Control your dog

[BIGNASTY]

Might want to control your dog if you come to MT. (at least around here) Went to town today. Came out of a store and a horse and rider were on the street nothing new about that. Some Campers from the near by campgrounds open their car door and their dog went after the horse. The rider pulled his gun shot the dog. Then he said control your dog. (nobody noticed this) The campers called the Omar Sheriff. He came out and told the campers that a dog should be under control at all times. The camper said he had a gun on his side. This is were it got funny the Sheriff said so look around most of the local's do. ( I didnt really notice it that much but most DO HAVE THEM :-laf) The camper got all P O and said it not legale. Omar looked at his car plate and said it might not be in your state but here it's pretty much the norm. Camper started to leave Omar said sir you can take you dog with you or youll have to pay to have it removed. :-laf The guy that shot the dog came into the cafe that we were having lunch , the sheriff was there along with allot of local's. We started talking about the happening. I started laughing and was asked what was so funny. My question was when you shot the dog I heard POW and then you said to control your dog. Isnt it supposed to be control your dog then POW. The Sheriff said where the hell do you think your at California or something. :-laf:-laf GOD I LOVE MONTANA Open carry perfectly legal

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Kristi Allen-Gailushas | Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:00 am | (45) Comments

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This letter is in response to Pat Helvey and his opinion titled "Check your guns at tea party door. " The gentleman who was carrying his firearm in the open at the rally was doing so legally. You can open carry in Montana. I could be standing next to you in a grocery store with my sidearm in the open. Would that make you afraid of me? Our Montana legislators can conceal and carry in the state Capitol. Has there ever been a shooting at the Capitol? Have you ever heard of a shooting at a shooting range? American citizens who conceal and carry and carry their weapons in the open are the most law-abiding citizens you could ever meet. The gentleman who was carrying his sidearm out in the open was doing so because it is his right as guaranteed by the U. S. Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Montana Constitution.



For you to fear an American citizen using his right to keep and bear arms is sad. You should be more afraid of your current government than the people who attend the Tea Party rallies. We do not get out of line, do not destroy property and leave the area cleaner than when we arrived. The rallies are our right to protest the government for redress of grievances. I praise the gentleman who was wearing his sidearm out in public making a speech on the Second Amendment and our right to keep and bear arms. This is our only line of defense against an ever increasing and overreaching government.





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[DRyder]

Sounds like my kind of place!

 

[SRath]

Sounds to me like the horse rider over-reacted like a hysterical sissy. If it had been my dog, I would have shot his horse just to make the point. I carry, too.

 

[FOXY005]

Sounds to me like the horse rider over-reacted like a hysterical sissy. If it had been my dog, I would have shot his horse just to make the point. I carry, too.

Duh !!

I hope you were making a joke here, if you shot the horse and he was riding it he would be justified in thinking you were shooting at him, he coluld return fire double taping your sternum and be cleared of any wrong doing under the guidelines for justifiyable homicide. Then the dog the horse and you would be casualaties. You better rethink that one.

 

[DRyder]

I dunno, I had a "gent" let a pack of 5 dogs loose out of his Subaru outback, none on a leash, and they all ganged up on my family and dog. Only thing that made him reconsider his laughter is when I pulled my . 44. There is always a bigger picture, to each their own. No dog or horse is worth getting hurt over IMO.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Sounds to me like the horse rider over-reacted like a hysterical sissy. If it had been my dog, I would have shot his horse just to make the point. I carry, too.

Get flipped off a horse and you mite think twice about that. I do feel bad about the Dog. The problem is like most people they didnt care about what could have happened to the rider. They just thought they were on vacation and that someone owed them. Well it dont work like that. We were thinking about giving access to a trail at the end of our drive. But people just throw trash and leave all kind of nasty stuff for us to pick up. So now they can park at the trail head and walk another 6 miles to get to the same spot. We would like to help some out but at my expense NO WAY. All that had to be done to prevent any of this from happening is to THINK most dont know how to do that. I have never met you but by reading your post's and how you feel about your dog's I dont think you would have been so stupid as these people were. You can come up and ill put you on Jacob he likes to pack but KNOW ONE has EVER stayed on him and then we will talk about hysterical sissy it hurts when you get pitched off I dont bounce well anymore :-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

Upon moving from Calif I thought that how different could it be. Allot of people have said the same thing about Montana. My back yard backs up to 1. 5 million acres of prime burial land for STUPIDITY and they didnt laugh after saying that

 

[GHarman]

Pets vs livelyhood

SRath, Dogs and horses/mules dont mix well when supprised. My Mule hated dogs and tried, more than once to kill my own dog. Horses/mules are a huge investment in time and money, as well as attachment. You would not treat the critter with any less respect than you do your dogs. The other issue is that the rider was probably sitting on his lively hood. An indication of that is the fact that he could actually shoot from the saddle without initiating a rodeo in the street. He was protecting his investment! A torn pastern or deep flexor tendon tear from and/or infection from dog bites can totally destroy a horse or Mule. The feller that left his dog out of his vehicle, unleashed, was ignorant or totally disrespectful. GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

Gittin pitched off really will hurt. In the pic. you can see what it did to me cant see it very well but on the left of the pic a scar about 4inches and another just like it on the back of the hand. Just because I stoped to take care of some business on the trail. The stupid HORSE had to be in front all the time. It saw the others down the trail 3 or 4 switchbacks down. So this stupid a** decided it was SNOWY RIVER TIME off the cliff we went. I had the brakes on so hard my feet and the stirrups were at the horse's ears and I was leaning back so far I could have easily made a visual check for hemmroids. I was pulling so hard on the reins that one broke turned the horses head and over the handle bar's I went. When I woke up the wife was screaming kids crying BIL and both nephew's were laughing saying wow uncle Gail your hand is really F ed up. The back of my hand was on the top of my forarm. I told them to pull my hand to set my wrist back no im not touching that. Sure you couldn't do it will I was knocked out. Now you want to see me pass out from pain agian, with all that can happen coming off one of these you think im worried about shooting a dog. I dont think so

 

[guldam]

What if it had been a child that jumped out of the car and startled the horse? Should he have shot the kid? Or what if a car had backfired? Shoot the car?



Put yourself in the position of the family. How would you like it if someone shot your dog?



If the guy who owned the horse came upon a piece of plastic bag blowing in the wind, and the horse bolted, would it be ok to shoot the horse, and then tell him to keep his horse under control?



This story sounds like Wild West Wanabe bs.



GulDam

 

[dresslered]

Though I love animals, I hate owners of animals that assume no responisbility. My neighbor lets her dog run wild, always ends up on my property chasing my pets and kids... and I can't do much about it living in Kalifornia. Tomorrow, I am having an arrest warrent served only after a year of complaints (which is nothing more than a $150 fine). The worst part about it, is I could easily wing this dog from my upper balcony with my . 30-06, but because of my job, I hve to be totally clear of anything... includng speeding tickets! Perhaps I should just be President and not have to show 5hit.

 

[Superdawg]

When we were hiking up in Mammoth to some of the upper lakes, we ran into some of the folks on horse tours. A little courtesy goes a long way. I took the wife, kids and Australian Shepard (who doesn't freak out over horses anyway) off the trail and sit them all down until the horses/people pass. It's not too much to ask. Besides, horses weigh much more than me and I heal slower now.

 

[DRyder]

I think we are digressing here, nobody (with a sound mind) would shoot a kid running out of a car toward a horse. I would agree that firing any round out of a controlled range subjects everyone in the general area to harm. Again, without being there you and I don't know the big picture.

 

[The patriot]

What if it had been a child that jumped out of the car and startled the horse? Should he have shot the kid? Or what if a car had backfired? Shoot the car?



Put yourself in the position of the family. How would you like it if someone shot your dog?



If the guy who owned the horse came upon a piece of plastic bag blowing in the wind, and the horse bolted, would it be ok to shoot the horse, and then tell him to keep his horse under control?



This story sounds like Wild West Wanabe bs.



GulDam

Cant control cars.

Children should be under control. I dont think they should be shot, but there are repercussions for (mis) actions.

I wouldnt like my dog shot, but OTOH I have been around farmers and they treat their cattle etc like prized property. It's their livelyhood and I would want someone coming in "messing up my couch" if ya know what I mean.

The rest of your post is just asinine semantics.

I grew up in NJ and I'm not a "country hick"

People need to be responsible for their actions. Grow a pair.



Of course, this is all JM. 02

 

[SRath]

Take note that the story, one sided as can be, did not say the dog attacked or bit the horse. You can bet the story would have made a big deal of that had that been the case.



To have a dog bolt from a vehicle suddenly when the door was opened and go gleefully yapping at a horse is no reason to kill the dog.



I would have shot the guy's horse without hesitation and still had my gun pointed at him, so I doubt even Mr. Quick-to-panic would "outdraw" me "western style". Dogs are far more valuable than horses, which are destined to be dog food anyway.



I'm just tellin' you what I would have done had it been my dog and the if the guy had given zero opportunity for me to call the dog back.



The greatest dog I ever had took gleeful joy in barking at cows and horses; but never chased or hurt a one.



One day, while sitting at a stoplight in Iowa City with my loyal canine companion in the back of "his truck", which he let me drive, an Amish farmer in a buggy pulled up in the lane next to us. Ol' Blazer let out one huge "woof" eyeball to eyeball with that poor horse, which simply jerked his head up and snorted at Blazer who was content to have said his 'hello'. Clearly, the Amish are better at training horses than that pretend cowboy in the story was.



This all started when Blazer was a 3 pound little furball. Our backyard bordered a pasture with dozens of cows, calves, and one humongous bull. Every evening the cattle would all come up by the fence. The fat little pup's little "yip, yip, yip" as he raced up and down the fence had the delightful effect of making the young calves go running stiff-legged to their mamas, who would, even better yet, make short little 'charges' towards the pup that was smaller than their cow pies. This was all great fun for a couple month-old Golden Retriever pup who thought he was so terribly tough and ferocious!



But it was The Bull that absolutely had me roaring with laughter every time. That 2-ton piece of prime rib would actually plop his massive bulk right against the fence with fat and hide sticking right through the slats. So after getting his self esteem built right up with the wide-eyed calves and the "you can't catch me" cows, that little bugger would get right up to the bull, just inches away from Mr. Cud-Chewing Highness himself and "yip, yip, yip" himself hoarse. And never get so much as the tiniest acknowledgement of his existence from that old bull. The flies he tail-swished got far more attention. This would absolutely drive that little pup mad and leave me cracking up. Maybe it was the 1000 times size difference. Maybe it was seeing the high energy pup just wear himself to a frazzle with zero effect, but it was definitely funny every time.



Years later, an horseman I knew who was getting too old to break horses, but knew more than most 'cowboys' ever learn, needed help with a big, young quarterhorse he bought as his "last horse" in his life. I'm much better on a dirtbike and figured a horse couldn't throw me any harder than casing a60 foot double, so what the heck, "sure, I'll try". So he would tell me what he wanted me to do with the young horse each day and I would follow his instructions and have a little fun playing "bucking bronco". It really didn't take long for the horse to get used to me and, though he liked to start out with a few playful rears and kicks, he didn't seem real serious about losing me.



Until we had progressed to where I was riding him a few miles each day. There was an ancient old windmill way out in the pasture/woods/field we rode in and it still spun in the wind occassionally and would creak and sometimes squeal something awful. The first time we rode near it and it let out a rusty metal shriek, the horse went bonkers. I held on, but it was quite a ride and with just a bozel instead of a regular bit and reins, he made a beeline back to the barn whether I wanted to or not.



That pup, now a legendary full grown dog, always followed faithfully wherever we went. He had a very calming effect on that young horse and I quickly noticed that. So, from then on, I would simply point the dog where i wanted the horse to go and he would take the lead. As long as the dog was leading the way, the horse would follow docilely anywhere he went -- including right up to that creaky old windmill.



I have to give the old man and the dog all of the credit for that horse being so easy to break & train. All I ever did was sit there on him and put him through the training paces. It was the dog, the same one that still loved to "woof" a hearty hello to any horse he met, and maybe even go trotting up to them to see if they were into nose-touching or not, that I picture in my mind that lamebrain horserider in the story pulling out his gun and shooting.



That dog was very playful and smart. One of his favorite games was doing a fly-by hat-grab and playing keep away with the owner. All you ever had to do was point at someone with a hat, or anything else, and tell him "get that!". And all the better if the victim was someone who had drank a few too many! Nothing like watching a drunk try to catch a very quick dog. Naturally, cowboy hats were high-priority targets.



So I get to a big party festival down at the river one evening and it's at full throttle with plenty of beer flowing freely from the kegs. I don't know everyone, but there are plenty of good friends there. There was an urban cowboy type with a cowboy hat (the hat was the giveaway to how serious he took himself) that I didn't know, but my buddy did. He knew of Blazer's leaping hat-snatching game from personal experience and promptly pointed to his unsuspecting wannabe-cowboy friend and said "hat".



The dude was tall, but that dog could really jump and snatched the hat right off his head in the blink of an eye at full speed. This, of course had everybody roaring with laughter as the slightly drunk Saturday Night goat-roper tried in vain to snatch the hat back as the dog dodged in and out playing keep away. After a couple of minutes of this, I hollered "give" and Blazer trotted up to the guy to surrender his spoils. The entire crowd, including me, was stunned as that SOB started putting his silver-capped pointy cowboy boots to the poor dog's ribs.



It seemed to take forever to cover the distance, and the dog could have taken care of it himself if I had ordered him to "sic balls" (my attack command), but I wanted the personal satisfaction of beating that coward myself. Someone quickly pulled me off him. Then, with everyone gathered around and berating the guy for having no sense or sense of humor, Blazer went and picked his hat up from where he dropped it and brought it right to him while he was still sitting on the ground nursing the nosebleed I gave him along with a cut lip. He then started to lick guy's own wounded knuckles. Within a minute, the guy was actually near tears as he petted Blazer and it wasn't from the pain I'd done my best to give him. He knew he'd way over-reacted and had viciously put his boots to one of the best dogs that ever drew a breath and had only done what he'd been told to do; all in fun.



Just like that moron in the story above may well have done.



Yup. If that had been my dog, I'd definitely shoot his horse then do my best to punch his lights out, too. I'm not nearly as forgiving as my beloved old dog was.

 

[guldam]

Absolutely stunningly beautiful posting!

GulDam

 

[BIGNASTY]

What if it had been a child that jumped out of the car and startled the horse? Should he have shot the kid? Or what if a car had backfired? Shoot the car?



Put yourself in the position of the family. How would you like it if someone shot your dog?



If the guy who owned the horse came upon a piece of plastic bag blowing in the wind, and the horse bolted, would it be ok to shoot the horse, and then tell him to keep his horse under control?



This story sounds like Wild West Wanabe bs.



GulDam

Dont be so Stupid ya we have shot the kid. Im sure that would have changed the outcome some dont you. As for my dogs if they are doing something to someone that they feel like they need to shoot my dog's then by all means. My dogs have left the property MAYBE 3 times sense they were moved to MT. and they were on a leash when that was done. If 35 acres is not enough for them then tuff. They are City dogs and have no idea about the new place in MT so IT'S MY JOB TO KEEP THEM IN CONTROL, because you are so ashamed about were you live you dont even add it on the site we will never know of your experience in the shopping mall parking lot when the cart got out of control and you had to jump in front of it to save the day.

 

[BIGNASTY]

The other story sounds like a new version of OLD YELLER but a little more long winded. Yer dog cant be the best because mine are they eat sleep and poop they are just DOGS not little people like my other pets.

 

[guldam]

I call the story for what it is. BS. It didn't happen. I think you're just a tad bit gullible and naive to believe that fairy tale is at any way true.



I have significant firearms training, and my training tells me that pulling a gun while on board a horse and shooting at a dog with humans all around would have been stupid, and criminal.



Sorry, I don't understand the rest of your rambling.



GulDam

Dont be so Stupid ya we have shot the kid. Im sure that would have changed the outcome some dont you. As for my dogs if they are doing something to someone that they feel like they need to shoot my dog's then by all means. My dogs have left the property MAYBE 3 times sense they were moved to MT. and they were on a leash when that was done. If 35 acres is not enough for them then tuff. They are City dogs and have no idea about the new place in MT so IT'S MY JOB TO KEEP THEM IN CONTROL, because you are so ashamed about were you live you dont even add it on the site we will never know of your experience in the shopping mall parking lot when the cart got out of control and you had to jump in front of it to save the day.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I call the story for what it is. BS. It didn't happen. I think you're just a tad bit gullible and naive to believe that fairy tale is at any way true.



I have significant firearms training, and my training tells me that pulling a gun while on board a horse and shooting at a dog with humans all around would have been stupid, and criminal.



Sorry, I don't understand the rest of your rambling.



GulDam

Might want to get some more significant firearms training. So your a mall cop in some po dunk city in mid west WONT SAY BECAUSE the big case was the candy bar theft ring :-laf



Linneweber told the reporter, though, that to legally shoot a dog, the law does not require that the threat be imminent. For that reason, and others, he declined to prosecute the Gee case and suggested that the Saarels could pursue civil action. Another section of Montana law addresses killing dogs that harass, destroy, or injure livestock. That section states that a dog which “harasses, kills, wounds, or injures livestock not belonging to the owner of the dog is considered a public nuisance and…may be killed immediately by the owner of the livestock or an agent or employee of the owner... ”



This section of law defines livestock harassment as that which “worries, chases, or runs after livestock…in a manner that may lead to subsequent injury to the livestock. ” Continuing, the law states that “the owner of the dog, when reasonably notified after due process, shall kill the dog within 24 hours of notification. If the owner fails to do so, an officer may be notified and shall kill the dog or cause the dog to be killed. ” The law requires that “a dog may not be killed in a manner that will endanger a person. ” So ya you were rite the guy was an A** for doing it where it was done. I was wrong for bad mouthing the mid west I bet your some N Calif around the gay bay sub sinker