ci-4plus

[BrianJ]

ok, so i just go on Napas website and they have synthetic Mobil Delvac 15W40 CI rated oil for 66. 99 a 5 gal. pail!!. .

https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?A=MOR44823_0006509922&An=0



Its been awhile since I bought oil... . is this a good deal????

I know the Napa product description includes "yes" for synthetic, but I though delvac 1300 15w40 was conventional oil, and synthetic was 5w40. At $13. 40 per gallon that seems maybe a little better than par with conventional oil prices, and would be a great deal if truly full synthetic. I notice it does not say synthetic on the product packaging (at least that I could see).

 

[Tinman]

I don't know if this means they still produce it or not but it's on their web page.

Valvoline.com > Products > Heavy Duty Diesel Engine Oils > > Valvoline Premium Blue® Classic Engine Oil

 

[rbattelle]

They do not make it. One of my family works for them and they can no longer get it for me.

That's good intel.

I don't know if this means they still produce it or not but it's on their web page.

I mentioned that back in October when I talked to them. I was told, "oh, the website is outdated, they'll take that page down soon. Isn't incompetence wonderful? I mean, can you imagine the meeting where they laid out their website? "Hey boss, I got a great idea. Let's build a website so we can give our customers outdated information 24/7! That'll show 'em!"

Maybe I'm being harsh. Maybe their servers are running on 200 baud telephone modems - it could be another few years before the latest updates are released.

When I spoke with them I said, "How about putting a little note on that page indicating it's no longer being made?" To which they responded, "that's a good idea. "

-Ryan

 

[Wingate]

I know the Napa product description includes "yes" for synthetic, but I though delvac 1300 15w40 was conventional oil, and synthetic was 5w40. At $13. 40 per gallon that seems maybe a little better than par with conventional oil prices, and would be a great deal if truly full synthetic. I notice it does not say synthetic on the product packaging (at least that I could see).

Thats what Im thinking... especially after seeing the 1 gal jug listed as gasoline engine oil and non-synthetic... .

 

[rashwor]

The Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15w40 is CI4 plus. This is the oil I run in mine.

 

[Linker]

I am still buying Valvoline Premium Blue 15w-40 CI4+ for 11. 99 a gallon.

 

[BrianJ]

Was in WallyWorld the other day and noticed Delvac 1300 super 15w40 on the shelf. It was conventional oil, appx $12 per gallon, and the bottle indicated CJ4, in addition to the prior specs (ci4, etc. ). WM's price was better than the per gallon pail price indicated a few posts back.

 

[steved]

Make sure your READ all the fine print on the bottles... a lot of the manufacturers have seen the CJ-4 "scare", and are marketing towards it. I have seen a lot of "CI-4+" oils with fine print stating they are also suitable for use in CJ-4 equipment. This is misleading because CI-4+ is not suitable for use in equipment requiring CJ-4, which means they are probably selling CJ-4 oil and promoting its backward compatibility to CI-4+.



FWIW, I've been running either Rotella CJ-4 or Schaeffer CJ-4 since they reformulated with no significant change on the used oil analysis reports I've done. I've got over 250k on the clock, not sure how many are with CJ-4 but I would guess probably more than 150k though.

 

[rscurtis]

steved raises a good point. You don't want to see "CJ4" in any of the labeling. Even though it's billed as backwards compatible, it's not the same thing.

 

[JamesStevens]

steved raises a good point. You don't want to see "CJ4" in any of the labeling. Even though it's billed as backwards compatible, it's not the same thing.

I agree completely if U see CJ-4 anywhere on the jug keep looking

 

[steved]

One thing to keep in mind, when was the last oil-related failure you read about that was a direct result of running CJ-4? I know I read of one batch of failed school bus engines when the switch first occurred, but it was finally attributed to a bad batch of oil and not the actual CJ-4 formulation.



Just to give those stressing over finding CI-4+, I have UOAs out to 20k or more that show CJ-4 holds up just fine in real world use in a 325hp HO. From what I remember, there was no significant difference in UOA between CI-4+ and CJ-4 when I was flipping back and forth between the two.



My point is, if you can't find CI-4+; the CJ-4 isn't as bad as we have been lead to believe and can be used in most cases without concern.

 

[Wingate]

One thing to keep in mind, when was the last oil-related failure you read about that was a direct result of running CJ-4? I know I read of one batch of failed school bus engines when the switch first occurred, but it was finally attributed to a bad batch of oil and not the actual CJ-4 formulation.



Just to give those stressing over finding CI-4+, I have UOAs out to 20k or more that show CJ-4 holds up just fine in real world use in a 325hp HO. From what I remember, there was no significant difference in UOA between CI-4+ and CJ-4 when I was flipping back and forth between the two.



My point is, if you can't find CI-4+; the CJ-4 isn't as bad as we have been lead to believe and can be used in most cases without concern.

this is true..... there will most likely be something else that ends up being the grim reaper for our little Cummins engines..... Much like the discussion of whether to run some new dual element oil filter over the LF16035... the difference between a standard good quality filter and the dual element is not going to be the decision of whether your engine blows up or not...

I understand people wanting the absolute best for their engines..... and for some people, they want the best even at an increased costs... . its just different ways of thinking. .

I simpley use the CI oil because I get it at a good discount. . If it was CJ rated oil, I'd be using it...

 

[MRFost]

I seem to recall that John? Martin? that did the series of oil articles in the mag. said that the CJ4 is OK, just don't extend the change duration -- be sure to change it on time. Without looking it up, that's my recollection. And that's the way that I'm doing it since finding the good stuff is pretty tough around here without great effort.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

Good reading on the issue of CJ-4 oils!!! https://www.turbodieselregister.com/magazines/Issue_057.phtml



After reading this info, I'll never buy a CJ-4 oil again!! I've been buying the CAT DEO ever since strictly based on local availability!

 

[Diesel Thunder]

Hello All,



Just wanted to share some info:



Talked with Chevron and they plan to continue making the CI-4 PLUS oil for quite some time. Apparently, many fleet owners do not plan to switch to the new CJ-4 rated oil.



They now call it the DELO 400 Multigrade 15W-40 API CI-4 PLUS. Their website specifically points out that it is designed for pre-2007 diesels..... hmmmm.



Engine Oils, Synthetic Motor Oil, Delo 400 LE, SAE 15W-40 - Delo



The only catch is... . they do not sell it in gallon jugs---bulk only.



Good news though, 5 gallon buckets are available from your local distributors. If they don't have 5 gallon buckets--you can buy your own 5 gallon bucket and take it to the bulk distributor and they will fill it for you.



I just bought x2 five gallon buckets of CI-4 PLUS today for about $55 each---not bad at all.



***This is one of the "best" rated oils---per the TDR, issue 57***



This is the place I bought from: (no connections--just good family friendly service).



M. C. Herrington Chevron Distributor

11206 Airport Road

Olive Branch, Mississippi 38654

1-662-895-2210



I'm sure this place may be too far for most, but go to the Chevron Delo Performance website and click the dot on the map that is closest to your locale.



Lubricant Marketers, Diesel Fleet Owners, Diesel Lubricant – Delo



I use the 5 gallon buckets with a hand pump I bought at Northern Tool that sits in the pour hole in the bucket lid.



Anyways, regardless of the oil you choose, just thought I'd pass along this info...



Cheers.

 

[snuff]

thanks for all the input. i called the local cat guy "ringpower" branch and they wanted around $35 a gal. was paying 25$ for the valvoline premium blue 5-40w ci-4+ till they ran out "cummins power south branch. . i will be calling portconsolidated in orlando, for the delo. they are a bulk dist. they do have the classic blue but in 55gal and bulk. i went with valvoline perimum blue 15-40w reg dino, i did sent off a sample from the truck having 13k on the oil and a sample from the new oil just to see. last oil was the 5-40w syn pre. blue. thanks again... . be safe... ... ... ... .