Chrysler Puts Hold On G-56 Equipped Deliveries

[klenger]

This issue reminds me of the trouble I had getting my 04. 5 delivered. The truck arrived at the RR yard in Denver, but DC would not relase it to the dealer because of some issue with the excaust clamps. It sat at the RR yard for a week before DC finally decided to release the truck. I was never able to determine what the issue was, but I have never had any problems with it. There are actually mechanics at the RR depot that work for or contract to the manufacturers, which is where they intended to make what-ever changes were needed to mine (but they never did). Until the truck leaves the RR depot (or what-ever), the it still belongs to DC, not you, and not the dealer.



My point in this long post is that there may be nothing wrong with most all of the G56's that have been built, but DC doesn't want to release them till they know the scope of the problem. It's cheaper for DC to fix them while they still own the truck then to do it after delivery to the dealer and pay warranty.



Hope all works out OK for you guys waiting.

 

[mlandis2]

I just got off a call with my sales person and some guy he calls at DC for questions (some kind of ordering manager) and they know nothing of this G56 hold on built/in delivery trucks, just that they cannot be ordered... ... although this guy said that it looks like my truck will be delayed again past 4/8 based on the delivery info he was looking at.



Kinda sounds like they see the problem but know less about it than we do



Maybe Tomeygun has some info??

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

My point in this long post is that there may be nothing wrong with most all of the G56's that have been built, but DC doesn't want to release them till they know the scope of the problem. It's cheaper for DC to fix them while they still own the truck then to do it after delivery to the dealer and pay warranty.



Hope all works out OK for you guys waiting.

Ain't it a pity DC wasn't as alert and responsive where issues such as lift pumps and injection pumps, U-joints and ball-joints and a wide assortment of vibration ills are concerned... :{

 

[RTuvell]

WELL, actually, oil leaking from the rear engine main seal would (on a NORMAL flywheel!) tend to stay primarily on the engine side of the flywheel - while seepage from the transmission input shaft has a pretty direct access to the clutch surface. The DM flywheel might sorta cloud that issue, since its segmented construction may well also allow rear main oil flow to the clutch as well...

It seems to me that if a leak occurs on either the engine side of the flywheel or the transmission side of the flywheel it will still show at the same lowest point: at the bottom of the bell housing where it mates to the engine.

 

[RankRam]

It seems to me that if a leak occurs on either the engine side of the flywheel or the transmission side of the flywheel it will still show at the same lowest point: at the bottom of the bell housing where it mates to the engine.

Another way to tell where the leak is on a G-56 equipped CTD is to look at the type of oil on the bellhousing. The G-56 uses ATF+4 unlike the Nv5600 that uses gear oil.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

It seems to me that if a leak occurs on either the engine side of the flywheel or the transmission side of the flywheel it will still show at the same lowest point: at the bottom of the bell housing where it mates to the engine.

The basic issue here is NOT where the leaking oil will ultimately drain OUT of the bellhousing, but rather what components it is likely to flow over or thru while it's still INSIDE the bellhousing - and what clutch components will possibly be contaminated...

 

[EBottema]

DC Strikes again! The only reason they got rid of NV's transmission was because it cost them less to use their own. Maybe this is a minor problem with their g56, maybe a major one that will prove this transmission is a downgrade from the nv5600... . only time will tell.

 

[abdiver]

A glance at the benefits of the Luk dual mass flywheel



Top driving comfort

Absorbs vibrations

Prevents noise

Enables comfortable, low-revs driving

Saves fuel

Relieves crankshaft and gearbox



Above statements from DMF (LUK) site IMO its the "Relieves crankshaft and gearbox" is the main reason this is being used so the G56 will last a bit longer hopefully till after warranty period. Why would DC do this Would it be to provide its loyal buyers a better product OR Save them MONEY



I don't recall any compaints with the NV5600 regarding -

Top driving comfort

Absorbs vibrations

Prevents noise

Enables comfortable, low-revs driving

Saves fuel



My 2 cents

 

[FATCAT]

A glance at the benefits of the Luk dual mass flywheel



Why would DC do this Would it be to provide its loyal buyers a better product OR Save them MONEY

I gotta Sawbuck that says the latter is the correct answer.



What a disgrace.

 

[RTuvell]

The basic issue here is NOT where the leaking oil will ultimately drain OUT of the bellhousing, but rather what components it is likely to flow over or thru while it's still INSIDE the bellhousing - and what clutch components will possibly be contaminated...

NO! The basic issue here is that I was questioning member "supersonics" claim that he observed oil leaking from under two G56 equipped trucks and immediately concluded it was a transmission input shaft seal leak. I didn't believe he could isolate the leak without removing the trany.



Member RankRam in his post above seems to have the answer: the G56 uses autotrany fluid so a leak from the bell housing that is red fluid would be coming from the G56.

 

[EBottema]

I'm disgusted with how Dodge is continuing year after year to make these trucks worse and worse. Sure some advancments have been made, that would be a given but whats next? are they going to go with IFS? Every year the truck gets worse than it gets better. It should be the other way around of course... Now thats sad... .

 

[Matt400]

Why would DC do this Would it be to provide its loyal buyers a better product OR Save them MONEY

Good question and lets not forget that a DMF is a wear item and must be replaced at each clutch job. Not replacing it is like doing just the disc and not the pressure plate.

 

[abdiver]

Good question and lets not forget that a DMF is a wear item and must be replaced at each clutch job. Not replacing it is like doing just the disc and not the pressure plate.

Matt400 Good point So it costs DC less to provide us with the G56 and it will cost us more when a clutch needs replacement. What a deal. It appears the best rigs out there may just be a pre 04. 5 unit with quad and 6 spd in IMO

 

[RTuvell]

Good question and lets not forget that a DMF is a wear item and must be replaced at each clutch job. Not replacing it is like doing just the disc and not the pressure plate.

I'm not questioning you on this, it's just your's is the first post I've read saying that the DMF is a wear item that must be replaced with the clutch. What a revelation! I seem to recall the SouthBend folks saying that this is a very expensive DMF.

 

[EBottema]

No doubt about it. If you want a modern nice real 4 door truck, best option is an 03-04 HO (NON cummins 600) with the nv5600..... That truck will last a long time!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"NO! The basic issue here is that I was questioning member "supersonics" claim that he observed oil leaking from under two G56 equipped trucks and immediately concluded it was a transmission input shaft seal leak. "



UMMmm - not to beat a dead horse, but in your selective reading, you musta overlooked THIS:



"OK, I've found two of them on the lots around here and thy were both leaking trans fluid out the input shaft seal, and the clutch slipped really bad on both of em' (because of oil). "



#1, he seemed convinced what was leaking was "trans fluid out the input shaft seal" - NOT just OIL, but specifically "TRANS fluid" - rather easily determined and differentiated by color and odor of oil left under a vehicle - WITHOUT transmission removal...



And,



#2. the usual most DIRECT path for leaking rear main lube is out of the bellhousing, and to the ground, while a leaking front transmission seal will USUALLY apply lube to the clutch and pressure plate before finally exitiing out the bottom of the bellhousing.



And personally, *I* don't give a HOOT where the oil comes from, it's a really BAD indication of potential transmission/clutch/flywheel problems in ANY case - and DC seems to fully agree!

 

[RTuvell]

Okay Gary, you're absolutely right again, as usual, as always, never gets it wrong, no matter what anyone else says, etc... (You didn't know that the G56 used autotrany fluid until RankRam posted it above, you just can't admit it!!)



From now on instead of questioning the posts of others I'll just PM you and get the answer straight from the all seeing, all knowing!!!



I should have known better than to post on this thread the minute I saw that you were involved.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Okay Gary, you're absolutely right again, as usual, as always, never gets it wrong, no matter what anyone else says, etc... (You didn't know that the G56 used autotrany fluid until RankRam posted it above, you just can't admit it!!)



From now on instead of questioning the posts of others I'll just PM you and get the answer straight from the all seeing, all knowing!!!



I should have known better than to post on this thread the minute I saw that you were involved.

(Sigh!)



Wouldn't it have just been easier to admit you were WRONG?



And the bit about the G56 using AT fluid has been mentioned here several times before - sorry you missed it...

 

[RTuvell]

I bow to the Grand Gary, the man who has never been wrong himself but delights in finding fault in others!!!



You're the man!!!

 

[supersonic]

Sorry i couldn't answer earlier to prevent such a ruckus, chill out guys!. The reason I know the trans was leaking is because while I was wallering in the mud (anyone around here knows it's been raining ALOT) under the truck to check out the trans, I saw red trans fluif ATF+4 (like any other modern aluminum cased stickshift uses) all over the front of the trans and a six inch puddle on the ground directly under the dust hole. After the 25 mile (by myself) test drive and observing the severe clutch slip, and with the engine running (reminder, the G56 is pressure lubricated like the ZF unitg chevy and ford uses) I could count one drop per three second dripping out of the dust hole and I could smell ATF burning (toasted clutch). Believe me I know what burning ATF smells like after six transmissions in our 2000 F350 auto PSD that we sold. HAVE A GOOD EVENING, AND PLEASE GET ALONG.

Christopher Watson.