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The family of Baljit ( Grewal ) Kondolay are still suffering and will continue to suffer from the tragedy of her murder. The fact that she is gone forever from our lives is hard enough to bear. Even so, the pain has been intensified through enduring the trail process. Seeing the faces of the monsters—who killed a beloved sister, mother, daughter, and friend—everyday for five weeks was torture. Watching the videotape of the crime scene and going through the evidence and then anxiously waiting for the verdict was indescribable agony.

We thought we could finally move on with our lives when Ajit Grewal and Sukhjit Grewal were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for twenty-five years, and Sonny Toor was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to life in a prison with no chance of parole for twelve years. But all three men are planning to appeal to the B. C. Supreme Court to change this decision. Sonny Toor has already been given the opportunity to be released on bail of $500,000 after only serving three months of his LIFE sentence. In light of this, the sentences that these convicted murderers have been dealt seem to have lost their meaning. The heart-wrenching trial process that we suffered through seems to have been in vain. How many more trials will we, the victims, have to suffer through before these criminals suffer the consequences of their actions? Where is the accountability?

The issue that must be addressed is “ Who does the justice system really look after? In Canada, the rights of criminals seem to have exceeded the rights of the victims. How ironic that it started in the courtroom. While the murderers sat on cushy chairs next to their lawyers, we (the victims) sat for hours on hard benches; their meals were paid for, while we paid for our own; the accused were provided free transportation to and from the trial center, yet we had to pay for our own gas, transportation and our parking fees: the counseling and legal representation of the accused was paid for, while we had to pay for such services ourselves: the trial also caused us to miss work and have to make arrangements for baby sitters, additional costs. Yet all the while, the criminals were taken care of by the system. Certainly, these are all minor inconveniences in contrast to the suffering and grief brought upon us by Baljit’s murder. However we did not choose to be victims, nor did we choose to have to endure a painful trial process. The three convicted murderers, on the other hand, did make a choice, they chose to commit this horrific crime, and that is the choice that has affected our lives in this very negative manner. In fact, their choice will affect us (Baljit’s family) for the rest of our lives.

One would assume that for a crime bearing such devastating effects on the life of the victim and her family, there perpetrators would receive a punishment that bears equal weight on their lives. Granted, these murderers have all received life sentences. But what sort of punishment will they receive? Certainly, they are not free men: they must remain within prison, but how much of a punishment is that? Prisoners now have access to gyms, education, computers, videos, decent and regular meals, and ridiculous heating rebates. These are privileges that people on the street do not even enjoy. All this aside, the life sentences handed down to these men may not even run their full course. As mentioned earlier, all of these men will eventually have a chance of parole. Now this issue of parole is a complex issue, but does it not even sound a bit silly (or stupid) that someone handed a “life sentence” can be granted parole after a certain amount of years? The Canadian justice system seems to be more concerned about the rehabilitation of criminals that the punishment of criminals. That is, it does not seem to be as concerned with how dangerous a criminal is to society. Certainly, this is a worthy concern, however, the system must demonstrate that criminals will be held accountable for their actions.

This call to accountability must begin with the younger generation. Young people today know that the justice system is weak. They know that they can commit crimes and get away with it. The justice system must prove to them that choices create consequences. It must show them, and prove to them, that they will pay for their crimes. The system must do this for them; it must do this for the victims; it must do this for a free society. It may be difficult to get this across to and older generations. We could enjoy much more freedom in this country if we make come serious and thoughtful changes now.

We certainly would not want to see a family have to go through what our family has gone through. The terrible loss of Baljit is a great burden for us, but the very difficult trial process was also very heavy weight to endure. However, we have gained a different perspective of Canada’s justice system, albeit a frustrated one. Changes must be made. How many families will have to endure what we have endured before the victim’ voices are heard and changes are made?

The Kondolay Family
 
Bill, my sincere condolences for the loss you and your family have sufferred.
I retired in 1994 after over 30 years a trial judge in Oregon, and unfortunately most of what you say about the Canadian system applies here also. The last 7 to 10 years I was on the bench, it was very difficult for me to try to work with in the terribly up-side-down system where criminal rights were everything.
We have a great state (outside the Portland to Eugene I-5 corridor; all of that area is very liberal and it has most of the states population so that they control state wide elections completely-one can be elected to a state appellate Judges position ONLY if he or she is a liberal from that population area. . )These very liberal judges find any reason to set aside convictions. The legislature is constantly talking about being tough on criminals and all the time enacting statutes that are more and more criminal rights oriented,.

The end result is as you discribe--a system where the victim is forgotten in the rush to protect and coddle the criminals.

Best wishes to you and your family in getting through this terrible time.

Vaughn
 
Bill,

Best wishes to you and your family. I don't really know what to say not have experienced such a thing so far. I hope the healing doesn't take too long.

Vaughn,

California is trying to better the system, but having a hard time with it. The Rose Bird supreme court is history now. The one we have now is better about treating the criminals as criminals not poor sad victims. The "Three Strikes and You're Out" law is getting some of the predators off the streets. That's helping a lot. There are still a lot of "oh the poor victim" suits in court about that law but it seems to be holding up. Some of our so-all judges are resisting three strikes, but most of them do apply the law.

We are still waiting to see what the state court is going to do with the moron who killed the three women from Eureka in Yosemite. He got life from the feds for another murder. Maybe CA will put him on death row. The trial has been delayed again for a few months.

There is another local nut trucker who was killing women at truck stops waiting trial. This guy walked into the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office to give himself up with a woman's breast in his pocket.

I have a hard time with the lack of "speedy justice" in the courts. I guess the idea is to wait until the public forgets about it to go to trial. In the mean time we are spending a LOT of tax payers money on this swift justice business.

Sorry about the rant, but the so called justice system gets me going.


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Joe George
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[This message has been edited by Joe G. (edited 03-10-2001). ]
 
The justice system sucks everywhere,not just Canada. We need to return to the old school of justice... . where a life sentence was carried out with a rope and a tree.
 
As long as we have a prison system, the victims will continue to suffer. In ancient Israel, there were no prisons. A murder would pay with his life, a thief would repay his victim up to seven times the value of what he stole. That way the victim did not suffer a financial loss. If the thief could not pay, he would be sold into slavery. Other crimes such as rape, kidnapping etc usually received the death penalty. Another thing I liked about their old laws, a kid who was repeatedly disrespectful to their parents or elders would be stoned to death. A lot of the problems we have now can be traced to poor upbringing and disrepect for authority that never got corrected. In the newspaper here it was reported that it costs the state about $36000 a year to house one prisoner. We are paying for that with higher taxes and if the thief had stolen from you, you would suffer the financial loss then PAY for his food, housing, medical care and education thru your tax dollars. Money that could be better spend on public education and medical care. I know the government probably cannot get rid of the prison, but public caning like they do in Singapore will probably do a lot to correct the miscretants that prey on often times helpless victims. I am also all for Concealed Carry for law abiding citizens.
 
Doug,

That guy thru a couple of chopped up bodies in Ryan Slough up here. It's just down at the bottom the hill from where I live. Kinda ruins the safe and peacefull feeling you get from living in the country to say the least.
 
I saw a program recently where a group of scholars were discussing the Ten Commandments.
They were all of the opinion that thou shall not kill was never intended to include punishment.
I firmly believe in eye for eye myself.
 
Bill. . my heart goes out to you and your family. . you'll be in my prayers
I also believe in swift and just punishment. . eye for an eye type
 
Bill, I to am sorry about your family's loss. Nothing can bring her back but certainly the justice system could be more aware of victums rights and all the criminals need is a fair trial and after conviction NO RIGHTS other that 3 slops and a flop on cement beds. No TV, No phone,etc,etc; Librials are killing this country. What ever hapened to executing spies?? Over crowded prisions, the oldes moves out to the grave yard making room for the newcomers. We need less plea bargining and lawyers. We need to determine right from wrong. Sorry, I could go on and on but I sincerely hope those scumbags get worse than death.
 
Originally posted by Joe G. :

There is another local nut trucker who was killing women at truck stops waiting trial. This guy walked into the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office to give himself up with a woman's breast in his pocket.

First Off, Bill, I am Very Sorry to hear about your familys loss. I would be looking for some kind of revenge and To he!! with the courts and Mans law. The only law I Know and recken with is Gods Law, No Man Control's My Destiny, With that said. Once again, I am truely sorry for your loss, She is Gone, and the scumbag is still alive out on bail. BULL PUCKIE!. This is the kind of Justice system you get when you combine self serving touchy/feely moronic Lawers and Politicians that pass stupid idiotic politicly correct laws.
I say when the justice system fails, its time take corrective action.
When are people going to wake up and fight?


Joe G, That Scumbag trucker Thru that woman into the Aquaduct near Hwy58 close to where I work. It seems a lot of victims are thrown into the aquaduct. There have been over the past 6 years 6 bodies found close to the plant where I work.
Doug.
 
My sincerest condolences to the Kondolay family for the tragic loss of a loved one.


I too believe in an eye for an eye... and a life sentance should mean PERMANENT imprisonment without the possibility of parole.
 
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