Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting chinese ammo

[KBurgoyne]

poor guy took his gun to the range to test some new chinese ammo. the top of the cylinder blew off and hit the guy in the head.

 

[AEdelheit]

So he knew it was Chinese ammo and just wanted to see how it worked? Hope he was ok

 

[KBurgoyne]

i geuss he knew. he took the gun to the local P. D. to have it destroyed.

 

[Bill Lins]

I'd say he already took care of the "destroying" project. :-(

 

[KBurgoyne]

This ammunition was loaded in China and sold under the name of Norinco. The CJ denotes China Jeng. The Chinese are not allowed to import any firearms and ammunition into the USA. They were caught trying to import a shipload of full auto AK47 rifles in the mid 90's.



the ammo was clocked at 3700 for a 55 grain 223 rem. waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too hot. normal is 31-3200 for a max.

not sure if that 44 ammo was same brand, but the overchargeing would explain the pop.

 

[BIGNASTY]

JMO but something else had to have gone terribly wrong. I dont think that the discharge of a round could have done this. Maybe all 3 of the ones in that half of the Cylinder going off at the same time ya. I have ran some VERY VERY STOUT reloads in my Smith's and nothing like that happened. One question comes to mind. HAS HIS HAND GOT FELLING BACK IN IT YET :-laf



BIG



PS. The CJ stands for Chinese Junk.

 

[HHhuntitall]

Not to be argumentative, BUT... . The picture of it in the box is actually on the desk of Steve Venadias, at Targetworks, in Owasso, Ok. The guy that blew it up is a cop and he did have to get some stitches in his head, but it was his handloads that blew it apart, not the Chinese ammo. If you look at the bullets, you'll notice the cannelure of the Hornady HP bullet used, as well as the foldings on the nose of the bullet where the copper was folded over and swaged into the lead, forming the HP..... anyway... . It went back to Smith and Wesson in that box, and they're intentions were to put it in thier museum under the heading, "Catastrophic Failures. " FWIW, Chinese production, (well, I guess I should say "importation," as I have no idea of what they produced in their own country) of ammo was limited to NATO rounds during their brief importation period, and that was cut off in response to the Tienaman Square fiasco by NATO sanctions in '89-90.

 

[KBurgoyne]

that all may be true, but i still would never fire china made ammo.

 

[KBurgoyne]

my next sidearm

i dare ya to fire crap ammo in one of these.

 

[BIGNASTY]

THAT HAS TO BE OUT OF OF BOUNDS TO FIRE :-laf



The biggest and baddest thing I have is 375 JDJ in handgun. JD Jones has taken Bull Elephant with the round several times. When I got married we went hunting and I took this with me. FIL/BIL said WHAT THE HELL IS THAT :-laf. A few seasons went by and on the way to back to camp we hear ELK in the forest. I jumped off the horse and went into the forest FIL/BIL behind me and the wife. They were still snickering like little kids :-laf. When this thing went off and the shoulder of the ELK exploded it went to I went to the ELK and FIL told wife to watch out for that guy there is something WRONG REALLY WRONG WITH THAT GUY. (Ok so he's right):-laf This is not my weapon but just like it 444 marlin case necked to 375 slug mag-na-port is in my opinion NOT AN OPTION.



Cartridges …





SSK has chambered well over 200 calibers in the Contender. The most popular are the JDJ series which exist in almost every caliber. JDJ cartridges give the highest ballistic performance in each caliber consistent with safety, long gun life and exceptional accuracy. The most popular are the 226, 6 mm, 257, 6. 5 mm, 270, and 7 mm JDJ which are based on the very strong 225 Winchester case. The 309, 8 mm, 338 #2, 358, 375 and 416 JDJ are based on the very strong 444 Marlin case. The 6. 5 uses 120 grain bullets at 2400 FPS, the 309 uses 165s at 2400 and the 375 uses 220s at 2250, 270s at 2100 and 300 FMJS at 2000 which gives plenty of penetration to take elephant (in 1984 19 elephant were taken with the 375). The 257 gets up to 2900 FPS with an 85 grain to make it the most effective long range varmint caliber for Contenders, and the same load is excellent for whitetail and antelope.

 

[The patriot]

IMO JD Jones is a sick fook.

:-laf

 

[KBurgoyne]

more details on the big boy including a video of it and the thompson being fired. both 600 ne. the thompson doesnt look fun at all.



. 600 Nitro Express Magnum

 

[BIGNASTY]

Why is that??patriot,, He's NOT the first to play around with handgun hunting. In my young days my Dad use to think that Jack O Conner was the great gun guru and he was as far as rifle in my eyes. But the one that I always enjoyed the exploits of was Bob Milek (not sure of the last name spelling) he shot everything with handguns and wildcat many rounds for hunting purposes. Met him one time when dad and I were hunting. Stopped at a gas station and Dad went to shake the dew off his Lilly and I was sucking a soda. He asked if we were hunting and we talked for a few. He seemed to genuinely care what I had to say I was 13yr old.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Ya ok so the gun was a little different IT HAD A MUZZLE BREAK. I like the crash helmet :-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[KBurgoyne]

can you blame him. the stock version has a ported barrel, but im sure the muzzle break helped.

 

[The patriot]

Oh... . a muzzle brake. OK, I retract my last statement. :-laf

 

[KBurgoyne]

on an unrelated topic. has anyone had any previous dealings with grizzly ammo. i ordered some cast performance bullets from them 13 days ago, and after 2 emails have not heard anything back from them. no tracking number, but the oder confirmation email said the order was processed and ready for UPS. they could be backordered, but the site doesnt show and i cant get a response from them.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I dont care what it has on the end of the gun I wouldnt touch the trigger