Competition Combine 2 Used Up Drag Racers And Alot Of Boost =Big Problems..

[csutton7]

sleddy--of course we've blown HG's--I think you missed the point of HVAC's post--he's wondering why it blew(well now we know it was installer's error) but what kind of error---did it get o-ringed or something else---you guys always look to start a little back and forth stuff--cracks me up---oh yea I'm coming for ya sleddy someday at Muncie I hope--or anyway I want to at least meet ya in person and have a beer or 12---





JDailey--you got singles on a Dodge makin 90lbs of boost??? not goading here just interested to hear if it's true---how streetable is that thing??? I know anything is possible, but are you talking streetable or strictly a puller/racer????---





----chris

 

[hdm48]

Pardon me for butting in here, but, there is a GIRL named Rottin Rhonda that runs in the 12. 7's with ONE turbo and she drives it every day.

Hammer,, that is a BLACK "BIRD", not a black hawk.



you least coast guys sure make a lot of noise. Please try to get it right.



Sorry for buttin' in. Carry on.





Dave

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by csutton7

oh yea I'm coming for ya sleddy someday at Muncie I hope--



----chris

Let me know Chris, I'll put on the camper shell and buy a ladder rack to make it fair.



I think you can link all headgasket failures that have been off once, back to installer error, or cheapness.

I can't remember the last time, if ever, I saw a Mitchell customer blow a head gasket at the track.



I have 2 pulling season's on my Mitchell O-ring head gasket. Of course, I don't have any power.....

 

[csutton7]

Sleddy--no need to buy I can take my stuff off and loan it to ya after I pull---you'll need that cash to buy & install an auto transmission when we're thru-- ----and then after that you can buy the same exact shell & racks as me-- ----Mitchell's stuff is proven there's no doubt on that---chris

 

[ob1kobi]

I was going to stay out of this, but I like the East Coast vs West Coast wars.



HDM48,



There are several truck out East, both single and twinned that run in the 12's and all are street driven. Heck one of them even plows snow. HVAC'c comment mentioned sub-12 second trucks. That means faster than 12 seconds.



We East coast guys had it right, by not responding, cause we don't have a sub 12 second street driven truck, yet. We do have a street driven truck that is over 800 HP though. Do you?



Ted

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by csutton7

Sleddy--no need to buy I can take my stuff off and loan it to ya after I pull---

I believe that would make ESPN, swapping caps and racks in the pits... .....



As far as your auto truck beating mine? Something really bad would have to happen to my pull, like parts chunking.



I don't want to hear about 800 hp trucks on drugs, becuase they can't race or pull that way, and more often than not, blow up very quickly.

But it sok to dream Kobi!

 

[Proram]

I think you can link all headgasket failures that have been off once, back to installer error, or cheapness.

It wasn't "cheapness or Error" it was lack of knowledge on my part. if you pullin guys would drive your trucks more than 3/400 feet at a time like wide open for a mile or so you might just be fixin your's too. look i don't drag mine or pull w/ mine. it's not realy suited to either, but i do drive it every single day and i dont baby it. This east west crap gets annoying sometimes and i realy dont care to particapate in it. you guys do what you do , we'll do what we do! any of ya who want to go out on a deserted highway and try me i'm game! sub 12 realy kills me to. HVAC you gonna tell me you drive that thing reg. on the street ,yea right ! prob. as much as Garmon drives the white truck.





That's it for now. Scott

 

[csutton7]

I drive my truck every day--no it's not a sub 12er--only raced twice and blew a head gasket once--I use my truck to pull though--did you o-ring or do something else---I'll say this there are many pull and race trucks that are driven everyday, but there are a growing # that are becoming specific event trucks, although they are licensed to drive---chris

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Proram

any of ya who want to go out on a deserted highway and try me i'm game! Scott

I'm yer huckleberry... thats just my game... ...

 

[lmills]

Oh yeah, I have a chevelle that has DOT legal tires and is tagged and insured. Runs 10's all day long at track. Considered to be street legal, but far from a daily driver.

 

[HVAC]

Sub 12 realy kills me to. HVAC you gonna tell me you drive that thing reg. on the street ,yea right ! prob. as much as Garmon drives the white truck.

For you non-believers, I was referring to Richards truck, you know the current record holder on fuel??? And yes, it is a daily driver. Matter of fact he drove five hours to get to Phoenix to race. And he had his family as well as his father and mother with him. Guess that'd be a daily driver!!!!!!!!!:-laf :-laf :-laf



But this bickering is all worthless. I am more interested in what happened with the engine that lost the head gasket. More accurately WHY. My remark about "sub 12 second" was in response to Mr. Sled berating the dyno numbers we post. IOW, if you don't want to believe the dyno numbers, the clocks at the strip don't lie. Point is that Richard's head gasket is not a problem at 95 psi.



Anybody wanna discuss head sealing techniques?

 

[lmills]

I would love to hear some head sealing talks. What are you doing to hold 95 psi?

 

[Sled Puller]

What bickering?



HVAC, how long did your first -o-ring job hold?

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I would love to hear some head sealing talks. What are you doing to hold 95 psi?



C-Ring will do it!



Jim

 

[HVAC]

Sled, my first O-ring job (Chris's truck) was a failure. But this was just a learning curve. A Bit*h, but nothing seemed to go right at first. I F'd up my head too. No problem with admitting I sucked at first. But we have learned from our mistakes. That's all you can ask. Figure out what failed and fix it. Dave Mitchell would prolly admit he had failures too. He's told me about a number of them.



So anyway, I had to reengineer my copper gasket system on my head and then things started to click. I had tried Don's copper gasket with dismal results. Now we have some strong runners out there with great results, including my racer.



Richard's truck is the front runner. He's running a bit more boost then I am and he drives his truck every day. He's had more track time then I have over the last six months too. Lookin' good so far.

 

[HVAC]

Jim is right, a C-ring system will hold for sure. However, it was my goal to come up with a system that would not require removal of the engine. Usually removal would be required to go with C-rings.

 

[JDailey]

Chris-yes 90+psi out of a single. On a puller. And no, I'm not the only one. And they aren't even internet turbos! Holy cow! So how fast has the two chargered rocket went, hvac? Are you saying it's not sub 12 second?? And again..... what's the cold wheels measure on these chargers you're talking about??

 

[csutton7]

JDailey--cool--are these on trucks or tractors or both--would love to hear about the build up of the trucks and engines---



sleddy-- I think we got 6-7mos out of the first attempt-no waste-gate or blow off-it blew on the race track--I drove it for 6mos after until the water temp would get out of control when I hit 30psi--then we made some adjustments and so far so good--it never blew oil in the coolant or coolant in the oil -it would just pressurize the coolant system and heat the water very quickly---chris

 

[JDailey]

On both Chris. But the charger on the truck probably has a cold wheel bigger than what you guys are running on your top stage charger!

 

[HVAC]

JDailey, we have run out of room for larger turbos on the trucks. Richard's truck has a body lift that helps.



My hero Dave Mitchell told me that they have resorted to shimming the body a time or two. Sneeky Ohidahoans!