Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Code 0216 & 1693

[WTBurke]

Well I guess after 72k miles trouble free I now have trouble. I was driving home Friday evening from San Francisco on Interstate 80 and as I pressed the "go" peddle NOTHING happened. I MASHED it to the floor the transmission down shifted and all was normal. As I continued to light throttle down the hi-way it happened 5 additional times before I got home to Paradise.



This AM I pulled these two codes 0216 and 1693 put the manual gage on the Schroeder valve and was idling at 10 psi. (i know that ain't great)



I was at a 1/4 tank I changed the fuel filter and noted no change. I went and fueled up to full and noted an improvement of 1 psi at idle so... . now it's 11 psi. (lift pump must be poor to have a full tank help it)



I unhooked my negative leads on the batteries and waited about an hour as I was throwing a hissy-fit about this. Re hooked the DC did the "peddle to the floor calibration" (APPS) and restarted the rig. Shut it down and the codes were still there? Can I not clear these or is my problem so bad that even a start and idle will lock the codes that fast?



I've read all the related threads that are presently running but. guys... . what have I done wrong to deserve a p-0216 code? I'm so careful with this rig I feed it very carefully and change fluids and filters all the time.



Did I really need to spend 600 bux on an aftermarket fuel delivery system to prevent my vp-44 from from failure even though my truck is factory stock?



Is my baby broken



William

 

[stacerbob]

Maybe not broken (yet) but probably wounded. Get ready for the VP-44 and lift pump.

 

[jjohn]

Sorry to hear it William

I just went threw it myself, same go pedal issue, same codes, plus some stumbling as I put it in gear. I feel I did it all the right way. . replaced the LP when it went under 12 PSI at Idle. I used stanadyne from day one changed the fuel filter every other oil change (7K miles) and I only got 52,000 miles out of my VP44 or VP$$!



I needed my truck running and didn't have time to jump threw the Dealers hoops so..... I just bit the bullet and replaced the VP44 from the local Bosch shop. $1295 rebuilt $400 core and $500 more if they swap it out.



A towing fee from some of the places I could end up dead along side the road could be $500.

Originally posted by WTBurke





Did I really need to spend 600 bux on an aftermarket fuel delivery system to prevent my vp-44 from from failure even though my truck is factory stock?



Is my baby broken



William

I did put in a Aeroquip -6AN fuel line from summitracing with the new VP44, Can't pull it under 10PSI WOT now. 13 PSI at 75mph 15 Idle.



PICTURES AND PARTS LIST ON THIS LINK



I have a new pusher pump kit in the box but not sure if it the right way to go for me... FASS or the new AIR Dog or the PE system wildcat says there coming out with? All I know is I am going to do something different this time around.



Good luck

 

[slavallee]

My condolences on the p0216 code. I just went through it myself. Only I had no other probs except the MIL light. No mods, don't baby it, but don't beat it either. I used stanadyne for about 75% of my fuel usage. My VP lasted less tham 30k miles, this seems to be more common than I'm comfortable with.

 

[DHoleman]

According to my Superchips Code reader P0216 Fuel Injection Pump Timing Failure . .

Code P1693 DTC detected in Companion JTEC Module

Good luck let me know if this right or wrong Thank much,Good Luck DH

 

[krs]

P1693 is a generic code that seems to set whenever there's a problem anywhere. By itself it doesn't mean much but the P0216 is as above - Fuel Injection Pump Timing and whatever that is technically it means that a new VP44 is required. Sometimes it goes along and only makes the symptoms occasionally but it always gets worse and finally won't run.

People have tried all sorts of things with connections, with liftpumps, with hose, but the only sure fix is a new injection pump.

 

[WTBurke]

Guys... thank you... . I guess I'm to blame as I don't have a fixed fuel pressure gage to monitor the feed levels at all times. I assume from all the info on past and present threads point to the fact that we must monitor fuel feed levels. I still wonder at what moment in time should I have changed the lift pump out for an improved system.



If I had done so say at no less than 13psi at idle would I have gained any time before the vp-44 had been damaged.



Also I would like to know from those who have made positive advanced improvements did they ever have vp-44 failure afterwords.



I guess I'm trying to get someone to "scold" me and say "YES you dummy we told you so" and "Yes you would not have vp-44 problems ever if you had modified your feed system to begin with"!!!



So with that stated... someone tell me straight out... . the proper procedure for 100% reliability for the vp-44 is to make the mods before a p-0216 appears.



Thank you all again.



Bummed out in Paradise



William

 

[Mad Bomber]

PSI

So to hear of VP problems. When my LP went the only way I could tell was by the gauge. IMO I put a pusher pump on 7 PSI @ 100 GPH to keep the LP and VP happy and cool. Those LP's don't like to suck fuel and with a long bed it's 10. 5 FT to LP from the tank.

 

[propuller]

So if i have a code # set of 1693 & 0216 i need a new vp44?. My truck has never died but the throttle is starting to act a little erratic sometimes. At certain throttle positions it acts like it is surging & sometimes it starts to buck pretty bad if i dont let off the pedal or depres the pedal. I have a number of codes set maybe somebody can help me out with these-0622,0743,0500,1765,0501,1693,0216. My pump wire is pierced so i am my own warranty station. Do you guys think it could be the apps sensor or the vp. Thanks for the help guys. P. S. my truck only has 20,000 miles on it



Kurt

 

[WTBurke]

Kurt sorry to hear that you are most likely on the same path as I am.

Your codes may be viewed here at www.troublecodes.net

it will provide all the bad news that you may not want to know.



Good luck



William

 

[propuller]

Thanks William i am fearing the worst. Maybe its time for Piers hot rod vp44.



Kurt

 

[Mad Bomber]

Hot rod

Originally posted by propuller

Thanks William i am fearing the worst. Maybe its time for Piers hot rod vp44.



Kurt

I belive those pumps have a 1 in 3 failuer rate do you feel lucky?

 

[Houser]

Yes

A 1 in 3 failure rate and no warranty.



Houser

 

[propuller]

Re: Hot rod

Originally posted by Mad Bomber

I belive those pumps have a 1 in 3 failuer rate do you feel lucky?

Yes actually i do feel lucky as i just talked to piers about their new race vp44 pump & i asked him about this 1 in 3 failure rate & he said that to date there has been 0 failures on this pump & he also said that there is a warranty if the pump cover is used instead of piercing the wire. This pump sounds like a winner due to its reliability & impressive power gains (upwards of 58 horse on 1 truck & a minimum of 38 on another). He is also very interested to find out who is having this 1 in 3 failure as he has not heard anything from any of his customers & if so he would like to take care of it. Do you guys know for sure who is having problems or if it is just GOSSIP. You can pm me with the names of these people if you know of them. Thanks.







Kurt

 

[WTBurke]

Hey guys I went to the dealer in Oroville Ca this morning and the tech told me my p-0216 locked in 215 starts ago. Well heck I don't remember 215 starts ago so he cleared it (which I could not do with a battery disconnect) and told me to keep an eye on it. I asked if the fact that my lift-pump was only 9. 5 psi @ idle and near ZERO at WOT had anything to do with it. His answer was "Thats not the way we test lift pumps and proceeded to tell me about disconnecting the delivery line and measuring the volume into a millimeter flask in a sixty second period. These guys referred to TDR as a ramped bunch of goofs who know nothing about what CTD's are all about.



I guess I'll have to find another dealer if p-0216 locks in again.



I was also informed by the dealer in Oroville Ca that if I change anything regarding fuel delivery I would void my warranty. I asked the tech why would improving the reliability of the lift-pump system to provide flow to the vp-44 would have such an impact sense Cummins has stated that the current design is improper for our particular vehicle his answer was that DODGE SAYS SO !!



Ain't dealers cool to deal with... . they basically want me to fail out on a hi-way in the middle of no where and then see if they can do something,



BTW they charged me 89 bux to clear my codes and tell me this s**t.



I hate Dodge dealerships... they suck!



William

 

[Dsl_Duo]

Sorry to hear you have codes. I had the same ones and after about 6 months ended up with a new injection pump.



Find a good Dodge dealer and let him work the issue. I first had to replace 3 lift pumps before they would replace the injector pump.



Only 23,400 miles, 1/3 towing and minor mods.



Good Luck,

Dsl_Duo

 

[rholcom2]

WTBurke, I got the same reaction from a dealer. He referred to the TDR as a bunch of retired 5th wheel pullers who claim to get 32 mpg in a head-wind. I asked him if I looked to be retired (I'm 24), and asked if he had ever read the information there, or even been on the webist. His reply, NO. What do you say to that? Then I proceded to tell him about what I have read on the TDR pertaining to problem we were dealing with on my friends truck who I accompanied. He was clearly lost as I threw out terms and hypothesis. I was sure to add in some other stuff that I have read and really didnt understand just to baffle the idiot "SERVICE MANAGER" of a "5 Star" dealership, who I had heard used a wrecker to pull a Cummins motor out of a truck that had a cracked block, which they claimed to the owner to "have adequate experience with diesels, and have a good diesel mechanic". Yet, they dont have the proper equipment to perform the maintainance. I am inadequate in some repairs, and I am not afraid to admit it. I seek help, and try to find the most honest and trustworthy person to work on my truck. Just the way I am. But these idiots at dealerships talking down the TDR, who have never been on the website, they have just heard about it, need to shut their big "5 star" mouths.

 

[Bob4x4]

Tell your D/C tech to reread that test procedure,it is not a 60 second test. It sounds like he is blowing you off.

I have changed a bunch of these things,D/C does not pay a fair amount of labor. This is the reason you get blown off,not any official D/C policy.



Bob

 

[WTBurke]

Thank you guys... and yes Bob these dudes at the dealership in Oroville Ca are not very sharp. I was also told that a code such as a p-0216 will self clear after 250 starts without an additional occurrence. I was not aware of this as I have always thought once a code locks in that it must be cleared with OBDII software. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I disconnected the 12 volt DC for nearly an hour in an attempt to clear the 1693 and 0216 codes but, it did not work. I'm now loading my laptop with the Dan Harrison's OBDII software that I purchased a long time ago and lost it in my mess here at the house. Now if I could just find my interface cable I won't be paying for dummy's at the dealer any longer.



If I luck out perhaps I won't see the 0216 code again



William

 

[WalterRyan]

WTBurke,

I bought my truck in november and went to the dealer in oroville to check the service history and buy some filters. After a couple of minutes he realized the truck was canadian and told me the mileage on the truck now was kilometers. I tried to tell him that the cluster had been changed and was now miles and that I drove the truck down from Medford and the mileage was correct. He kept telling me no that It cannot be changed from metric. After 5 minutes he finally said "well if it IS miles we cannot waranty anything because we dont know what the mileage realy is or what they did". This was after I asked how much work they did on these and he told me they were the best service department in northern California. I also had a speed sensor code p500 or p501 that I wanted to have cleared to see if it came back and was told they could not do that and would have to open a workorder and do all the trouble shootin first, Probably a couple hundred dollars. I asked about a couple of other things and to make a long storry short after a few minutes I decided I would not let these guys put air in my tires. A guy across the street frome me has been happy with Chuck Patterson in Chico and if you dont need waranty work Jeffs truck service is supposed to be good.