Changed Turbo on a "610"

[BILLUA]

I am wondering if anyone else has changed their turbo out on a 2005 "610" engine only.



It seems that the boost sensor in the stock turbo must somehow be placated. I am wondering what you have done to make this little annoyance happy.



The issue that I have running a aftermarket turbo is every once a under boost code will be triggered and the engine goes into limp mode. I have to use a obd 2 to erase and then start the truck several times to clear the code...



It only happens every once in a while. I know that on this engine "610" that sensor needs to actually read boost to prevent this code 0299



Thanks, Bill

 

[lmills]

I unscrewed my sensor out of the turbo and have it hanging off the frame rail plugged into the harness. Works good and sets no codes. HT turbo has a plug in code elimnator that will take the place of the sensor and keep it from throwing codes.

 

[BILLUA]

Imills, thanks for the info. I do have a plug in there from EDGE, but it just looks like a plug with the wire looped through it, nothing special... I will contact Paul at HTTB



Regards, Bill

 

[Tomeygun]

I am wondering if anyone else has changed their turbo out on a 2005 "610" engine only.



It seems that the boost sensor in the stock turbo must somehow be placated. I am wondering what you have done to make this little annoyance happy.



The issue that I have running a aftermarket turbo is every once a under boost code will be triggered and the engine goes into limp mode. I have to use a obd 2 to erase and then start the truck several times to clear the code...



It only happens every once in a while. I know that on this engine "610" that sensor needs to actually read boost to prevent this code...



Thanks, Bill

I think peirs has an electronic device that plugs in and make it "happy"

 

[jwilliams3]

Yeah just leave it plugged in and zipped tied out of they.

Never a problem here.

 

[BILLUA]

Okay gentlemen New issue. Does anyone have their stock downpipe sill intact the I might be able to purchase?



Thanks, BIll

 

[RichardTaylor]

Hey Bill, Yes I do have my stock down tube it's from an 03 4X4 quad cab and has 21,000 miles on it and is in like new condition. I just put in a turbo back Magnaflow system so I have the whole stock system available.



Thanks, Rich

 

[AK RAM]

I do have a plug in there from EDGE, but it just looks like a plug with the wire looped through it.....

That is your electronic wastegate fooler that keeps the truck from doing exactly what it is doing. You were suppose to plug that into the end of the wastegate wiring harness where your wastegate use to be.

 

[BILLUA]

AK ram, I have done that... Thanks... Thus I have posed the question. I am still having this problem... Example. Las Vegas to San Diego today. Check engine light in Victorville (about 160 miles from LAS) Go through the multiple, 30 plus, restart attempts, get the light to reset and continue on to San Diego. This problem is idiotic, when the code trips, the engine goes into "limp" mode which is the most retarded thing to do. Limp mode gives me max about 30 percent power until reset.



I am at wits end with this! I made an error in thinking that I could upgrade this truck like I did my 2nd gen with no problems. I was wrong!! This engine is temperamental and I am not convinced that EDGE has the '05 figured out yet.



Richard Taylor, I believe that Our turbo downpipes are different diameters stock. Mine is a 4 inch... . If I am wrong, I would love to buy your down pipe!



Thanks, Bill

 

[AlexWV]

It seems like it might be worth trying it with the Edge removed. Maybe you have a bad box there... .

 

[AK RAM]

I see. I guess I read that a little fast and took it as you had one in the box..... doing you no good at all in the box. :-laf

I made an error in thinking that I could upgrade this truck like I did my 2nd gen with no problems. I was wrong!!

Believe it or not, these engines are easier to upgrade. It is just with all the electronics on the 3rd Gens, sometimes you get a gremlin that isn't staring you in the face, making it hard to find.



I'm with Alex. I don't know much about the electronic wastegates on the 610s, but I didn't think they read boost or cared what it was. I'm under the impression that the fooler just loops the power feed back to the ECM at a reduced voltage as a return signal so the truck thinks the gate is still there. The map sensor is still doing all the boost readings, right? I would bet you have a Juice with a bug in it. Called Edge to get their thoughts yet? Almost sounds like the Juice is just not fooling boost correctly, returning a signal that is too low.

 

[BILLUA]

Alex and AK Ram...



Alex, I got the part that we had discussed and it was the exact same that I had from EDGE... Oh well, tried it anyway with the same result.



The sequence of events were from new: upgraded to a AFE filter system. Then got a Juice with attitude and ran that on 1x1 as the engine needed to get some miles on it before I abused it... Then after a few thousand miles, upgraded to a ATS exhaust manifold and EDGE ball bearing turbo. At that point, after a few miles had my first episode with the code 2066 and check engine light. After a few calls to EDGE, Aron sent me a new Juice thinking that I might have a defective one. Put the new one and bam, check engine and 2066 after about 100 miles... At that point I made this post and Pm'ed Alex ( Who has gone out of his way to help me) and tried a different boost fooler.



AK Ram, I think your above post is spot on! The thing that is weird is that if I am on a road trip, I can count on the code 2006, check engine, limp mode crap happening every 175 miles... Almost exactly. I then waste about 30 minutes restarting this thing until the code clears. It is either that or go 50mph. . I am sitting at 7700 miles now. Just got back from San Diego. I have made about 6 road trips and have not had 1 trip go by without this problem. I love the EDGE turbo,but cannot bear to put up with this anymore. I want to love this truck, but now because I have upgraded it before the technology was ready, don't...



There is one last ditch effort here before I pull the turbo... Fred Swanson of desert diesel parts is going to try to build me a bleed line to connect to the stock boost sensor to the turbo to try to feed that thing good info. I am going to try that and if it does not work will be putting the stock turbo back on and making one of my TDR brethren a good deal on this EDGE turbo... .



Thanks, Bill

 

[AlexWV]

Hi Bill. Again, and this is just the way I would do it, but if I was going to pull something off and sell it, what I'd pull off first is the box and sell that. I would hazard a guess that just pulling the box won't fix it since your ECM is seeing readings it does not like caused by the bigger turbo. But getting a different box might help.



Maybe try a TST. We know the boost fooler is not the problem so it has to be the combo of turbo and box. The box is not able to handle the kind of readings that are now showing up with your new turbo. They may not have accounted for something in their design.



It's easy to sit here and say stuff like that, though. I realize that these are expensive tests to try. Maybe you can find somebody nearby who wouldn't mind plugging their TST box onto your truck.

 

[TSterner]

how "new " is your truck? ive had wierd things happen before b/c the after market guys haddent seen the ecm part #or program #. some times d/c changes small stuff that will cause problems. just a thought.

by the way they(edge) will tell you that it will work but they arent always right .



ted

 

[BILLUA]

Alex my friend, I think you have hit a winner! I have been so focused on the EDGE stuff because: I have had their stuff before and it has worked flawlessly, Customer service has been great, and I enjoy the attitude monitor... . But I like your idea... I think it is time to shop for a TST... I must say, I really like the way this turbo works and handles EGT's. The only time I have had a EGT backdown (1300c) Was climbing to Halloran summit on I 15. 75mph, oat 112F towing 5k... I think that is pretty good. Any other times I rarely see over 1200.

I am willing to try the TST!



Tsterner: my truck was built in March of this year... I think you are right with the issue at hand...



Thanks, Bill

 

[AlexWV]

how "new " is your truck? ive had wierd things happen before b/c the after market guys haddent seen the ecm part #or program #. some times d/c changes small stuff that will cause problems. just a thought.

by the way they(edge) will tell you that it will work but they arent always right .



ted

Right. That is what I was getting at exactly.



For what it's worth, mine was built in Mar 2005, same month and year as Bill, and I am not having the issue that Bill is having. I have a Super B and TST box.

 

[BILLUA]

Ok Gents update.



I finally took my first road trip without getting the 0299 and CEL with the defueling. How nice! It was LAS-LAX-LAS.



There have been some changes made to my truck which may have made this possible.



First, after the discussions on the thread and further with ALEXWV, I ordered a TST Powermax CR to replace my EDGE Juice. I also figured that if I was going to do that, I would stack it with something. I thought about a EZ, but decided to go with a Bully Dog Power PUP due to the fact that it can CLEAR CODES too!. I got the BDPP, hooked it up and guess what? The 0299 code came up. The check engine light was not on, the truck was not in limp mode... At this point, I was wondering if the recurring nightmare of 0299 and limp mode could have been due to the fact that the code was not actually cleared out of the truck, thereby allowing the ECM to trigger 0299 and limp at 175 mile intervals... I kid you guys not, the CEL would come on and the truck would go into limp mode with 0299 code. Then I would go through the 40 restart deal to "clear the code". I think I didn't clear the code, but just got the truck out of limp mode.



I believe that the Bully Dog officially cleared the 0299 allowing me to drive 550 miles today with no problems!



In the mean time, some of you may remember my hate for the AFE stage 2 system that I sold to NAUIDVR1. I hated the system because of the god awful turbo whine with the ball bearing turbo... I sold it and put the stock snorkel on... Relief! ... But, I did like how the STAGE 2 handled EGT's and how it flowed... . I decided to compromise and Got a Cool Blue Hose and Turbo Air Guide 3.



It is an excellent compromise. The egt's are lower and my turbo spools instantaneously!. I do have good turbo whine, but only when spooling, which is the way I like it!



I drove without my trailer to day, but I got 15. 5 mpg. The beast my truck has ever gotten. Now approaching 9,000 miles, maybe it is starting to loosen up... That mileage was running 78 mph...



Now, I have a brand new TST Powermax CR to install!



Thanks all!

 

[TimG]

BILLUA



Keep us informed of how this setup works with the PMCR. I have one ordered that should arrive this week.

 

[Tomeygun]

Ok Gents update.



Now, I have a brand new TST Powermax CR to install!



Thanks all!

Awesome! Now to put some serious fuel to that Ball bearing turbo, and see how it really handle the power



I look forward to your review of the TST/BB turbo combo