:confused:Shifting Problem

[domehead]

Hi All,



First major problem I had with the truck so. I was backing my trailer into a very tight spot which required a lot of moving back and forth to inch it into it slot. The transmission started to act up, it would not shift into reverse after taken it out and moving it into first or second. The only way I was able to shift it in reverse was to turn the truck off and then restarting it. After about another 5 minutes the same issue started in the forward gears all gears.



I check the fluid level in the clutch system it that was good. The other part the truck was on level ground and the total load including the goose neck trailer is about 8,500 pounds. I did have the trailer at 90 to the truck couple times but beyond that there was no other undue stress on the truck.



Has anyone else seen this type of problem and or know how to correct it.



Thank you in advance,



Domehead

 

[B.G. Smith]

Hey Dome, how hot is it where you are? My guess is the air in the engine compartment got very hot because you were not moving much and boiled the brake fluid in the clutch system?? Just a guess. bg

 

[domehead]

It was is the high 90's and about 90 percent humity

 

[domehead]

had to take a load of stuff to Fl this weekend and when I driving to traffic and shift alot it became hard to shift between gears. Yes I was towing a trailer



Taken it to the dealer in the morning.

 

[B.G. Smith]

Strange thatno one else has had this problem with the 2010 and that it occurs when truck is hot/working. Still sounds like something in the hydraulic system of the clutch release? Hope you get it worked out tomorrow. bg

 

[GCroyle]

Domehead,



A suggestion, and it actually applies to all of us with Manual Transmissions.



Study how your clutch pedal feels and when things start to respond to its commands.



The hydraulic system only has certain powers over the clutch and your Dual Mass Flywheel DMF and Self Adjusting Clutch SAC (and not I'm not inventing these acronyms, the clutch industry has been using these for years) only has certain powers also.



I got into a road tractor at work the other day and the clutch had just been replaced, high mileage, normal wear. The engine was off, no I didn't drive the truck, I pressed on the pedal and heard a bunch of dashboard pedal cluster noises, assigned driver wasn't even aware that his personal rig had that noise in it.



B. G. your comment is very interesting and not impossible, but this being a new truck, for it to happen, someone messed up. We are pretty darn lucky, Fords with their PSD V-8's have had certain years when a hi operating temp slave cylinder was optional and it has a fabric boot heat shield just to help keep the cylinder from cooking.



Asking your buddy with a similar truck and clutch to feel the pedal is a decent comparison. But keep it apples to apples, a stock G56 system feels different than a stock NV5600.



Good luck

 

[domehead]

The dealer gioing change out the slave cylinder to seee if that fixes the problem. It's on order with the fuel filter.

 

[JRS]

I took mine in the other day to the dealer because the clutch pedal has a "catch" in the travel. You have to be careful backing it up to my gooseneck hitch trailer with the tail gate down. Backing up an inch or two is especially tricky if you are not used to the clutch in my truck. The dealer said it was normal that they all did this. I will be taking it to another dealer.

 

[domehead]

Your dealer is out of his/her mind.

 

[67guzzler]

Ditto to domehead's comments.

Clutch travel should be smooth. Otherwise, driving the truck is dangerous. One could argue (if they were the arguing kind) that dealer is liable for any mishap that happens while you drive it after you brought it to their attention.

Taking it to another dealer is a good call.

 

[domehead]

Dealer replaced the slave today and it did not fix the problem he has order a new clutch and pressure plate for it.

 

[domehead]

The truck is at the dealer forthe replacement parts to be installed over the next two days.

 

[domehead]

Update on clutch.



The dealer installed a new clutch and pressure plate over the last three days and it appear to be working fine until.



I hooked my goose neck up and everything was good until I started backing up a small grade with about 8,000lb of total weight including trailer. The clutch started to chatter and persisted.



I figure it was oil or something. When I returned to the shop with the rest of my equipment which only was another 7500 lbs the truck did the same thing it chatted going up the grade.



I will call the dealer in the morning to try to figure out what is causing this problem with a new clutch.

 

[RBanting]

I had a similar problem after the garage changed the oil. Found out that they put a different oil in. I requested castrol syntorque only and after they changed it again to the proper oil, no problems (one year now).

 

[domehead]

RBanting,



Which oil are you talkng about? I was thinking that the clutch plate got some oil on it which caused the chatter.



I talk to the dealer this morning and he wants me to bring the truck in with the trailer and load on it so ther can test it.



The first response fron the sevice writer is the it's dual masss fly wheel and it should work that way. I expalin to him that before the clutch was change the truck never had that issue.

 

[HBarlow]

Sad. That service writer probably clerked in a convenience store or sold television sets before he became a service writer.

A new truck or a new truck with a newer replacement clutch assembly should not chatter. That would not be satisfactory to me.

 

[domehead]

I will give them another try next week and see what happens. I will keep the group updated on this issue.

 

[domehead]

Update:



Ok per the dealer request I took the truck and trailer with load on the trailer total weight per scales 21,820 lbs.



Front axle 5520lbs rear 5950 trailer axles 10350



After showing up at the dealer none of them want to try to back it up the small grade to duplicate the problem. The tech is going to call dodge help line and see what could be causing it.



Waiting on dodge to call back with answer and a fix maybe.

 

[GCroyle]

domehead,



Interesting series of posts.



Q. Have you done any mod's to the load carrying system of your truck? Any helpers of any kind?



Did they replace your DMF at the clutch change? It is an active member of the transfer of torque from the engine to the clutch and input shaft.



Contamination of any type on friction surfaces is a big no no. W/O seeing the parts after teardown, it must be maintained as a possible, but un-confirmed.



Does the dealer still have your old parts? If so try to get a picture of one of the small yellow springs on top of the cover stamping, try to make the image about the size of a 3"X5" or less section with the yellow spring in the center. Also try to measure the amount of facing left above one of the flat rivet heads, not the flared side, the flat side.



Good luck.

 

[domehead]

domehead,



Interesting series of posts.



Q. Have you done any mod's to the load carrying system of your truck? Any helpers of any kind?



A. No mods and no helpers. I tow a 10 ton goose neck trailer.



Did they replace your DMF at the clutch change? It is an active member of the transfer of torque from the engine to the clutch and input shaft.



A. No they did not replace the DMF just Clutch and perssure plate.



Contamination of any type on friction surfaces is a big no no. W/O seeing the parts after teardown, it must be maintained as a possible, but un-confirmed.



A. The tech used a die grinder on the DMF surface.



Does the dealer still have your old parts? If so try to get a picture of one of the small yellow springs on top of the cover stamping, try to make the image about the size of a 3"X5" or less section with the yellow spring in the center. Also try to measure the amount of facing left above one of the flat rivet heads, not the flared side, the flat side.



A. No the dealer did not have my parts.



I did call the dealer to day to see if Dodge tech support called them back and as of this asfternoon the answer is no.



Good luck.

Thank you and I will keep posting on this issue.