Cell Phone Tower Question

[BIGNASTY]

Has anyone ever had anything to do with Cell Phone towers?

We have been contacted by a company that want's to, RENT a corner of our property to install a cell phone tower. I have noticed them running around town with a stupid looking van with a raise-able tower, like a TV remote transmitter. They have been stopping by at the corner of our property and running up this tower with a dish on it, then move to another spot and do the same thing.

Being the A** H*** that iam I went and asked them what the hell is going on? they told me that they are looking for a new tower spot to upgrade service.

This has been going on for a couple of weeks, Today we were out installing our new gate at the drive and a car pulled up a guy and gal got out introduced themselves and asked if the owner is available so they could talk to them? I asked them about what? He said we would like to talk about that with the property owner not a hired hand, im sure that you can understand that. Well if your trying to sell something I don't think that they are interested at all. I can understand your reluctance to get the owner for us, being an employee you must be told to keep people away. But we really need to talk to the owner not a hired hand.

With the gate in place I pulled off my Glove and shook his hand, told him im the owner and if your selling I DON'T WANT ANY, thank you. If your going to give me money for something with the attitude you have just shown, I want more!! He told me that I don't even know what he was going to talk about. I told him that he's looking to install another tower, those things are most always line-of-sight unless its changed since I wondered about it awhile ago, see-in as we are the ones that own the property on the turn in the hwy here, you need to install a tower on our land, so it lines up with the tower yonder on the hill, Stop me if im wrong here Please!! so with all the B*** S*** out of the way can we get down to HOW MUCH, WILL IT AFFECT ANYTHING ELECTRONIC OF MINE, WILL I GET FREE CELL PHONE And if this does happen I want a Cell Tower that looks like a pine tree, I don't want my view to look industrial

She said while my associate pulls his foot out of his mouth maybe we could talk about this? I said sure the little lady walking up the drive and that Gentlemen operating the tractor, talk to them, she is my wife and he is my Father-in-law they know more about all this than me, Im just the hired hand :-laf

My question is will this tower affect ANYTHING OF MINE, TV, Satellite Radio, Satellite Internet, ANYTHING? they have a few of these along the hwy and you can hardly tell them from a real pine tree.

Any Help on this would be great


Thanks BIG

 

[CBari]

It shouldn't affect anything but if it is a cell tower I would be asking for unlimited data usage so you could do away with the satellite internet. The contract negotiations can become very unique in these land lease options that they are wanting to do. Ask for everything all they can do is say no and you can do the same. It sounds like you have the spot they want and need so you got them over a barrel so to speak.

 

[RikDavis]

I would not expect a cell operation to bother anything of yours I am now too many years away from the two way radio business to have any idea what a lease on the corner of your land would be worth for a tower site.

One thing I would ask though is whether they will be leasing tower space to any one else and who gets the revenue if they do. Tower space rental can be very lucrative. No harm in trying for free cell service etc also

 

[BIGNASTY]

The thing that really bothers me is the thought of my Off Grid Power set-up. I have a call into a guy in our Off Grid club that's in ID, he's REALLY!! into all this kind of thing. I do know that some of our power system is pretty sensitive last time we had a BIG Solar Flare it sent one of my system controllers off line, Didn't hurt anything just had to reset it, im sure that these towers are sending some powerful RF signals out.

FIL is having his attorneys look over what is in the lease agreement. I was outside working, they were talking to the wife and FIL inside everyone in the family would be getting all and any future services FOR FREE.

Will have to tell them about other folks using the tower and your thoughts on that THANKS for that info.

Would the internet service on Cell Phone be better than my HughesNet Gen4 satellite, Faster? just as fast? or slower?

The price that they are willing to pay out was enough for a beer or two Oo.

 

[CBari]

On the internet it depends who the tower provider is and what type it is to be. It should be close to or better than the HughesNet without the huge lag
that satellite ISP have.

 

[GCroyle]

BIG,

How do run into this crap and not have it on YouTube by now? I mean the RV'r a while back and now semi-city-slicker-seller type. Geeze you gotta capitalize on these for us bystanders.

Hi Penny, hope all's well.

Gary

 

[BIGNASTY]

BIG,

How do run into this crap and not have it on YouTube by now? I mean the RV'r a while back and now semi-city-slicker-seller type. Geeze you gotta capitalize on these for us bystanders.

Hi Penny, hope all's well.

Gary

Gary

Gail has a video camera and is quite good at working with it. He captures something most everyday in our lives. There is some amazing footage of Calf birthing that he did and shows him helping several cows give birth, we STILL!! laugh about what he says on that one. We are getting ready for our Cattle Round up and Calf branding last year the men couldn't rope one, Gail went and tackled it tossed it on the ground told them to hurry up because his Beer was getting warm. There is no doubt that he will be recording that!!! Then off to His place in the world, Hunting and Packing without question he's going to record that. The problem that You and others have is to get him to put them out for viewing. There is a point that he becomes VERY PRIVATE and that is where he draws the line. For the Family his videos are Extremely!! entertaining, the bonus of video is his commentary about what he's recording. His view of the world may be a bit clouded with the written word but to hear him say what he's thinking and its connotation is better than any sitcom, he has been told that he should put it on Youtube, look at most of the videos would YOU want to be lumped in with those?


HE DOESN'T


Penny

 

[jhenderson]

If it was me I'd be sure to get all the details on access. They'll need a right of way for install and maint. If they put a truck road through yor pasture or hay field it's going to cut into your production. It takes a good road to get a crane in and set up. My buddy is going through this now with a LARGE wind turbine. The right of way will be 4-5 times the square footage of the turbine footprint and they didn't want to pay for that. In the end I believe they will. Hope it works out for you. Jeff

 

[E7mack96]

My parents own 400 acres on the Ohio side of the Ohio / Indiana state line and the cell company put a tower on the top of the property. they put in a road too.. My parents could not get free services at all.. but get about $800 a month for the tower. How much are they offering you??

 

[p-Bar]

My friend in Fallbrook Ca. gets a couple grand a month . Not bad I'll take two

 

[Bob4x4]

In both Fullerton and fraiser park they are paying 10k per month

 

[E7mack96]

man, that is smoking good! I would love to have one of those deals

 

[AEdelheit]

I know someone with a tower in Santa Rosa, Ca. They get $5k a month for a having a tower in there vineyard, that's a nice little check every month!

 

[Bob V]

I don't know who owns what property where you are at but you could end up looking at it every day on someone else's property and not get a dime. I would agree, no free sevices, and the way things change these days you could end up with a lot of free worthless service's anyway. I know a few people that have them and have had no problems, and extra $$$ EVERY month for doing nothing is good. I would be willing to bet that it will be the most profitable section of land you have.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Price's are in the ball park that they are willing to pay except for the 800 dollar one. Mr jhenderson, this is my concern, I DON'T want them on my property any more than what they have to be in order to install the tower. I wont be able to see it from the house, barn, shop we would have to go to the hwy and look to see it.

Bob V your right about it being on someone else's property, they mentioned that the tower needed to be in this area because of the mountains. The wise A** guy said that we have contacted the adjoining property owners and they are in the running for the lease also, so waiting around might not be in our best interest. Really??? So which property owners to the North, South or across the hwy? He said that he was not at liberty to say which ones. Well if its ANY OF THEM!!! Meet Mr. North he's my FIL, Meet Mr. South he's my BIL, Meet Mr. Across the hwy he's also my BIL :-laf our family owns the land for 2 miles in that direction and 3 in the other!! I asked the lady not to bring this guy with her I don't like him he try's to BS me thinking that im some kind of hick. And Every time he makes me feel bad THE PRICE GOES UP!! And worst of all he called me Tex!! You should yell pretty loud buddy cause Tex lives about 2000 miles south of here and he's kind a hard of hearing

Asked the lady to contact these people and gave her the card of some attorneys, there are a lot of issues that are of way more concern than just a construction road put across my land. If someone should get hurt working on it, run off the road and hit it, if something should fall off in the super high winds and hurt someone or damage property. In today's world with people sue-happy who is the first or second one they go for? THE PROPERTY OWNER!! Was told that most of these things are installed by one company and then when the lease runs out on it in 5 years they sell it off to the multiple users of the tower. This is NOT a bad thing for the property owner, IF THE LEASE IS WRITTEN CORRECTLY, It could be that they want to renegotiate the price of the lease, often that is a price increase. To tear it down and rebuild another at today's cost's it would be way cheaper to pay more for the existing lease, than to spend hundreds of thousands to tear down the tower restore the property to its original condition and then rebuild it all in another spot. Any of these and a LOT MORE ISSUES are of concern that ALL have to be in the lease agreement or someone LIKE THE LAND OWNER could get dry humped.

 

[AnOldBiker]

Theres an old farmer that agreed to one of these contracts, but insisted that in the agreement, they accept all financial responsibility for anything that happens on the easement, say like injury or environmental issues AND that when they decide they want out of the contract or the contract ends by either party, THEY will remove all installed equipment and restore the land to it's original state. This way when they or he decides it's time to end the contract, he isn't stuck with underground wires / piping and such, plus it's back to bare land again. (it was a working field at the start with no underground utilities and such). Also, it the land owner sells for any reason, the contact is transferable.

Just a thought.

 

[TJJEEPER]

Big, The power they put out isn't that high. Somewhere around 5 watts. No sense in putting power out to connect to something (cell phone) that you can't hear. Connecting is a two way street. If you hear the tower but the tower doesn't hear you it's useless. That's why the low power.
I seriously doubt the signal will interfere with anything you have at the property EXCEPT possibly the wireless to the gate. I seriously doubt it would but...Get a note in the contract that they will provide remediation for any interference. Another consideration is they usually put a genset on site to provide service when the power is out. Will you hear it?

Most providers won't give you free service but will pay you for the property use handsomely. Apply that to what you would pay for the service to provide you the internet connection. Then figure the savings from disconnecting from Hughes Net (if that's what you are using).

I spent a part of my life on towers doing microwave point to point and mobile radio repeaters. It's not rocket science and they install reliable stuff.

I'd take the money and run...
Greg

 

[BIGNASTY]

We went out to dinner last night with the attorney's that are on our side we know them as friends so im pretty sure that they are NOT going to BS us. We have a sit down with the cell tower company Monday to talk about this (without the smart A** guy) there's lots that a nose picker like me has no idea about. Im just glad to have someone on my side that understands all the big words and BS.

The tower will be one of the ones that look like a tree, that's not even an option its the state, county or? that requires that. There is a little building that goes along with the tower. I suppose its like you said a Gen set and or supporting equipment to run the thing. On the way home from dinner we stopped by one of the towers that's on the road. the building is Maybe 20x20 and it had a chain link fence around it tucked back into the trees so it could hardly be seen from the Hwy. Hwy 83 is a Montana Scenic Hwy, we all kid California about the Green Peace weenies they have, but im inclined to think we have just as many per capita as they do here in NW Montana.

It would have to be a Very loud gen set for us to hear anything more than a hum, Trucks run the Hwy and have Jake Brakes on (not supposed to its a fine) and sometimes if things are just right we can hear them. It would be at the very corner of the property and the hwy as are most of them, I think that's for ease of winter access. To go out across the front pasture of ours in the dead of winter would be quite an undertaking with a truck.


http://www.montanascenicloop.com/do_the_loop/map.php


http://www.montanascenicloop.com/communities/seeleylake.php

 

[fest3er]

Compensation (rent) usually directly correlates with amount of traffic; the more traffic the cell carries, the more the carrier is willing to pay. But sometimes, a low-traffic cell may pay more if it fills in an RF gap (sometimes called a 'black hole').

Cell phones rarely put out more than 600mW these days. But rural base stations can emit 150W or more (+53dBm), depending on how much area they must cover and how well situated the cell is. Even large urban cells can emit high power; but urban operators keep moving to smaller and smaller cells to maximize the number of available channels they have for paying customers. Fill-in cells (like many urban micro- and pico-cells, and maybe like the cell they want to put on your land) are most often low power since they need fill in a small area.

Cellular traffic is most often in the 850-950MHz and 1800-1900MHz bands (and sometimes in the 2300-2400MHz range). In all the GSM testing I did, I never heard of a cell tower interfering with other equipment. Interfering with other users of those frequencies, yes; Motorola had been known to step on the Ill. State Police frequencies now and again in the early days of GSM development. Remember that power costs money, and cellular operators don't like spending money they don't have to, so they operate at the lowest reasonable power level. Also, today's receivers operate in what was pure noise 40 years ago. Last I knew, cell phone and base stations could easily operate in the -90 to -120 dBm power levels (provided interference is controlled); this means transmitted power requirements are much lower. Finally, CDMA requires that all cellphones reach the tower at the same power level; phones near the tower will transmit at very low power, while phones far away will transmit at maximum power.

Unless they are installing a high-power, large-area tower, you probably have almost nothing to worry about. And if it's a high-power, large-area tower, it'll take up more than 'a small corner' of your lot.

 

[Bob4x4]

The building they constructed at the Fullerton location was a 12 x 12 built with a very nice looking block.The most noise was from the a/c unit requirde to keep the electronics cool.There was a Gen set for back up power but we had reliable power at the location.