Congress increases its pay despite recession

[The patriot]

Don M, I'm in pretty much agreement with your statements. If you dont work, and pay taxes, why can you vote? And we have convicts voting!!! WTF!!!



On the unions:

I've been in unions. Much of it is, who goes to the union meetings. If you dont attend the meetings (unless you're married into the family) you just aint going to get the premium jobs no matter how well you perform. This is my experience. IUOE local 68. This is just my experience with one union.



I dont consider myself a democrat or republican. Neither party stands for this country (or the working man)anymore, AFIC.

Are there any conststutionalists, or liberitarians out there? There agenda is much more appealing to the working man, IMO. If they do become more popular, they'll just be railroaded by our present partys. And we all know, any law they write is as good as gold, right?

Eric

 

[Champane Flight]

Come on

Come on,you can't actually believe this stuff PW?Pay us or die?I am sure there are other hospitals in Portland. And everything is a Democratic conspiracy. That sounds familiar,does it not?Maybe you should look at some of the people who are really holding us hostage,the hospital administrators and big corps that own and run the hospitals. NOT the nurses. Somehow youve gotten sidetracked. I am sure the nurses got together and set the prices on the Nitro. . Uh Huh... ... Whether the nurses make thirty dollars or ten dollars,the hospital is still going to rip you off!Our hospital charges people $2. 00 a tablet for tylenol!!!!You can go to Wal-mart and buy a bottle of 50 for $3. 00 . Poor,poor hospital!



Since when are the only people lobbying in Washington the Unions?they are a very small voice in DC,the big voices are big buisness. After all most of the big perks come from them. And really,Unions promote taxes?Man,you are digging deep here,I have never heard a Union rep promote higher taxes!



Yes,if you do belong to a Union,you should be active. just like voting if you don't vote you have no reason to ***** about the person voted in. If you do not take part in your Union you have no right to *****. A Union is only as strong as its members.



Here our goverment is giving away $30,000,000,000. 00 to people who have done nothing,but die in a terrorist attack. You all feel this is just fine. But let a group of workers get together and ask for better wages and benefits,OH my god its the end of the world!



I see that one member has even gone as far as grouping liberals into being Gay,Female,Black,Latino,Goverment workers,Union members,and Trial lawyers!Whoa!What are really trying to say here?Maybe all Ultra Rightwing Conservatives,own diesel pickups?



As far as the Unions becomeing militant. If anything they have become more and more peaceful. In the old days anyone crossing a picket line took a chance on getting the crap beat out of them,nowadays all you can do is hold a sign and watch them(Scabs)steal your job... .



No there is nothing wrong with some company like we'll say "Nike" moving their factorys overseas. Except that it just put 50,000 people out of work. NOT because they wern't making money here. Its because they wern't making ENOUGH money here. Do you think they passed that savings on to the consumer?RIGHT!!!!!!It is the same story with every buisness that has moved it operations overseas or to Mexico.

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Come on

Originally posted by Champane Flight

Come on,you can't actually believe this stuff PW?Pay us or die?I am sure there are other hospitals in Portland. And everything is a Democratic conspiracy. That sounds familiar,does it not?Maybe you should look at some of the people who are really holding us hostage,the hospital administrators and big corps that own and run the hospitals. NOT the nurses. Somehow youve gotten sidetracked. I am sure the nurses got together and set the prices on the Nitro. . Uh Huh... ... Whether the nurses make thirty dollars or ten dollars,the hospital is still going to rip you off!Our hospital charges people $2. 00 a tablet for tylenol!!!!You can go to Wal-mart and buy a bottle of 50 for $3. 00 . Poor,poor hospital!

You are in serious hurting for lack of knowledge here.

Yes, hospitals charge you 2 or 3 bucks a pill for tylenol. The pill costs practically nothing at WalMart, that's true. Not so for the Hospital. Their means of procurement and recordkeeping makes it cost far more. The paperwork involved in giving it and maintaining the records of it, and getting reimbursed from insurance cost a LOT. The nurse doesn't just grab a pill from the bottle on the back counter and hand it to you and say "it's easier with water". NOpe. Every one of those pills must be accounted for, who took it, when, where, by who's authority, and then those records are transcribed and archived for many years. Several copies of that simple little act of giving you tylenol are made, and go into multiple files, some of which are your patient files, your insurance billing, your doctor's records, and the drug records for the ward you're on. Just the costs of the records and billing people and insurance people probably adds up to more than than the measly 2 or 3 bucks they charge for it. In all probability, that's generally just a guess



So don't give me crap about getting rich on $2 tylenol pills... It's a money loser, in all probability. But, then, if we didn't regulate the living daylights out of medicine, perhaps it would not c ost that much...

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Come on

Originally posted by Champane Flight

Come on,you can't actually believe this stuff PW?Pay us or die?I am sure there are other hospitals in Portland.

Unlike certain devotees of left-leaning politics, I never say what I do not mean, except in jest... For humor.



I take it you've never worked in a hospital. I have. Minor role, to be sure, but if the nurses walk out at the end of a shift, and do not return, yes, it is life-threatening.

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Come on

Originally posted by Champane Flight

Maybe you should look at some of the people who are really holding us hostage,the hospital administrators and big corps that own and run the hospitals.

Name these big corps... And you're blaming the administrators?



Gee, what a swell target. I take it you've never known a hospital administrator. I have. Been friends and neighbors with a couple of them. Nice guys. Tend to die an early death from stress, but what the hey... i'm sure that 50-70K a year they earn compensates them well. NOT!!!!



I guess you've not bothered to check into the operations of hospitals lately. Most are barely staying alive. ALL of the ones in my area are either barely staying alive or being kept alive by infusions of cash from outside... and not a one is expanding, rich, or is making big profits. Most have cut back in some way, closed wards, or found some way of slimming operations. Around here, when a major bit of equipment is updated or obtained, it's generally accompanied by a little article in the paper about how some company or group or organization funded a big chunk of it.



But, hey, since nobody knows that, generally, it makes a convenient, even if totally dishonest argument, no?

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Come on

Originally posted by Champane Flight





Since when are the only people lobbying in Washington the Unions?they are a very small voice in DC,the big voices are big buisness. After all most of the big perks come from them. And really,Unions promote taxes?Man,you are digging deep here,I have never heard a Union rep promote higher taxes!



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Unions only support Democrat politicians. Democrats only raise taxes, ergo, unions are for raising taxes. Duhhh... even a child can figure that one out. Oh, wait, children generally have an interest in finding reality.

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Here our goverment is giving away $30,000,000,000. 00 to people who have done nothing,but die in a terrorist attack. You all feel this is just fine. But let a group of workers get together and ask for better wages and benefits,OH my god its the end of the world!



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Please quote my approval of the giveaway (I didn't)... But then quote my explanation for why I think they're doing it. And then try to rebut that, instead of misrepresenting everyone's commentary on the topic.

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I see that one member has even gone as far as grouping liberals into being Gay,Female,Black,Latino,Goverment workers,Union members,and Trial lawyers!Whoa!What are really trying to say here?Maybe all Ultra Rightwing Conservatives,own diesel pickups?



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no, sensible people drive Dodge Diesels, for the most part. Sensible people don't vote Democrat or cling to liberal ideology, either, because doing both is senseless. Kind of a no-brainer, actually.

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As far as the Unions becomeing militant. If anything they have become more and more peaceful. In the old days anyone crossing a picket line took a chance on getting the crap beat out of them,nowadays all you can do is hold a sign and watch them(Scabs)steal your job... .



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"Steal your job"? What kind of idiocy is that? If you're refusing to work, then what right ahve you to the job? None. You never had a "right" to it anyway.



Oh, they spike your tires, cut your brake lines, firebomb your house, throw stuff at those who are willing to do the work necessary, and otherwise commit various and sundry acts of violence, including wholesale murder and other crimes. History is well documented, I fail to see why you try to deny it. The university hospital had to hire dozens of security people to prevent the strikers from assaulting those who did work. It took an extra 2 hours just to get the nurses onto the wards, the first few days, because the strikers threatened everyone, up to and including the poor saps who just drove bus for the local city transit system.

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No there is nothing wrong with some company like we'll say "Nike" moving their factorys overseas. Except that it just put 50,000 people out of work. NOT because they wern't making money here. Its because they wern't making ENOUGH money here. Do you think they passed that savings on to the consumer?RIGHT!!!!!!It is the same story with every buisness that has moved it operations overseas or to Mexico.

Geee... Nike exists to make a profit. Maybe we just put everyone out of busines who wants to make a profit. That way we can all starve in the cold and dark. At least, then, you'd have no complaints that someone is making money.



The people who run Nike have an obligation to those who have invested thier money in Nike (that's you, me, and millions of others who depend on those returns for retirement, etc) to make as much profit as possible, so as to make the best return on thier investment. I know I want the companies my retirement money is invested in to make money - And in spite of your apparent disagreement with that idea, i'm willing to bet you do too.



So, umm... if Nike can make me a lot more return on my money by assembling shoes in maylasia... well... they're going to move there.



So, we are faced with the REAL issue after all is said and done... that being: If you dont' want all the jobs to leave, your'e going to have to make it possible to be highly profitable to do stuff here. That means, decent wages (not 35 an hour in Portland Oregon), abolish income taxes, and establish labor and other policies that promote the concept of making a profit right here on our shores.



And, that brings us to the big problem.



That will NEVER happen with Democrats gumming up the works. It'll barely happen with Republicans in firm control. Why? 50 years of constant harping about "taxing the rich", "making them pay thier fair share" and voluminous other rot, including 99 out of 100 words coming from every union rep and spokesman in the country has made the idea of punitive taxation, punitive policies and an attitude of "getting even" with everyone and everything that does anthing better than you do.



Your posts reek with it. Your assult on the "administrators" and "big corps" that run hospitals, etc, etc. None of which is actually based upon knowledge and rational thought... just an learned emotional reaction that's been drummed into you for 20 years. Try thought and knowledge... it's fantastically liberating.

 

[LarryB]

Quote

"No there is nothing wrong with some company like we'll say "Nike" moving their factorys overseas. "



Notice the 14th word in the above phrase. "their" denotes ownership. Nike can move "their" factory to the moon if they want. All the employees have to do to keep their job is buy enough stock to have controlling interest. It's simple, Come on guys, put up your money, start or buy your own business, carry your own weight, take some risk, stick your neck out, stand on your own two feet. Put up your money or shut up. Where do these people get off think they have a right to a job. That type thinking is exactly why jobs move overseas.





PowerWagon

Reading your posts I am amazed at the clearity of which you see the current US/world economic situation. You are absolutely right on the money. It's a rotten feeling watching this happen to our country while so many people havn't a clue.



Keep it up!!

Larry

 

[Don M]

I can say that me and PW dont always agree. Most of the time I think we do. He is one of the main reasons I started reading and posting on the "Other" forum to begin with.



Keep truckin PW



Your spot-on more than not!



Don~

 

[Power Wagon]

What the hey... it doesn't take all that much knowledge to figure out what's going on. I worked for small businesses all of my life, and even started and lost one of my own.



I used to patiently discuss and argue things like tax and monetary policy with people, but after watching some talking head (long forgotten who) on TV explaining that the Clinton tax increases got the economy going, and the interviewer just nodding and smiling right along with it, something clicked. From that point on, I decided this isn't about competing and valid economic ideas... It's about reality vs fairy tales. Raising taxes could not, did not, and could NEVER stimulate true economic growth. It is an absolute impossibility. At that point, I figured out that either that guy on TV (both of them, actually) were absolute imbeciles, who were too stupid to grasp even the most basic fundamentals of economic activity... . Or, they thought that those of us watching were.



And, when applying this simple "sniff test" to a lot of other stuff going on out there, you'll find there's a whole lot of things that find broad public acceptance that haven't even the faintest grounding in reality.



All you have to do is take a simple accounting class, and then look at the performance of a company via their books, or just simple reports to realize that nobody's really making very much profit.



The average large corporation spends more money to comply with the income tax laws than it pays in income taxes. Cumulatively, it is estimated that compliance with the federal income tax costs just slightly more than is collected in revenue. That number was from about 7 or 8 years ago, and I'm sure has gotten worse since we've added a mountain of laws - some of which conflict - to our income tax system.



I urge you to examine the profit/loss statements of any large company that's considered highly profitable... Microsoft, oil company, etc, and you'll find out that thier profits are generally in single digit percentages of gross sales, and often in the LOW single digits.



In these days of sharp analyzing and massively collected data it's now commonplace to run a lot of numbers and strip decisions down to the bottom line. Investments in growth or expansion or even startup now hinge on 1 and 2 percent margins. When moving to some asian country, or even mexico or south america can make double digit changes to your bottom line, of course these people are going to move. It's a no-brainer.



So what do we do about it? We could try the Pat Buchannan method, go protectionist and isolationist, but no country that has ever tried that has succeeded in being prosperous. The lack of international competition causes monopolistic behavior at home, and the people are the ones who lose. Instead, it's time we recognized that our world has shrunk, so that asia is now just a neighbor across the pond, our souther neighbors are just down the block, and Europe is just across the alley from us.



WE have to be competitive. No, that doesn't mean paying 2 bucks an hour to build computer parts. It means we stop throwing up massive barricades to profitability on our shores. Americans can easily compete with third world countries where labor is 1/10 or even less, because we are so much more productive here, due to a whole laundry list of factors. But we are not infinitely productive - there is only so much advantage we have, and we should be using it, instead of stifling it with stupid tax and fiscal and regulatory policy.



We COULD build TV's here. But we don't. And we dont' because building TV's here would be capital intensive, for a small return. TV making is done in countries that don't tax capital... check it out.



We could build tv's here... If we didn't tax the capital needed to build the factory. We then tax the wages of the people who built it. Then we tax any conceivable profits they might make, including the money necessary to pay back debt and / or expand. Then we tax the returns the investors get.



If I've got 300K in my IRA (I don't. I have about 1. 5 % of that right now), I would be looking for sound investments that paid me back somewhere in the are of inflation plus 5 - 7%. But since we tax any and all returns on investment, we need an extra 20% more than that to invest. And we don't dare gamble, either. If you make 20K in a year on one item and lose 20K on something else, you broke even, right? NOpe. The IRS says you profited 20K and you pay taxes on it. So, really, breaking even costs you a lot. No wonder we can't sustain our economic growth. We've killed the goose that laid the golden egg by strangling it with taxes...

 

[Sled Puller]

HEY!

I have been missing some awesome discussions!



Heinz treated the employees better than ANY Union- but the ungrateful (&^&(^ voted union on him any way, a long time ago.



Nice thing about the Construction Unions is you can tell the companies to stick it, and go to the next one, same pay, same benefits.



The guys who work better faster get rewarded with more work. The slackers the Unions protect are layed off first chance.







Our Union supports Bushes energy plan, but that piece of *(&^^ Daschle won't let it come up for a vote.



And he is a "friend" to labor?

Gene

 

[Champane Flight]

Sounds as

Every word you guys are putting out sounds like its coming from the Republican handbook. Economics is not that hard to grasp.

Its you guys that have some utopian ideal that the whole world is based on profits and if big buisness prospers so do we. And you actually believe it. Sure if you had a couple of hundred thousand to plop down Nike stock thirty years ago you could be rich now. How many of the real working stiffs actually had that kind of money thirty years ago?I am living in a real world,I will never be rich,I will never retire,I will work until I die,I don't mind it,and I sure won't sit around the computer and whine about the Democrats and preach a Republican doctrine.



I have been around hospitals my whole life,they have been whining for the last thrity years(however they are still putting new additions on their buildings and replacing the carpet in the admins offices). While the nurses hold the hospital together. If you have ever worked in a hospital you should know this. The doctors come in and examine,do a procedure,write an order and go home. The nurses have to do the real work. There is a nurse shortage right now. Why? Because nobody wants to work 14 hours and get paid for 12. Because nobody wants to spend 12 to 18 hours on their feet running from room to room. How would you like to be one nurse in charge of up to 45 paitents,this is regular practice in some hospitals. Because nobody wants to put up with doctors with god like manners and shift changes that would make any grown man wince in pain. Because nobody wants to work thirty years as a nurse and get tossed out the door with NO retirement,or disability insurance and crippled up legs and feet,I know several nurses in this situation. Some thank you. Theres some thought and knowledge for you.



I have a problem with people who would take profit over humaninty. Sorry,thats just where I stand. I had my own buisness to and ran it well. It supported itself for five years. I was not out to make a killing just a small profit. It did not fall,I pulled the plug. Tired of working two jobs and 18 hours a day. Now I work 15 a day on a regular basis and seven days a week. I have to go to work today. If it wasn't for the Union I would probably not get paid for it. At least not enough to make a decent living.



If you cross a picket line you should be prepared to take a licking. You are a SCAB,period. You are out for #1 period. . And you are not only cutting the strikers throat,you are cutting your own. The hospital knew its nurses were threatening strike for the last three months,plenty of time to reroute paitents,or sit down and negoiate. Instead their egos and bottom line takes over and causes this to happen. I have NO pity for the SCABs that cross,as I have NO pity for the hospital. If you look closer I am sure you will find that it is not just about wages. Talk to the strikers,truth lies there.



However eloquent your tirades are PW,they just don't impress me. Maybe you should publish?That way you won't have to sell the farm?

 

[LarryB]

Re: Sounds as

Originally posted by Champane Flight

I am living in a real world,I will never be rich

Thats it, Just give up and roll over. That helps make America strong.

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Sounds as

Originally posted by Champane Flight

Every word you guys are putting out sounds like its coming from the Republican handbook. Economics is not that hard to grasp.



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I've told you before. I am not a Republican. I am a constitutionalist. The republican party, like all political parties, has it's basic bent, but also chooses it's positions based upon what it thinks will get it votes and what thinks will work. I have no such restrictions. I merely promote the things gauranteed to work.



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Its you guys that have some utopian ideal that the whole world is based on profits and if big buisness prospers so do we. And you actually believe it. Sure if you had a couple of hundred thousand to plop down Nike stock thirty years ago you could be rich now. How many of the real working stiffs actually had that kind of money thirty years ago?I am living in a real world,I will never be rich,I will never retire,I will work until I die,I don't mind it,and I sure won't sit around the computer and whine about the Democrats and preach a Republican doctrine.



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Not "big" business... ALL business. If business does not prosper and be profitable, NONE OF US WILL. Business writes our paychecks and creates 100% of the wealth that pays the taxes, so if they aren't doing well... not blasted one of us has a snowball's chance in you know where. Unless, of course, you expect to be in some position where you're income is extorted from the misery of those around you... Government employee, labor union, etc. If you disagree with this... explain to me where it comes from, then.

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I have been around hospitals my whole life,they have been whining for the last thrity years(however they are still putting new additions on their buildings and replacing the carpet in the admins offices). While the nurses hold the hospital together. If you have ever worked in a hospital you should know this. The doctors come in and examine,do a procedure,write an order and go home. The nurses have to do the real work. There is a nurse shortage right now. Why? Because nobody wants to work 14 hours and get paid for 12. Because nobody wants to spend 12 to 18 hours on their feet running from room to room. How would you like to be one nurse in charge of up to 45 paitents,this is regular practice in some hospitals. Because nobody wants to put up with doctors with god like manners and shift changes that would make any grown man wince in pain. Because nobody wants to work thirty years as a nurse and get tossed out the door with NO retirement,or disability insurance and crippled up legs and feet,I know several nurses in this situation. Some thank you. Theres some thought and knowledge for you.



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That's a flat-out bunch of lies. No nurse works for 14 and gets paid for 12 - unless they are salary (management... and my wife has been in management), in which case, working conditions for management are often horrible. And there are NO situations where there is one nurse for 45 patients... NONE. The highest ratios are night shifts in psych hospitals, where it may reach 20 to one, but only for a few hours in the middle of the night. And I've never heard of anyone having to work 18 hours straight... well, except when the wife was in management, when she had to do her day job, and then cover for nurses who didn't show... for not a single dime extra... and never got comp time or otherwise.



Frankly, your descriptions bear no resemblance to reality. I have no idea who made up this crap... But that's what it is.



Staffing levels at the striking hospital in Portland are: Psych: 4 patients, 1 nurse. OB, 3 patients or less: 1 nurse. ER: 1:1



CCU: varies, roughly 2:1



And you call that bad? That's roughly twice as good as standard practice in the industry. And they are demanding "Better"???



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I have a problem with people who would take profit over humaninty. Sorry,thats just where I stand. I had my own buisness to and ran it well. It supported itself for five years. I was not out to make a killing just a small profit. It did not fall,I pulled the plug. Tired of working two jobs and 18 hours a day. Now I work 15 a day on a regular basis and seven days a week. I have to go to work today. If it wasn't for the Union I would probably not get paid for it. At least not enough to make a decent living.



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Nonsense. No employer can make you work for free... . Unless, of course, you are management and work for salary. Hourly working stiffs get all the protections.



All I can say, is that if you consider 25 an hour to be crappy pay (what the nurses at the OHSU hospital get, roughly), then you must make a lot more, and based upon your statements, you work 105 hours a week, and at that "crappy pay" you think nurses should strike over, $25 an hour, you gross in excess of $3,400 a WEEK. Carried out over a year, that's $178,000 +



So, if you're really a union member, you get paid by the hour, and with 65 hours of overtime a week, you're really rolling in it.



But, maybe you're not portraying your real situation... Doesn't matter... if you're working for hourly wages, you WILL get overtime and pay for every hour. And no union is needed or required for you to get it.



heck, even if you're making only $12. 50 an hour... that's 1/2 of what you consider pay worth striking over to raise... You make one heck of a lot more than 75% of the people in the country. And that's not "a decent living"?



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If you cross a picket line you should be prepared to take a licking. You are a SCAB,period.



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That's a crime. What gives you the right to commit crime against someone else, who merely disagrees with you? Maybe I have the right to bust you up with a pipe for disagreeing with me? The only thing going on is, is that you don't want to wrok, and someone else does, for your wages. It's nothing more or less than a disagreement. You have no "right" whatsoever to any job on the planet. You don't own anything... your employer does.



But, explain to me why you believe it's ok to commit a crime against someone else for disagreeing with you over what is a fair wage? YOu just said above you did... now I want the justification for it. And it better be good.



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You are out for #1 period. . And you are not only cutting the strikers throat,you are cutting your own. The hospital knew its nurses were threatening strike for the last three months,plenty of time to reroute paitents,or sit down and negoiate. Instead their egos and bottom line takes over and causes this to happen. I have NO pity for the SCABs that cross,as I have NO pity for the hospital. If you look closer I am sure you will find that it is not just about wages. Talk to the strikers,truth lies there.



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Actually, the truth is what I've been telling you.



Not another nurse in the entire state of oregon has the least pity for the strikers. They are the best paid, have the best working conditions, the highest staffing levels, the best benefits in the whole state. They are not "ill used" or otherwise. They just plain greedy. They want thier 30% in two years, even HIGHER staffing levels, plus some other minor stuff, and refuse to budge at all. The hospital started at 6% raise over 2 years, went to 16% over two years, and some of the other things they want, and the union said "nope, we do not negotiate. We get what we want or else". And they are on record in the paper saying so.



What they are asking for is roughly double local pay rates, 3X the staffing levels, and benefits nobody here gets at all. And you say it's not greed? Of course it's greed. Nothing else.



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However eloquent your tirades are PW,they just don't impress me. Maybe you should publish?That way you won't have to sell the farm?

You can lead a horse to water, but yoiu can't make him drink.



I can provide sense, but I can't make you think...

 

[Lhotka]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak





Have you ever been to a Third World Country?



Have you ever taken the time to check the "cost of living" in a third world country?



Why do people still judge the rest of the world by US standards of living, income, poverty level etc?



Do you know how far $20 can go in a third world country?



Why do people automaticly assume that when someone in such a country makes $20/day they are impoverished and downtroden?



BTW I like my cheap underwear!



Bubble Bubble Boil and Tumble.

Diesel Freak you MISREAD my post. A ten year old working 14 hours a day in a factory is against what most Americans would consider normal. I said nothing about the wages, cost of living, poverty or downtrodden. Please don't credit your thoughts to me. Thanks.

 

[LarryB]

Originally posted by Lhotka







A ten year old working 14 hours a day in a factory is against what we as Americans would consider normal. Please don't credit your thoughts to me. Thanks.

In said third world country it IS normal. Go see!



Lhotka

"we as Americans would consider normal"?

I am an American, please don't credit your thoughts to me. Thanks.

 

[Lhotka]

Larry B



FYI. The above quote credited to me was somehow altered.

Check your methods of posting quotes.

 

[Power Wagon]

Re: Sounds as

Originally posted by Champane Flight

You are a SCAB,period. You are out for #1 period. . And you are not only cutting the strikers throat,you are cutting your own.





However eloquent your tirades are PW,they just don't impress me. Maybe you should publish?That way you won't have to sell the farm?

Explain to me, please, how crossing a picket line is "cutting my own throat"? I know it's been drummed into you, it's a line, but I want the reasoning behind it.



And strikers are not out for themselves? They are really just altruistic, suffering the deprivation of pay and comforts of home so poor, downtrodden slaves in Africa will be fed or soemthing?



No, they are out for themselves, and themselves alone. The BS about doing it "for everyone else" is just that. BS.



And lastly... What "farm" am I selling?

Explain yourself.

 

[Champane Flight]

I can see this

I can see this is going nowhere fast.



My wife went to work as a new grad RN in 1974,she had 45 paitents at one time,by herself,and she was making 5. 05 an hour.

Flat out bunch of lies?A nurse goes on duty for a 12 hour shift,she is instructed to show up early to relieve and get latest changes with paitents. So she comes in one hour early,she spends her 12 hours and her relief gets there she spends another hour doing charts and filling in the relief nurse of changes. When she asks for the extra pay she is usually informed you are scheduled for 12 we pay you twelve!Allot of big hospitals are offering two 18 hour shifts on a weekend for 40 hours of straight pay. This is becoming standard practice to offer this and no benefits to single RNs with kids to take care of during the week.



I do not get 105 hrs a week,its every two weeks... . I am no longer Union,however everything I am now making was fought for and won by Unions... ... Try to support a family on 12. 50 an hour... . Any employer (around here at least)can and has told employees that there is no OT paid at there position and make them take comp time or tell them "If they don't like it theres the road". In my mind this is at the root of the downfall of America. If it takes both parents working two jobs apeice to support a family on paltry wages,what are the kids doing?They are raising themselves!



As far as "cutting your own throat",you are giving a employer a reason to continue to rip off its employees. When someone is on strike,it is not because they are happy campers. And contrary to what some believe it is not always about wages,or greed.



"From the misery of those around me"Maybe you can explain that comment to me. It is plain to see you have never worked in the trenches. I work with highly flammable materials everyday at work. If one valve is not operated in the proper sequence BOOM,we just lost half a city. Not to mention someone would not have fuel for there cars,trucks,and homes. I guess I don't deserve a decent wage?



I guess these nurses and every nurse out there that have human lives in there hands everyday don't deserve a decent wage?



I suppose that if someone steals the food from your childrens mouths and the cloths from your back,you have no right to be angry?That is what a SCAB is doing..... He is stealing... ... I have a right to bust a thief. It is not JUST a disagreement.



As you have said before you have made a choice of what side of the street you want to stand and if you are being abused as Managment,you made that choice. I don't understand your logic,in one hand they are being abused,but are afraid to stand up for themselves?Yes Boss,I is here for you Boss... .



With all the ranting about the mean greenies taking farmland from the Kalamath farmers(which was stolen from the indians). I thought you had a farm?

 

[Sled Puller]

Re: Re: Sounds as

Originally posted by Power Wagon









I can provide sense, but I can't make you think...

Pw,

Is that line yours?

If it is, you do need to publish!

I could use that line 100 times in the transmission oil discussion!LOL!



Gene

 

[JSmith]

Congress ^`s pay

We the people leave these rats in office far too long.

They are not accountable for the money that they spend.

If they had to explain to the citizens in their distrects how and why they spent our money, and be held accountable it would cut back drastically on money thrown away by these rats. But this does not happen,and the politicians don`t worry about what the citizens have to say until its re-election time. Then they tell you how good you have been served.



The pay raises that Congress gives to themselves should not be automatic. They should earn pay raises like the rest of us.



Also,no politician should serve more than TWO terms in any branch of Government. Serve and take your *** home. PERIOD