Competition COMP461 drives for banks?

[Jim Fulmer]

Good to have you back online with us Greg. Funny that everyone has such an issue with you, yet when we are around each other all we do is have fun talking trucks. Going over to the April 21st dyno event in Lewisville if I can get that day off and see if I can top my last numbers..... Wes told me so tricks to try and I found some better fuel, not more, just better.



Jim

 

[JasonCzerak]

So lets compare Edge to Banks:

So, we don't list the faster Edge juice run in the summary? Just the slower juice run? it's obvious that the disclaimer that you sign with edge to get the hot program that you need a built trans, and turbo and fuel system to keep up with the programming. Totally different league and should not "logically" be part of the "test".

In fact running any tune above the 125hp-ish mark requires other supporting hardware to take advantage of it. A large turbo or twins on the edge juice HOT or any programmer on "HOT" will clear up the exhaust real nice. I call BS here.

And less then a 10th is typical driver error. the edge juice and the 6 gun are essentially the "SAME", with the exception of cost.

Also I fine it interesting how banks can "guess" EGT temps and post them in the banks summery with products that do not come with EGT probes? Banks did not list EGTS for all and does not have a separate probe in the "white paper"

Sorry Try again I claim BS. Typical marketing crap.

Nothing on you comp for this one, just your company you shake the pomp pomps for.

*edits, the save button got away from me*

 

[John_P]

NOW JOHN, WHO WOULD YOU HAVE TO ARGUE WITH……. ,

If I would not have renewed my membership. Now you have a reason to wake up in the morning, and I'm sure you rush to turn on your computer to see what I will say next.

I have been busy getting ready for the first NHRA Top sportsman race, and hopefully for Vegas DHRA race. I am limited in what I will say, but I have always backed up my claims and the performances I espouse.



And to you contention that the products Gale Banks Engineering, don't make power of are less then advertised.



http://bankspower.com/LBZ-whitePaper.cfm

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Greg:



I can assure you that I DO NOT "rush to turn on my computer to see what you will say next!" However,... . I do like to keep my eye on your little "statements" in SOME of the threads you post to assure that you are telling the truth and NOT "exaggerating facts" as you have done in the past!

You and I BOTH know what I am talking about as we have been over it so many times before.

Let's see,... . the most recent had to be "my Son and I bothering you at the staging lanes in Atlanta!":-laf That was a good one Greg! FACT: You called ME over to the "Dr. Performance Truck" to THANK ME for telling you that your good friend and Crewmember on that race team called you a ******* IDIOT! The next one that comes to mind is your statement on "CompDiesel"

that the "old guard" engine builders like Scheid, Haisley or Enterprise "can't build a drag race engine that will spool-up on an acceleration type dyno!"

I sent you numerous respectful P. M. 's and posted on some of your threads asking you if you looked at the video of my dyno run and as of right now, I have still received NO ANSWER from you!! Why is that Greg?? My guess is because you truly don't care and did not look at it, or you did look at it and are too embarrased or ashamed to get on here or on "CompDiesel" and admit you are WRONG! And you are wrong about that too, and here is the PROOF for all the TDR Members to see that an "old guard" engine builder (as you put it) like Scheid, Haisley or Enterprise CAN and DO build Cummins 5. 9 Engines that will spool-up on an acceleration type engine dyno, this dyno being the "heavy roller" Dynojet 248H:"



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3403781569936276784&hl=en



Now if there is still some "doubt in your mind" that I have somehow "doctored, modified, or enhanced" that video there were plenty of witnesses there that also saw it happen. And to take it one step further, if you believe that it does not or cannot equate to an actual drag race run then here is a video of this past weekend of me running my 1/8th mile qualifying run at the "Outer Banks Bounty Hunter Diesel Drag Races" in Creswell, N. C. this past weekend, Saturday March 24, 2007:



http://youtube.com/watch?v=FH05ByEyuEc



As with the dyno video, there were also plenty of witnesses there, some of them highly respected "Pro-Street DHRA Drag Racers" like Jeff Garmon, Buck Spruill, Darren Morrison and Phillip Palmer to name a few.



As far as that Banks Video you posted, I would have to agree with what TDR Member "JasonCzerak" said. If Banks is doing the testing, IMO the results are "flawed" right there. I would like to see an "independent" dyno test of all those boxes and programmers by someone like David Dunbar at say an event like "Thunder In Indy" or "May Madness" or any event David attends around the country!



Greg, one last thing. I have NEVER said to you that you were not a good driver and have done well in the diesel drag racing field! I can't speak to your accomplishments before that because I did not know you and did not follow that type of racing in the gas world. To the contrary, I told you at Atlanta and after that, you have done well and you have! What I DID SAY to you was "To prove yourself and your products on the drag strip and NOT to attack and belittle your diesel competitors on these diesel internet websites!" I think most everyone here would agree with that too Greg!



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Jim Fulmer:



Let me apologize to you in advance if I have upset you here Sir with my post to Greg. You have told me before many times you don't like the "banter" and or "arguing" and I respect that Jim. But as I have wrote to you in the past, I will respond to any statements Greg makes to me personally. Sorry if you can't see that Sir!



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John_P

 

[Ruckuz]

..... Builder of the Quickest... And Fastest???

 

[LPreston]

Until the testing is done by an outside, independent 3rd party, that paper has absolutley ZERO street cred with me. That goes for any item by any company. Thats why I never believe testimonials of products. I always wonder how much was made up by the website guy.

 

[COMP461]

Until the testing is done by an outside, independent 3rd party, that paper has absolutley ZERO street cred with me. That goes for any item by any company. Thats why I never believe testimonials of products. I always wonder how much was made up by the website guy.

Funny thing about it, if it was wrong where is the rebuttal. The facts stand and if there was any chance that it was misleading, and then the company’s making the products tested would have a field day in court under the truth in advertising laws. Seems like crickets from the side lines



For to long the keyboard geniuses on here would tell a story and tell it as if it was fact, making it seem like everyone was of this opinion, if they were intelligent. But this time that doesn’t seem to be the case, because the truth is coming out, GBE products make the most responsible power available on the market for people that want to enhance the performance of their stock trucks. Others make power, and can boast a bigger dyno number, but not with out a price to pay either sooner or later

 

[COMP461]

And No It Dosen't Use Stock Head Bolts

 

[COMP461]

And You Will Not See Any Stacks Or Smoke

 

[Ruckuz]

got any more pics of that thing?

 

[RacinDuallie]

*Yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnn*











-Hey Mr. Porterfield , How's that ol Dodge

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

GBE products make the most responsible power available on the market for people that want to enhance the performance of their stock trucks. Others make power, and can boast a bigger dyno number, but not with out a price to pay either sooner or later

Although this has been discussed in other threads, GBE has a major flaw. Customer service. Been there, done that. Make a purchase and follow up customer service is nill. Have a problem with a GBE product, customer service is not availiable, after all, they already got your money, no need to help you out after that.



I was also wondering Comp, is your loyalty with GBE now because thats where the paycheck is coming from, or is Dr. Perfomance boxes better than GBE? Are the Dr. Perfomance chips no good now?

 

[JasonCzerak]

These guys messing around on the street have more more creditable results in my book.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149936&highlight=banks+vs+bully+dog

 

[COMP461]

Although this has been discussed in other threads, GBE has a major flaw. Customer service. Been there, done that. Make a purchase and follow up customer service is nill. Have a problem with a GBE product, customer service is not availiable, after all, they already got your money, no need to help you out after that.



I was also wondering Comp, is your loyalty with GBE now because thats where the paycheck is coming from, or is Dr. Perfomance boxes better than GBE? Are the Dr. Perfomance chips no good now?

And your telling me that you personally buy Gale Banks Product, after you tell everyone have bad their product is?



So you personally have experienced the customer service, I think not, This is more “he said she said”, hearsay.



You all like to tell this tale but its all second hand knowledge. A friend of a friend’s cousin’s next door neighbor had a problem. You can say that about anyone product if you twist it enough.



The truth is I personal have experienced their customer service when installing a Six-gun Tuner. It was excellent and to the point, the service tech was knowledgeable and walked me thru the install. the instructions would have been sufficent , but were misplaced. I never once told them who I was, and even received a call back later on to check that everything was satisfactory and running fine

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And as to the product of my former truck owners, I had no knowledge of the diesel world when I first was asked to develop that program, and like most enjoyed the kick in the seat of the pants that the product gave.

I saw the dyno results and was impressed.

I have learned more and more everyday, and now that I have seen the data Log results of different products and their effect on CR rail pressure, and that result in the long run on trucks I have enough knowledge to know what Product I would use, and what products I would not.





If you want safe reliable power, then you need to look at the people that are spending the money and doing the research. Gale Banks has the most extensive diesel dyno facility in the nation even to include the OEM and they use it every day. They don't just have a inertia dyno making 4 or 5 pulls until it makes a good number, but spend thousands of hours of in chassis load cell dynoing and out of chassis engine dynoing.

The same people that are doing the work on TYPE D drag truck and the TYPE R road race truck are the ones that do the extensive engineering on every product coming out of GBE . Look at that truck, and you will see the attention to detail.





This is my first time to set back and watch as a vehicle I will drive is being built, and it’s hard to not get to spin wrenches on this project. I have every confidence in the ability’s of the members of the team that Gale assembled in the prototype shop, many have come from top NASCAR teams , Indy Car teams and aerospace industry. So you have no wiggle room to set back and talk about what you have very little knowledge about.



Now I will get off my some box, I just had to answer the untruths espoused here.

 

[COMP461]

got any more pics of that thing?

here are a few more , I’m sure I’ll get in a little hot water over posting these , but I had to show the world that the TYPE D is not just sitting around. But getting every last detail attended to I am getting my self read for the extensive racing schedule that is ahead of us . We are going to run a full card of Top Sportsman Races to even make a run at points if my reaction times can recover from a few years of match racing.

 

[lcaad1249]

Funny thing about it, if it was wrong where is the rebuttal. The facts stand and if there was any chance that it was misleading, and then the company’s making the products tested would have a field day in court under the truth in advertising laws. Seems like crickets from the side lines

So you're saying that the other company's could send a rebuttal to what Banks saw on a particular day? That's rediculous. All Bank's would have to say is that's was seen by us and the lawsuit could go no farther. I think you're really reaching this time.



I guarantee if all 5 company's did similar there would be 5 different results. Their's might even include a price comparison for the most bang for your buck. I might be wrong on this, but the banks comparison didn't say whether the numbers used for the quarter mile comaprison used the speed loader making these tests pretty one-sided using a 140 HP chip to beat the rest. In doing tests like this, you can give results showing whatever you want.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

And your telling me that you personally buy Gale Banks Product, after you tell everyone have bad their product is?



So you personally have experienced the customer service, I think not, This is more “he said she said”, hearsay.



You all like to tell this tale but its all second hand knowledge. A friend of a friend’s cousin’s next door neighbor had a problem. You can say that about anyone product if you twist it enough.





. So you have no wiggle room to set back and talk about what you have very little knowledge about.



Now I will get off my some box, I just had to answer the untruths espoused here.

Sorry Ole Compy, Some of this is personal experience:



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121755&highlight=Banks



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130555&highlight=Banks



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128313&highlight=Banks



You want more?



Better yet, take those threads, with all the unhappy (lost) but yet potential customers to gool ole Gale, have "GALE" publicly aplogize here on the TDR for their crappy customer service and I will THINK about buying something in BANKS product line again.



You can take your foot out of your mouth now:-laf

 

[John_P]

Funny thing about it, if it was wrong where is the rebuttal. The facts stand and if there was any chance that it was misleading, and then the company's making the products tested would have a field day in court under the truth in advertising laws. Seems like crickets from the side lines



For to long the keyboard geniuses on here would tell a story and tell it as if it was fact, making it seem like everyone was of this opinion, if they were intelligent. But this time that doesn't seem to be the case, because the truth is coming out, GBE products make the most responsible power available on the market for people that want to enhance the performance of their stock trucks. Others make power, and can boast a bigger dyno number, but not with out a price to pay either sooner or later

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COMP:



If the stuff GBE makes and markets is so great and makes so much power then please tell me how many diesel drag trucks (Tube Chassis or Pro-Street)

are running GBE Products on them?? Answer: NONE!!! We are still wating to see you run that GBE Type D Sidewinder Dragster in the 7's too!! When is that going to happen??? Oh, BTW,... ..... we KNOW we won't see black smoke on it because you will have that NX Nitrous System pouring so much NOS that the truck will NEVER emit black smoke!



Also, I am STILL waiting for your answer on whether you EVER looked at the dyno video of my truck there on Google??? Because it was YOU that said "Banks Competitors (the "old guard" as you put it) could NOT build a

diesel engine that would spool an acceleration dyno!" Remember that Greg??

Try this on for size and you tell me if this truck can spool an acceleration dyno or not! Warning: YOU WILL SEE BLACK SMOKE!!!:-laf I may add some NOS to clear some of that up for you!



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3403781569936276784&hl=en



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John_P

 

[LPreston]

Greg... these 'tests' were done on 3/1. Give the webguy 2 weeks to get er done and posted. I'm certain that the company gave the manufacturers of the other products time to review the results prior to posting, right? Yeah, uh huh. Get yer head out of yer helmet. FYI:

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[LPreston]

John,



Greg will never acknowledge the vid. Pity. He gets himself involved in threads and then just walks away like he forgot about them. We could literally start a forum on unanswered Comp-questions.

 

[John_P]

John,



Greg will never acknowledge the vid. Pity. He gets himself involved in threads and then just walks away like he forgot about them. We could literally start a forum on unanswered Comp-questions.

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Lewis:



Yeah,... ... you are right about that buddy!:-laf But at least everybody else here can see the TRUTH and also see that AGAIN,... Greg Hogue (COMP 461)

is WRONG in his "assumptions!" BTW,... ... we are looking forward to seeing you guys real soon!



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John_P