CDL Needed? 17,000 pound tri axle

[HBarlow]

Aerial,

Wertles is a thoughtful guy and his post above represents another valid point of view.

But let's put his point of view in perspective. First, an '06 with 48RE automatic, 4. 10 gearss, PacBrake exhaust brake, and MaxBrake brake controller is a much different truck than your '99 with much less engine, 47RE washtub automatic, and 3. 54 gears. How many thousands of dollars would be required to make your truck equivalent for heavy towing and safe stopping? Don't know exactly but the number is large. Is it a worthwhile "investment" in an older truck? Only you can decide.

Two, how many miles has Wertles towed his trailer, how many miles has he towed any trailer, how many has he towed for comparison, and how many miles will he actually tow the monster he has? Will he tow it to a destination and park it for use during the summer season or will he tow it every weekend and on long vacations? Intended usage matters considerably.

How does his usage compare to yours?

If you, Aerial, plan only to tow the monster you are considering over relatively flat land to a summer destination and use it with your family all summer then tow it home and winterize it for the remainder of the year your truck might be adequate with extreme care.

Only you can weigh the facts and factors and decide. We're giving you the information.

 

[aerialimage]

I'm definitely going to sleep on it, It is just a really nice equipped trailer at about 1/3rd of book value. It is not perfect for our family as the dinette needs to be modified to convert to a bed to match our family. but the washer, dryer and fireplace are pretty cool options! It is clean and looks like it's all there. It could use 6 tires due to age and the awnings are trash from spending time in hot climates. We may pass on it due to the hefty weight but We have been thinking at this price if it did not work well for us we should have no problem selling it really cheap like we bought it. Then again in this economy It may still take many months to sell and our money would be tied up in it until we found a buyer looking for a very heavy full timer rig! Also I know in a month when the kids are back in school It will now just be a trailer sitting in the yard except for the rare weekend when we can get away with it. I know we want one now but We will get stuck paying full blown sales tax on the book value which adds another grand or more to the great purchase price. That is fine if the unit works for us but if not it's another grand in the thing sitting in our yard that didn't work out! I'll post an update when We decide.
As far as the truck goes it was babied almost all of it's life and I do know the first owner and saw how he cared for it. Even with that I do need to have a trans job done sometime due to the front band being worn from failure to adjust during it's life.
The truck has about 125K on it now and plows during winter.

 

[aerialimage]

Aerial,



Wertles is a thoughtful guy and his post above represents another valid point of view.



But let's put his point of view in perspective. First, an '06 with 48RE automatic, 4. 10 gearss, PacBrake exhaust brake, and MaxBrake brake controller is a much different truck than your '99 with much less engine, 47RE washtub automatic, and 3. 54 gears. How many thousands of dollars would be required to make your truck equivalent for heavy towing and safe stopping? Don't know exactly but the number is large. Is it a worthwhile "investment" in an older truck? Only you can decide.



Two, how many miles has Wertles towed his trailer, how many miles has he towed any trailer, how many has he towed for comparison, and how many miles will he actually tow the monster he has? Will he tow it to a destination and park it for use during the summer season or will he tow it every weekend and on long vacations? Intended usage matters considerably.



How does his usage compare to yours?



If you, Aerial, plan only to tow the monster you are considering over relatively flat land to a summer destination and use it with your family all summer then tow it home and winterize it for the remainder of the year your truck might be adequate with extreme care.



Only you can weigh the facts and factors and decide. We're giving you the information.

Yup I understand completely and both of you have excellent points, It is possible this could work for us but certainly is not ideal by many points. My truck Does already have the 4. 10 gears but the Trans is definitely the weak link. Also I am having trouble justifying The price of a good trans Job into the older truck with a 53 block! It is a nice truck that has had a good life, has just a little rust starting now even though it has been plowed gently since new. The door bottoms are 100% and the truck is a nice one but still a 99.

I recently did the Injector pump and Lift pump so Pretty much the Trans is coming at some point!

 

[CUMMINZ]

One of the issues that would help simplify our discussions here are for everyone that asks questions as to their truck and towing and weight issues.



First state whether you are towing for RECREATION or misc. loads.



That very point will help the gurus here with your question.



If you are towing a rig that is for recreation USDOT says that you fall under different guidelines. They can not by law ask or demand you to enter scales ANYWHERE to check your weight unless your rig looks way out of complience as to safety. Such as the bumper three nches from the ground.



Issues change when the stamped GVW of your trailer (not RV) is over 10,001#s. If you are pulling an unloaded gooseneck with a stamped GVW of 20k you better follow the rules.



In my case several years ago I was pulling a dual axle trailer loaded with heavy material and my total weight was 19k. My truck was only licensed for 12k. The 12k is OK for pulling my RV with total rig weight of 26-27k but when I detached my RV and hooked to the flat trailer loaded was a different story.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

HBarlow,



I was just in a round about way stating that "Joe Six-Pack" pulling a camping trailer would most likely not be harassed for not having a CDL!



ALL states are different with the registration/licensing requirements of THEIR residents.



Would it be fair for me to be issued a citation for being "overweight" while on vacation when MY state will not allow me to register for the GVWR of an empty truck?? My '92 W-350 GVWR is 10,100 for the EMPTY truck and my 39' toyhauler is rated at 15,000... Total would be 25,100 (under the "magic" 26,001 that requires a CDL). A truck plate is only good for 10,000 and that's it.



Point is that I cannot register for the combined weight of both (or the EMPTY truck by itself) without having a commercial plate which would require purchase of a trip permit outside of the state.



While I was licensed in UT, I could pay for the extra weight bump from 12,000 up to 26,000 and be 100% legal for the combined weight.



Just keep in mind that the 'laws' are interpreted differently by each police/DOT officer (boils down to a persons attitude while stopped) and MOST of them won't even bother to check out an RV unless it or the tow rig has a DOT# or transporter plates.



Some things are different however, The guy pulling a 10' wide boat still needs to have an oversize permit, but a CDL is not always required for the average guy that IS NOT doing it for a profit!



That said, someone towing a goose-neck trailer with a backhoe, Bobcat, or heavy "landscaping" equipment raises a red flag that would cause a stir because it could be interpreted as a "business" and "for profit" and thus, falls into the requirement to have a CDL and be registered for whatever the GCVWR happens to be.

 

[HBarlow]

Mikey,

I don't understand much of what you are saying. You repeatedly mentioned registering for the combined weight of your truck and trailer. Why do that? Ordinarily, most states register all trucks and all trailers for their actual or rated maximum weight. I don't think you are familiar with DOT rules.

I have spoken of registering my trucks in the past for 26k only because I was hauling commercially, was pulling new unregistered trailers on which no weight tax had been paid.

All state vehicle codes are based on US DOT regulations. The only thing state legislatures can change is their own licensing and registration methods for their own residents.

It doesn't make sense to register a truck or trailer for it's empty weight. If you do, you will be in violation the first time you load either for use. If your home state appears to ignore the rules it may be only because you haven't operated on the highways and come to their attention.

Any time your vehicles, tow or towed, are registered for less than they actually weigh when loaded you are subject to enforcement action. Another state could ticket you for overweight or require you to obtain an overweight permit up to your actual weight.

Your reminder that I should "keep in mind ... ... . " I have been there and done it in the real world. I really don't need to be reminded how the system works. I have experienced it many times.

Again, the operative word is "commercial" not "for-profit. " Pulling a flatbed gooseneck trailer loaded with some else's backhoe for payment would be commercial activity for-profit. Hauling my own backhoe as part of my dirt moving business is commercial activity, not for-hire. Each requires a CDL A if combined actual or rated weight exceeds 26,000 lbs. (not 26,001 lbs. ) and if the trailer exceeds 10k lbs.

Anyone operating on the highways can and occasionally is subjected to scale weighing. RV operators are not exempt from the laws. They are only exempt from the requirement to have a CDL, keep logs, etc. RV owners are indeed subject to weight limits, can be weighed if DOT wants to spend time on them, and can be ticketed or placed out of service.

The reality is that DOT officers are so busy with commercial haulers they don't usually have time or interest in private RVers so RV owners are often but not always ignored.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Mikey,



I don't understand much of what you are saying. You repeatedly mentioned registering for the combined weight of your truck and trailer. Why do that? Ordinarily, most states register all trucks and all trailers for their actual or rated maximum weight. I don't think you are familiar with DOT rules.



I have spoken of registering my trucks in the past for 26k only because I was hauling commercially, was pulling new unregistered trailers on which no weight tax had been paid.



All state vehicle codes are based on US DOT regulations. The only thing state legislatures can change is their own licensing and registration methods for their own residents.



It doesn't make sense to register a truck or trailer for it's empty weight. If you do, you will be in violation the first time you load either for use. If your home state appears to ignore the rules it may be only because you haven't operated on the highways and come to their attention.



Any time your vehicles, tow or towed, are registered for less than they actually weigh when loaded you are subject to enforcement action. Another state could ticket you for overweight or require you to obtain an overweight permit up to your actual weight.



Your reminder that I should "keep in mind ... ... . " I have been there and done it in the real world. I really don't need to be reminded how the system works. I have experienced it many times.



Again, the operative word is "commercial" not "for-profit. " Pulling a flatbed gooseneck trailer loaded with some else's backhoe for payment would be commercial activity for-profit. Hauling my own backhoe as part of my dirt moving business is commercial activity, not for-hire. Each requires a CDL A if combined actual or rated weight exceeds 26,000 lbs. (not 26,001 lbs. ) and if the trailer exceeds 10k lbs.



Anyone operating on the highways can and occasionally is subjected to scale weighing. RV operators are not exempt from the laws. They are only exempt from the requirement to have a CDL, keep logs, etc. RV owners are indeed subject to weight limits, can be weighed if DOT wants to spend time on them, and can be ticketed or placed out of service.

The reality is that DOT officers are so busy with commercial haulers they don't usually have time or interest in private RVers so RV owners are often but not always ignored.

HB,



I think you need to clarify this statement a little. My truck is titled for 16k in NC. My truck and RV depending on how I have loaded it on a particular trip weighs from 25k to 27k. I am legal in NC. By USDOT regulations I do not by law have to enter an NC weight station nor can HP in NC require me to roll my rig onto a set of their portable scales. Since my 5er has a GVW over 10k I am required to have a class A NC drivers license (Not CDL). The over 26k I am not completely sure about but since it is an RV for recreational vehicle I am exempt from CDL. No RV motorcoach in NC are required to have CDL but class A drivers lecense if used for recreation... Large RV motorcoach used by Dale Jr. s race team maybe different story.

 

[HBarlow]

Cumminz,

How do you know you are legal? Does your RV trailer have a license plate? I don't know any details about NC vehicle registration but normally your trailer license plate requires you to pay a new or renewal fee based in part on weight. Your trailer should be registered for its GVWR as should your truck. If you have not paid weight fees in your home state perhaps they simply do not require the tax but technically, if your truck and trailer are not registered and you have not paid taxes based on weight other states could weigh your rig and cite you or require you to pay a weight permit to transit their state.

You are simply mistaken when you say that by "USDOT regulations (you) do not have to enter a NC weigh staation and NC cannot require you to weigh. "

NC, like other states, usually ignores RVs simply because of limits imposed by the volume of commercial traffic and the numbers of officers available. NC DOT has all the authority they need to pull you over to inspect your vehicles, weigh them if they wish, and issue you a citation if you are overweight, under registered, or for any other violation.

Lots of folks mistakenly assume that because they are private RVers and ignored by their states LEOs they are following the law and are completely legal when they are nowhere close to operating within the law. They are just allowed to get away with it because state and local officials don't really know, because the state is not aware of all the tax revenue they are overlooking, or due to politics - not wanting to anger a large segment of the voting population.

Many states are currently experiencing fiscal problems. Many are aware of and considering paying more attention to RVers now. Many states are now requiring additional training and special driver licenses for RVers towing large trailers or driving large motorhomes. It would not surprise me at all to see states begin more serious enforcement of rules and regulations on personal RVers.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

It doesn't make sense to register a truck or trailer for it's empty weight. If you do, you will be in violation the first time you load either for use. If your home state appears to ignore the rules it may be only because you haven't operated on the highways and come to their attention.



Any time your vehicles, tow or towed, are registered for less than they actually weigh when loaded you are subject to enforcement action. Another state could ticket you for overweight or require you to obtain an overweight permit up to your actual weight.

That was my whole reason for asking about registering for the "proper" weight when I got my first WY plate! The EMPTY truck is rated at 10,100 and the MAX on a regular truck plate is 10,000!!! So, I'm 'technically' out of compliance even with an empty truck



Think about this one: '91 Pete cab-over rated for 55,000 and a Brenner tanker rated at 75,000 which equals 130,000 GCVWR and I'm only able to 'legally' register the combo for 80,000... Am I "overweight" with this combination even if I never exceed 80k??? I can't even register the combination for more than 117,000 without having more axles and being longer to meet the bridge table.



Point is that it all boils down to a particular officer's interpretation of GVW, GVWR, and CGVWR, and actual weight going over the scale as to whether the polite gentleman gets let go or the total jerk gets the book thrown at em'



One of my personal experiences was with my '93 D-250 (rated at 8,510) registered in UT for 26,000 while towing a 3 axle boat trailer rated at 21,000. I rolled across the scale at 12,500 actual weight, but was cited for what the stickers added up to (26,510) and the charge was "operating a commercial vehicle without CDL class A" at the Loma port near Grand Jct. CO



It was later thrown out by the DA (before the judge seen it). He stated that he didn't see anywhere in the book that said I needed a CDL to pull a boat trailer with a pickup. And later told me that I would've been talking to the judge if I had a 'bad attitude' when receiving the ticket!

 

[HBarlow]

That was my whole reason for asking about registering for the "proper" weight when I got my first WY plate! The EMPTY truck is rated at 10,100 and the MAX on a regular truck plate is 10,000!!! So, I'm 'technically' out of compliance even with an empty truck !

What does "the EMPTY truck" mean? Are you saying the posted GVWR of your truck is 10,100 lbs? That's not the empty weight. The truck probably weighs approximately 7,500 lbs. empty. Your GVWR is 10,100 lbs.

That doesn't make you out of compliance if you're towing your own trailer. Your personally owned trailer must have a license plate and be registered for its max GVWR also. Did you previously mention a commercial plate? Some states say that all dually trucks are commercial therefore required to be registered as commercial. Does that open up greater weight limits?

Think about this one: '91 Pete cab-over rated for 55,000 and a Brenner tanker rated at 75,000 which equals 130,000 GCVWR and I'm only able to 'legally' register the combo for 80,000... Am I "overweight" with this combination even if I never exceed 80k??? I can't even register the combination for more than 117,000 without having more axles and being longer to meet the bridge table. !

Huh? That makes no sense. Your subject truck and trailer are apparently rated by the manufacturer for 55k and 75k respectively. You can register and operate at up to 80k lbs. but your state apparently limits max weight to 80k. I don't understand your question.

Point is that it all boils down to a particular officer's interpretation of GVW, GVWR, and CGVWR, and actual weight going over the scale as to whether the polite gentleman gets let go or the total jerk gets the book thrown at em'!

No, it doesn't. It boils down to what the law says and whether everyone understands the law or does not. Yes, certainly a pleasant attitude in a scale house or when stopped alongside the road can help but the law is still the law. I flew through a small unincorporated town with no police officers in a tiny rural community yesterday pulling an enclosed car hauler. The speed limit was 55 and I ignored it and left my cruise control set on 65. I was surprised when a sheriff's deputy lighted me up. He had me so I quickly pulled over well off the highway and stopped before he even turned around and came after me. I greeted him cordially and handed over my license (and CHL license), insurance, and registration when asked. No argument, no denials, no excuses. He went back to his car and checked me out on his computer and returned. He gave me a polite verbal warning and I thanked him VERY sincerely and went on my way. He could have nailed me and should have.

One of my personal experiences was with my '93 D-250 (rated at 8,510) registered in UT for 26,000 while towing a 3 axle boat trailer rated at 21,000. I rolled across the scale at 12,500 actual weight, but was cited for what the stickers added up to (26,510) and the charge was "operating a commercial vehicle without CDL class A" at the Loma port near Grand Jct. CO!

Who owned the trailer? Were you hauling it for-hire? Of course you were required to have a CDL A. The way the USDOT code reads is (paraphrased from memory) actual or rated weight. What this means is if you are hauling for-hire you can do it without a CDL A AS LONG AS you stay under actual and rated weight. The way DOT looks at is the rig cannot weigh or be capable of weighing over 26,000 lbs. Your gross combined weight rating was 8,510 + 21,000 = 29,510 lbs. You were 3,510 lbs. over what was allowed for a non CDL driver. That is from the USDOT code.

It was later thrown out by the DA (before the judge seen it). He stated that he didn't see anywhere in the book that said I needed a CDL to pull a boat trailer with a pickup. And later told me that I would've been talking to the judge if I had a 'bad attitude' when receiving the ticket!

Unless you owned the boat and trailer registered in your name the case was only thrown out because the DA was clueless. He had no idea what USDOT regs say. His ignorance saved you from a big ticket. He was dead wrong.

When DOT looks at a non CDL driver hauling commercial they check actual scale weights AND the GVWR of truck and trailer. That's the law.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Cumminz,



How do you know you are legal? Does your RV trailer have a license plate? I don't know any details about NC vehicle registration but normally your trailer license plate requires you to pay a new or renewal fee based in part on weight. Your trailer should be registered for its GVWR as should your truck. If you have not paid weight fees in your home state perhaps they simply do not require the tax but technically, if your truck and trailer are not registered and you have not paid taxes based on weight other states could weigh your rig and cite you or require you to pay a weight permit to transit their state.



You are simply mistaken when you say that by "USDOT regulations (you) do not have to enter a NC weigh staation and NC cannot require you to weigh. "



NC, like other states, usually ignores RVs simply because of limits imposed by the volume of commercial traffic and the numbers of officers available. NC DOT has all the authority they need to pull you over to inspect your vehicles, weigh them if they wish, and issue you a citation if you are overweight, under registered, or for any other violation.



Lots of folks mistakenly assume that because they are private RVers and ignored by their states LEOs they are following the law and are completely legal when they are nowhere close to operating within the law. They are just allowed to get away with it because state and local officials don't really know, because the state is not aware of all the tax revenue they are overlooking, or due to politics - not wanting to anger a large segment of the voting population.



Many states are currently experiencing fiscal problems. Many are aware of and considering paying more attention to RVers now. Many states are now requiring additional training and special driver licenses for RVers towing large trailers or driving large motorhomes. It would not surprise me at all to see states begin more serious enforcement of rules and regulations on personal RVers.

My truck is tagged for the load of truck itself and any vehicle behind it. In NC ANY trailer no matter of GVW has tag because it is a trailer. GVW does not matter. Taxes are paid according to tax value payable once a year at local tax office.



Other info to come. I'll have to do some research.

 

[HBarlow]

My truck is tagged for the load of truck itself and any vehicle behind it. In NC ANY trailer no matter of GVW has tag because it is a trailer. GVW does not matter. Taxes are paid according to tax value payable once a year at local tax office.

Other info to come. I'll have to do some research.

Well, if the truck registration is required to cover the combination weight in NC it should be pretty obvious to you your rig is not within ten thousand pounds of legal.

Obviously your truck should be registered for 26 or 27,000 lbs. whatever you said the combined gross weight of your truck and trailer are.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

I was actually expecting you to pick the entire post apart :-laf

Huh? That makes no sense. Your subject truck and trailer are apparently rated by the manufacturer for 55k and 75k respectively. You can register and operate at up to 80k lbs. but your state apparently limits max weight to 80k. I don't understand your question.

The point with this one was that damn near EVERY over the road truck is technically "overweight" by the GCVWR while being registered for 80k! That is the highest weight allowed without needing special permits for ANY state!

What does "the EMPTY truck" mean? Are you saying the posted GVWR of your truck is 10,100 lbs? That's not the empty weight. The truck probably weighs approximately 7,500 lbs. empty. Your GVWR is 10,100 lbs.

The 'empty' truck (my personal '92 W-350 not towing anything) weighed in at 11,150 while going over the scales at the Echo port in UT (just out of curiosity). It was just the truck with a full fuel cell, a toolbox, and all of the other "necessary junk" that I had at the time.

The case was only thrown out because the DA was cluesless. He had no idea what USDOT regs say. His ignorance saved you from a big ticket. He was dead wrong.



When DOT looks at a non CDL driver hauling commercial they check actual scale weights AND the GVWR of truck and trailer. That's the law.

Since I was indeed hauling for a profit at the time, I agree 100% and was also planning on pleading guilty because I knew better. I got lucky and was let off simply because I had a good attitude. I did however obtain a CDL afterwards

 

[CUMMINZ]

Well, if the truck registration is required to cover the combination weight in NC it should be pretty obvious to you your rig is not within ten thousand pounds of legal.



Obviously your truck should be registered for 26 or 27,000 lbs. whatever you said the combined gross weight of your truck and trailer are.

HB, Let me say it again. If I am towing an RV for play I do not need to cover weight of RV. PERIOD

 

[CUMMINZ]

http://www.unlimitedawnings.com/mstp.pdf

 

[HBarlow]

I was actually expecting you to pick the entire post apart :-laf



The point with this one was that damn near EVERY over the road truck is technically "overweight" by the GCVWR while being registered for 80k! That is the highest weight allowed without needing special permits for ANY state!



The 'empty' truck (my personal '92 W-350 not towing anything) weighed in at 11,150 while going over the scales at the Echo port in UT (just out of curiosity). It was just the truck with a full fuel cell, a toolbox, and all of the other "necessary junk" that I had at the time.



Since I was indeed hauling for a profit at the time, I agree 100% and was also planning on pleading guilty because I knew better. I got lucky and was let off simply because I had a good attitude. I did however obtain a CDL afterwards

Mikey,

Your position and claims change with every new post. You make a false claim in one post and I show you it is wrong and you change your story and post again.

What makes you think that big trucks capable of hauling more are illegal when only allowed to register and haul 80k? That is a nonsensical statement. It makes no difference how much weight margin the truck has in excess of carried loads. If 80k is the limit allowed by law and they are registered for 80k and hauling 80k they are legal.

Okay, so your truck actually weighed 11,150 lbs. I'm not going to spend time doing your homework for you but I am certain that the state of WY has a plate appropriate for the weight of your truck. It may be a commercial plate, but it is not illegal or WY would not register it for that weight. I think you are confused or confusing some details which you are not sharing.

 

[CUMMINZ]

Page 39.



http://www.unlimitedawnings.com/mstp.pdf



Types of Licenses,

Permits and

Certifications

North Carolina has a regular

driver license system and a

commercial driver license

(CDL). The type of vehicle

you will operate determines

the class of driver license

you must have and the

type vehicle in which you

must take the driving skills test. The driving

skills test must be performed in a vehicle

representative of the class license desired.



Non CDL

Regular Licenses

Class A — Required to operate any

combination of vehicles exempt from CDL

requirements with a gross vehicle weight

rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more,

provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being

towed is greater than 10,000 pounds.

Class B — Required to operate any single

vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or

more that is exempt from CDL requirements, or

any such vehicle while towing another vehicle

with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less.

Class C — Required to operate any single

vehicle that is not carrying hazardous material

in quantities required to be placarded or is

designed to carry no more than 15 passengers

including the driver with a GVWR of less

Tip —

Three-Point

Turnabout

(1) Start from the

extreme right side

of the road. Look

for other traffic and

if clear, give a left

signal and proceed

forward slowly

while turning the

steering wheel to

the left. Stop within

several inches of

the left curb or

edge of the street.

(2) Then proceed

backward slowly

while turning the

steering wheel to the

right. Stop within

several inches of the

right curb or edge

of the street.

(3) Proceed forward

slowly while

turning the steering

wheel to the left.

This should

complete your

turnabout. If not,

repeat the above

procedures.

Chapter 1 — Your License

12

than 26,001 pounds; or any vehicle towing a

vehicle which has a combined GVWR of less

than 26,001 pounds operated by a driver at

least eighteen years old. Most drivers need

only a Regular Class C license to operate

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

HBarlow, I would encourage you to read them again!



I merely stated that the GCVWR of my '92 W-350 is 10,100 and that MY state will only register it for 10,000 and is "overweight" by definition by NOT registering for what's rated on the sticker inside the door. Toss in a few things and just a regular old pickup (without a trailer) is 'illegal' by law.



I NEVER contradicted myself in ANY statement or post since I own all but the tanker I mentioned above.



Since receiving the citation back in '01, I pay attention to the sticker on the door and on ANY trailer I hook up to regardless of being commercial or not.



I was cited in CO for being "overweight" just due to what the stickers added up to and NOT for the actual weight on the ground!! Taking the SAME thing in to account, I looked at the weight rating of my '91 Pete and the tanker hooked to it and by the same rules would yield an "overweight" citation if the #'s were added up the same way.

 

[Powder Extreme]

/popcorn :-laf :-{}





Another good o'le "I know more about the laws than you do, nya nya nya nya !" thread!



Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[CUMMINZ]

RVs require no CDL in NC

The type vehicles listed below do not require the operator to possess

a CDL. However, a non-CDL Class A or B license may still be

required:1. 8: Exemptions and Waivers• Vehicles used for personal use such as recreational vehicles.

• Vehicles owned or operated by the Department of Defense,

including the National Guard, while they are driven by active duty

military personnel, or members of the National Guard when on

active duty, in the pursuit of military purposes.

• Any vehicle when used as firefighting or emergency equipment for

the purpose of preserving life or property or to execute emergency

governmental functions.

• Farm vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:

- Controlled and operated by the farmer or the farmer's

employee and used exclusively for farm use,

- Used to transport either agricultural products, farm machinery,

or farm supplies, both to and from a farm,

- Not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier,

and

- Used within 150 miles of the farmer's farm.