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Re: I can see this
I live in a farmland community... and the greens are targeting my area... probably next. My well-being depends upon the farmers having property rights, water, and other legal expectations.
And please ,don't give me that total BS about the Klamath Basin being stolen from the Indians. That's a political dogma... and not worth the bytes stolen to write it.
Originally posted by Champane Flight
I can see this is going nowhere fast.
My wife went to work as a new grad RN in 1974,she had 45 paitents at one time,by herself,and she was making 5. 05 an hour.
Flat out bunch of lies?A nurse goes on duty for a 12 hour shift,she is instructed to show up early to relieve and get latest changes with paitents. So she comes in one hour early,she spends her 12 hours and her relief gets there she spends another hour doing charts and filling in the relief nurse of changes. When she asks for the extra pay she is usually informed you are scheduled for 12 we pay you twelve!Allot of big hospitals are offering two 18 hour shifts on a weekend for 40 hours of straight pay. This is becoming standard practice to offer this and no benefits to single RNs with kids to take care of during the week.
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That was 26 years ago. New grads now not only do not have the floor to themselves because they canont be "charge nurse", but in no place does anyone have more than about 20 patients per nurse. And that's in places like nursing home and psych wards, where care during the night is mostly just record keeping - and the nursing homes have aids and orderlies to assist.
yes, my wife does report like everyone else. It takes about 10 to 15 minutes, and when she arrives, it's on her time, and at the end of the shift, it's on the clock. I've been there and seen report take less than 5. So don't give me nonsense about 2 hours.
Do you know WHY hospitals offer weekends with 2 18-hour shifts? It's called a shortage. RN's often work 3 12's during the week, and 2 18's on the weekend to "moonlight" when they are single. That still gives them 2 days off a week, and collect 2 full paychecks... Roughly 2400 to 3600 a week! These 18 hour shifts generally don't come with benefits because they are normally filled with part-time people, or moonlighters, or per diem people who just want a little extra money. They generally pay from 20 to 40 an hour, too. This flexibility is what keeps the hospitals and other places staffed at reasonable (and often legally mandated levels) when there simply are not enough RN's to fill all the mandated shifts.
And the hospital does not "owe" single mothers anything for being single mothers. The fact that many of them make amazing accomodations for all sorts of situations is reason enough not to strike.
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I do not get 105 hrs a week,its every two weeks... . I am no longer Union,however everything I am now making was fought for and won by Unions... ... Try to support a family on 12. 50 an hour... . Any employer (around here at least)can and has told employees that there is no OT paid at there position and make them take comp time or tell them "If they don't like it theres the road". In my mind this is at the root of the downfall of America. If it takes both parents working two jobs apeice to support a family on paltry wages,what are the kids doing?They are raising themselves!
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I merely took your words... you said: 15 hours a day, 7 days a week. I see it was really more like 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. But, whatever.
It is both federal and state law that overtime occurs for hourly paid people over 40 hours a week. Some situations allow "averaging" over a month. No employer can do that. If people choose to accept failing to get thier overtime, they choose to do so. All it requires is filing a claim with your state authorities and you WILL be paid, along with penalties, as well.
There's a reason it takes 2 incomes to raise a family. In 1950, the average person paid less than 4% of his income to the federal government... income AND SS taxes combined. And state and local rarely brought the total to even 10% of your income - including property, sales, and income taxes.
Presently, the cost of taxes and government mandates that's built into the cost of everything we do, from our houses to our cars, to food to education and everything in between is roughly 50% of your gross earnings. I'm not just talking about federal income taxes. I'm talking about income, SS (16%), property, and other state and local taxes, plus the cost added to our cars, gas, food, energy, phone, home, health care, and pretty much everything else you must do or have to live.
For instance, here in Oregon, it is impossible to provide daycare for less than roughly $4 an hour per child. This is becuase our state "gave" us "quality" child care. Daycare workers now must have either a college degree, or go to college level classes for 6 months and hold a state "certification". And, you must maintain a ratio of children to certified providers mandatd by the state. At present wage scales for people with the degree or "educators certificate", the wages for them alone average more than $3 an hour. Then you need a facility, food, and other overhead costs. None of this has altered statistics on daycare problems in the state, but it has roughly doubled the cost of daycare. Again, another example of how runaway government costs you an arm and a leg while pretending to "protect" people.
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As far as "cutting your own throat",you are giving a employer a reason to continue to rip off its employees. When someone is on strike,it is not because they are happy campers. And contrary to what some believe it is not always about wages,or greed.
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My wife would be immensely grateful to be "ripped off" at the wages and benefits the strikers are turning down. So would every other RN in the valley and for that matter, most of the state. But hey, when you think you're God and the world owes you riches, you'll strike for anything, no?
So, what do YOUR family members make an hour as RN's?
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"From the misery of those around me"Maybe you can explain that comment to me. It is plain to see you have never worked in the trenches. I work with highly flammable materials everyday at work. If one valve is not operated in the proper sequence BOOM,we just lost half a city. Not to mention someone would not have fuel for there cars,trucks,and homes. I guess I don't deserve a decent wage?
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I what? Over the course of my lifetime, I've been a janitor for minimum wage. Worked in a machine shop building magnesium parts for same. Worked in a laundry in a nursing home... for same. Delivered Pizza for same. I worked as a logger as a teenager with my dad in Montana. Skidded logs with a cat, fell trees, ran the peeler machine, and loaded the truck... For $. 04 a fencepost.
I was a pump shop mechanic for nearly 14 years. I started for a little over min wage and my last hourly paycheck was at $12 an hour a few years ago. Then I switched to pay by piecework. It was my request as well.
I started my own business as an ISP in a small town and went broke.
Yeah, been there, done it, got the T-shirt. Been unemployed, employed, well off, not well off.
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I guess these nurses and every nurse out there that have human lives in there hands everyday don't deserve a decent wage?
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If an RN is working for bad pay, it's easy enough to get a very good paying job. In fact, they go begging every day. In case you didn't know it, wages for RN's have nearly doubled in 5 years, and the trend is upward faster than it has been, due to some areas being unable to staff thier places at ANY wage.
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I suppose that if someone steals the food from your childrens mouths and the cloths from your back,you have no right to be angry?That is what a SCAB is doing..... He is stealing... ... I have a right to bust a thief. It is not JUST a disagreement.
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Pure hogwash. If you don't want to work, and you sit idly by, depriving yourself of your income, then that's your own stupid fault. If someone else is willing to work, then by all means, they get the job. That's all there is to it. Nobody's "stealing" anything.
You are free to leave your position and try to find something better. That's called freedom. Excercise it, or can it. But in no way do you have any right to deprive someone else of what you don't want.
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As you have said before you have made a choice of what side of the street you want to stand and if you are being abused as Managment,you made that choice. I don't understand your logic,in one hand they are being abused,but are afraid to stand up for themselves?Yes Boss,I is here for you Boss... .
With all the ranting about the mean greenies taking farmland from the Kalamath farmers(which was stolen from the indians). I thought you had a farm?
I live in a farmland community... and the greens are targeting my area... probably next. My well-being depends upon the farmers having property rights, water, and other legal expectations.
And please ,don't give me that total BS about the Klamath Basin being stolen from the Indians. That's a political dogma... and not worth the bytes stolen to write it.
