week and fill up there factory installed tank only now. Some are having 60-100 gallon factory upgraded tanks installed for about 1,200 - 1,600 dollars installed.



Sales at most tank company's have gone way down do to this.

I have herd of the permit and and trying to get a copy of one

when i find it i will post it here.



Until then most ppl are not have fuel put in there aux tanks.

This rule is for anyone US or Mexican.



This is only the Mexican side of the equation

The USA customs is a whole another story



so for now i just go down and get fuel on Sunday

takes me 14 min round trip ( i have sentri)



More as more info can be found

DC

 

[JUeckert]

Going back to the original post -

Lot of -"off topic"- rants and snivel & whining here!



I see some posters state something to the effect of -

" a few gallons" - and - from a "couple of stations".



At one of the TX border crossings, the gringos (we, us, US citizens) were filling 55 gallon drums in the back of pickups with diesel.



Folks with MDT, HDT trucks for their haulers (and MHs) were going across to fill-up with 2-300 gallons - and returning

immediately.



Other people (US citizens) with businesses in CA, were making

trips every day to fill their aux tanks, then transfer to their other vehicles.



So - if you have a business and "beat the system" (high cost of fuel) - while your competitor plays it straight -

you can beat his prices.

Must be the "American Way", huh!??



Diesel is subsidized by the MX gov't.

So many US citizens were crossing the border at TJ to beat the US prices, they (TJ) were running out of fuel.



This has nothing to do with illegal aliens or immigration!

It's US citizen crooks - period.

(Same as running red dye fuel in your tank/s).



Now if you were (are) going to MX for vacation and traveling (burning the fuel)

sure shouldn't be a problem - it's being used in MX.

Enjoy the benefit, come back with a 1/4 tank (and an empty aux tank) = no problem.



BTW - (on edit) - Not sure what this had to do with diesel fuel in Mexico, but -

Having had the dubious privilege of living in L. A. , I had some "participation" in both the Watts Riots

(Nat'l Guard) and South Central L. A (Firefighter).

For the first - nobody ever saw any Mexicans. Mexicans are/were in East L. A. , not Watts.

For the second - "we" didn't see any Mexicans - but we were a bit busy to check "ethnicity".

How busy? A guy in our strike team was one of the two F/Fs shot during the South Central Riots.



No doubt there were probably some Mexicans (be they MX-Americans or Illegals) who looted and were

"caught" on TV coverage.

The South Central L. A. area has at least some residents of all races.

Had there been any white faces willing to risk THEIR lives to join in the looting they probably would have - and did.

snivel and whineing huh? whats your point? yea, i realize this post has drifted off topic some, and i helped contribute, but the reasoning is related. the point is, for what all the hispanic population takes from this country[ ILLEAGALLY] what is wrong with a small population of people takeing advantage of cheaper fuel. this could turn way off topic and go on and on, but the facts speak for themselves, people are paying for their fuel, they are not stealing it. in a way, the way you word it is no different from buying gas in california and driveing to nevada, spend a day touring their roads ,and coming back to california with out buying nevada gas. most states use the tax's off fuel to repair roads, you dont buy nevada fuel, so you basiclly doing the same thing. this is a everyday occurance , by much of the population. if the mexicans want to limit the fuel purchase amounts, ok, partys over. but impounding a vehicle and again milking an american citizen , is B. S . as for immigration goes, one word sums it up. [ILEAGAL] what the hell is wrong when an american citizen who pays his way, gets pulled over for a simple seatbelt violation, expired inspection or some other nit picking crap, and gets fined by an officer of the law, while a soccer field full of hispanics[ a large number illegal] enjoy their day unmolested. that soccer field is located in plane sight of a favorite stretch of highway the law uses as a speed trap/chk point. nothing like sitting on side of a highway watching a good soccer game, while getting wrote a ticket huh? go to mexico, buy some fuel, donate your vehicle, sounds about typical to me...

 

[kruisecontrol]

this new Mexican diesel law couldn't be made without the USA complaining to the mexican government that diesel money was going being lost to them ,the US doesn't want you to get cheaper diesel over the border !

 

[Regcabguy]

this new Mexican diesel law couldn't be made without the USA complaining to the mexican government that diesel money was going being lost to them ,the US doesn't want you to get cheaper diesel over the border !

Actually the EPA's in on it due to the increased air pollution(even though people here watch their overhead computer indicate better fuel economy on LSD which more than makes up for it). They requested our customs to question drivers about possible diesel importation and customs isn't happy about it. With 2-3 hr crossings commonplace that's all the poor men and women in customs need. They're beat to death daily with stress. Jason Hughes of HRC related to me that three weeks ago a friend went down,filled his aux. inbed tank,and was subsequently removed from the line on the Mex. Otay side. The diesel was pumped from his tank and a fine of several hundred dollars was incurred. He's done,no more Mexican diesel. Big question is: who got the diesel and the fine money.

 

[Bob4x4]

If the americans were not hiring illegals the numbers crossing would drop drasticlly. It is not as one sided as some think