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2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Control arm bolt removal??!!

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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Seems I have a Leak.

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Is there ANY way, short of a sawzall, to remove that @#$%^& lower control arm bolt with the eccentric (axle end)??!!

I have spent half the day with hydraulic jack, brass hammer, breaker bar, and everything else I can think of to get that eccentric bolt out of the hole with absolutely not one tiny bit of lateral movement!

The frame end bolt slid right out. Piece of cake. The lower eccentric bolt is rubber-cushioned-and (apparently) corroded into place inside the control arm bushing. I have sprayed and sprayed. I can turn it all the way around with patient use of a hydraulic jack under my wrench, but I CANNOT get that bolt to move the tiniest bit out of the hole... My brass mallet is durn-near destroyed, as is my patience.

It is the driver's side and there is no way to get my air impact on it to really spin and break it free due to the proximity of the axle pumpkin.

I KNOW others here have succeeded at this... How? :confused:
 
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I ran into this once on a customer truck. It was in the exact location you are talking about. I used a torch to carefully burn it out from the ends just enough to let the arm fall out. I replaced the bolt and installed one of my old arms on the guy's truck.
 
put the nut on it and beat it with a real hammer. Don't worry if you screw up the threads because your only other option is to use the torch anyway
 
Diplomacy is just not my thing...

Negotiations failed. Hostilities escalated. The use of deadly force was authorized.



There were heavy losses on both sides and, regretably, there was some collateral damage involving non-combatants...



Among the casualties:



four three inch cutoff wheels

five sawzall blades

one special 9/16 eccentric bolt

one destroyed lower control arm

one very bent and somewhat mangled control arm axle bracket



And it only took ALL day!



... One down; three to go. Including the one on the other side with the same eccentric bolt setup. I am SO happy right now to be the proud owner of such a well-engineered and assembled POS that uses only the finest components... :rolleyes:
 
Try hitting it like a man sissy boy!!!!!!!!!!





Save yourself the trouble and use the flame wrench on the others. once you have the control arm out it will be easier to beat the remainder of the bolt out when you are swinging down instead of sideways on your back
 
Sure, Kenny. Rub it in. :p Only when I really needed it did I discover, on a Sunday, that my oxygen tank is empty... :rolleyes:

You have no idea how badly I wanted to use that torch today...

Tell ya what though, that sissy little axle bracket is mighty flimsy and would not cotton to much exposure to the heat necessary to cut the head and cam off that bolt. Man, that bracket bent easily!

Now I know why the least little slop in the trackbar shows up so badly. There is NO lateral strength in those brackets at all. They are so thin, just stamped sheet metal, I can't believe they even hold up under ideal conditions.

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Mark,

"I used a torch to carefully burn it out from the ends just enough to let the arm fall out. "

If I had a functioning torch, I would have tried that. I have used this method to remove leafspring bushings before. But I don't think it would have helped in this case.

The problem was the thick inner steel sleeve was hopelessly corroded to the bolt. It was so bad, that after using a hydraulic jack to try to turn the bolt (while also hammering on it), all I accomplished was to break the bond between the sleeve and the factory rubber bushing. So now the bolt and the bushing were still "welded" together and freespinning inside the bushing, inside the control arm... What a delimma!

All my pounding was a joke since the rubber and the opposite side of the axle bracket just cushioned each blow. Even after forgetting all fantasies of saving the bolt and getting out the 8 pound sledge hammer and a long piece of barstock to get a "manly swing" at it, all I did was bend the axle bracket on the inside. Badly.

Fortunately, I have no intention of reusing the control arms. I just want to install my tubular, adjustable ones. The upper bolt came out easily and I'm hoping both bolts on both upper control arms do the same. I will not even fool around with the other eccentric bolt and plan to just torch the center of the control arm all the way through.

This brings up something else: Please bear with me as I try my best to describe my observations:

The stock bushings are typical bonded rubber-to-sleeve/rubber-to-outer shell bushed. The new control arms have poly bushings.

The stockers rely entirely on the torsional twist of the rubber for control arm movement; there is no "pivot" point since the inner sleeve is crushed by the bolt against the walls of the axle bracket and is bonded to the rubber and the outer metal sleeve is also bonded to the rubber and is a very tight press fit into the arm.

There are three possible "pivot points" in the new poly bushing setup since poly will not allow much, if any, torsional twist like rubber does:
1> The outer bushing surface to control arm
a> this is unlikely since the ends of the new arms are mild steel round tubing with a weld seam on the inside that acts like a keyway and effectively prohibits free spinning of the poly bushing in them.

2> The inner sleeve to bolt
a> also unlikely since the axle bracket crushes down firmly against the sleeve prohibiting free movement. Which would be a bad thing anyway since the sleeve end would quickly wear through the thin wall of the bracket.

3> The outer surface of the inner sleeve to the inner surface of the poly bushing.
a> This is where the pivot movement must happen. The inner sleeve is held stationary by the crush effect of the bolt. The poly bushing is held stationary by the weld seam inside the control arm end. Therefore, the poly bushing and sleeve can only pivot against each other.
b> clamping the ends of new control arms in a vice to simulate the clamping force of the bolt when installed bears out this point as being the only way the arms can pivot at all.

Therefore, before I install these new control arms, I intend to drill them for grease zerks that will (hopefully) allow grease to penetrate between the poly bushings and the inner sleeve. There is a slight gap in the center where the two poly bushing halves meet that I hope to exploit. I also plan to drill a small hole in the inner sleeve in hopes a little grease finds it's way between the sleeve and bolt to prevent future disassembly nightmares like this.

Am I missing anything here and do you, or anyone else, have any suggestions or comments about what I have described and plan to do?

thanks!
scott
 
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I do a bunch of lifts on Jeeps every year; they all have this same setup and the same problem. Instead of fighting it I cut them witha sawzall. The trick is to go to Lowes and buy a set of blades called "the torch" I was wailing away with a dewalt branded blade and getting pretty much nowhere when a guy who is a pipe fitter says "try one of these, there what we use when we cant get a torch into a tight place. " Ill be damned if he wasnt right. I can get through the bolt and the stupid bushing in about 2 minutes and a blade will usually survive all four cuts for the front end. They are a little more expensive than normal blades but compared to the time they save, theyre priceless.
 
I slather anti-seize on bolts like this that are prone to rusting to the inner sleeve (springs, control arms, etc. ). Your grease fitting idea should work fine. One set of bushings I used in the arms I built came with grease fittings. The Johnny Joints I used also have grease fittings but in the bolts rather than the outer shell like the straight bushings.



I was lucky when I burned the bolt out that I didn't do any collateral damage to the axle bracket but it was tricky.
 
Does anyone know if those special eccentric bolts are a dealer-only item or of a good place to get them?

I would sure like to find a good online source for factory Dodge parts. The local dealers are not very helpful, knowledgeable, or reasonably priced and I try to avoid dealing with them if possible.
 
I would sure like to find a good online source for factory Dodge parts. The local dealers are not very helpful, knowledgeable, or reasonably priced and I try to avoid dealing with them if possible.





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Call them and ask for internet parts. They are a Dodge dealer in NM and if you don't specify internet (in fact I ask them if it is the internet price after I get a quote) they will give you the same counter price as your local dealer. I have bought a steering box, A/C compressor, radiator and many other parts from them. Shipping cost is always less than TX sales tax to boot:)
 
Wow I understand what you where going through. I spent over 8 hours + at a shop for the guy to do my alignment. Glad that you finally got it off.
 
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