By-pass oil filtration kits-Which one? Need help choosing one.

[ILIANBG]

Hi everyone. I am looking at by-pass oil filtration kits, primaraly Amsoil's BMK-21, one of the Racor(do not know which one yet), or something from Fleetguard if available. I want a simpler system, that's why I do not think I will consider Frantz. I intend to use regular oil, not synthetics, and I am not looking for really extended oil drain intervals, so complete oil change every 5000 mi. Until now my oil changes are every 3000-3500 mi. , sometimes,a bit over, but never over 4000 mi.

So the other question is, Is it worthed even installing a by-pass oil system?

I've met few people who drive a lot their CTD, and they have over 300,000, two of them over 400,000 mi. with just a regular oil, and a regular filter change. They do not even want to hear about a by-pass system. They say "it won't do anything, but maybe help you sleep better".

I need your help, please. Thanks.

Ilian

 

[courierdog]

I would suggest you read Gary's article on the Anatomy of a Frantz toilet paper bypass oil filter. This is a very long thread but well worth the read for all the pros and cons of By-Pass Oil filtering. Anything done by Gary is well researched and documented.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com...my-frantz-toilet-paper-bypass-oil-filter.html

 

[ILIANBG]

Yes, I have read that thread and follow it. Gary is one of the biggest assets to the TDR, one of the reasons to make this site so helpful. I really appreciate his and anybody else's input.

Our engines were designed and tested to go to 300,000 with regular oil and the regular full flow filter only. No other filters were found to be necessary to achieve this goals, and Cummins went through a good ammount of tests on these engine in harsh environment.

As I have seen already, these engines even go past that mark, even past 400,000 miles with only using a regular oil and reg. full flow filters. Seems the engine has enough tolerance built in without the need for additional filtration to achieve this.

Now I guess if I want to go into the 500,000 mile range, I would probably need a by-pass filter. Is the truck itself going to last that long with the average of 15,000 per year I do? I know the engine could last that long, but what about everything else on the truck. That's 33 years

Anyway I expect all of your help and experience to help me learn more in this field. Thank you and keep'em coming

 

[2Rowdy]

Reading you post I don't think you need a bypass filter. my $. 02

 

[Ducman82]

if you had a 4. 5 or newer ram, id say you should get one. that extra injection event makes all kind of soot. but on the other had i love my amsoil bypass, and just like knowing that things are kept cleaner. if for that alone id get one if i was you.

 

[ILIANBG]

Yes, I do not think I need it. I will add injectors in the near future, DDP 75 probably, or something similar. Because of that and because I'd like the look of cleaner oil, I'm considering a by-pass filter.

The question here is, does Amsoil's BMK-21(single by-pass filter) does a good job filtering regular oil, not a synthetic. I talked to a guy today, who works for Amsoil and he said their kits are designed to work with the Amsoil's line of oils. He said it filters down to 1/10 of a micron, which I do not know if it's true.

The kit is not cheap, but not that bad either. I do not know how much are the filter cartridges(EaBP 100).

Anyway, It's really helpful to make a decision based on the experience of the people, using the product.

 

[PRout]

Im sure any brand is better than none. . The only one I would be a little leary about is the spinner. thats just personal opinion, but moving parts are going to wear out. With bypass filtration, nothing really needs to move. Another benefit to having one is you can go longer in between oil changes. I like mine just because its good to know that while youre driving, youre cleaning your oil. Might not be perfect, but much better than none.

 

[p-Bar]

Been running the Amsoil dual unit. Pleased with it though I am running with Delvac synthetic. Change the whole system every 20k , filter every 5k . Time will tell

 

[Bob4x4]

Ilian,

I have customers in 3rd gens with over 400k that work their trucks hard every day. Using the stock filtration and standard oils works great for them.

If you are driving stop and go or short trips with a lot of cold starts maybe you could benefit from a bypass system. Call Mark @ 909-648-5707 he will give you the straight scoop on any amsoil questions and pricing.



Bob

 

[moparguy]

A little over a year ago I completed a one year Frantz test with my 95. Oil used was Delo 15W40(old formula), Frantz with Scott rolls changed 2,000 to 2,500 miles and samples pulled every 5k (or so).



At 23,000 miles I changed the oil even-though the last 5K sample came back good to run as did the sample from the 23k oil.



At the time I did the test I was driving a lot with my work and not taking time to do a change as well as knowing I was saving money made it a worthwhile exercise for me.



Everyone's situation is different but oil analysis on the wife's truck with Delo, no by-pass and Stratapore filters tells me that 10k changes are very safe for us.



Good luck,



RJR

 

[ILIANBG]

Thank you guys. Nice to hear from you, Bob, it's been a long time since I last saw you. I will call the number you provide. Thanks

 

[amsoilman]

ANY By-Pass oil system will work with ANY oil!

By-Pass systems are much better at filtering oil than the OEM "Full-Flow" filters. Some By-Pass filters are better than others with regard to efficiency.



If you are dead set to install one, do some research on them. However, in looking at how often you change your oil, you will waste money in installing a By-Pass system.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[CKelley1]

two points any pre 04. 5 can go over 1,000,000 miles on regular oil with no by pass filter, do not run any 04. 5 up with out a good by pass filter we have 138 diesel engines in our fleet with 12 of them dodges and do our own maintenance, we know

 

[R C Cola]

Filters ?

I agree with Kelly and the others. at 585k my engine is still strong, longivety is still unknown since I know a number of friends that are over 1 million with normal oil and normal changes per factory spec. That said I like the idea of clean oil. I would consider a spinner if starting over just because I don't like the idea of the soot that is too small for the bypass (about 1/50th micron or so) to deal with. That would be 3 oil filters OVERKILL ! I may still add a pre-lube due to fact that so much wear happens in the first few revolutions on start up. Where does it end ? Using factory reccomended changes the engine will outlast almost all trucks. !

 

[BILLVO]

However, in looking at how often you change your oil, you will waste money in installing a By-Pass system.



Wayne

amsoilman

I agree with the above statement also. You are wasting money and oil at 3-4k mile oil changes. jmho from all that I see and have worked on over the years and from my own oil analysis sampling.



I have worked on one of my customers rigs he had 7 that were over 400 - 600k miles and did 10k oil changes with nothing but standard oils and had no issues at all. They all pulled 40 foot enclosed trailers that never got unhooked except for service work.

 

[Bob4x4]

I agree with the above statement also. You are wasting money and oil at 3-4k mile oil changes. jmho from all that I see and have worked on over the years and from my own oil analysis sampling.



I have worked on one of my customers rigs he had 7 that were over 400 - 600k miles and did 10k oil changes with nothing but standard oils and had no issues at all. They all pulled 40 foot enclosed trailers that never got unhooked except for service work.

Highway miles are good miles,stop and go and many short trips around the L. A. area are not the same



Bob

 

[BILLVO]

Highway miles are good miles,stop and go and many short trips around the L. A. area are not the same



Bob

This is true... . I did not look at his sig to see where he was from.

 

[ILIANBG]

Yes, a lot of stop and go, and short trips too. I would love to drive only highway miles, but have no choice. Thanks everyone for your opinion on that matter.

Ilian

 

[steved]

I would consider a spinner if starting over just because I don't like the idea of the soot that is too small for the bypass (about 1/50th micron or so) to deal with.

The reports I've seen of the Spinner, they don't work as well as the Frantz... there is a guy who did a UOA with one, it wasn't that great.



If you're not extending OCIs, then a bypass is a waste of money in both the bypass, the filters, and the extra oil to fill them.

 

[grasmo]

Do not use an Amsoil dual remote bypass filtration system unless you are absolutely positive that you are serious about filtering your oil. I have a 97 12v that has 365k showing and that was 5-6 years ago when the speedo quit ..... the truck is completely falling apart ... . the engine still runs as good as ever ... one snafu and you should really consider this... no matter who's system you use ... . be very thorough thinking out your mounting / routing ... ... my other 97 had the filter kit mounted out side the frame rail on the pass. side about where the middle of the pass seat is ... any way one day a rock slung out of my tire hit the full flow filter punching a hole the size of a nickel and within 700 yds traveling 70 it pumped enough oil to destroy the turbo..... very important keep it safe from the unexpected. Amsoil ... ... the best ... if you understand oil. Petroleum has progressed to the point that almost anything will get you 300k... . with regular service and not making the engine do something it was not designed to do.