"@$$&^#* cops" is bothering me

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On a recent thread concerning straight piped rigs, several posters made derogatory remarks about the "cop" who issued the citations.

This bothers me!



"We", the taxpaying public,hire these officers, we, through our elected legislators enact the statutes the officers are directed to enforce-----they are out there doing EXACTLY what they are ordered by US through our elected legislators to do. (Yes, I am quite aware that there are officers who violate the trust placed in them and who themselves violate---that someone else is imperfect, is not validation of our misconduct. I have, as a Judge, initiated and participated in the disciplining and fireing of several officers who violated their obligations, and that is the answer to their misbehavior, not further failure to do the job they are hired to do.



If we disapprove of a statute, then our recourse is to attempt to have it changed; laws are changed in every legislative session because there was sufficient dissatisfaction with them.



Some of our members seem to believe that because we believe a muffler free truck is good, or that a truck going xx miles over the speed limit is good, that a traffic officer should ignor it when he sees/hears a violation of a statute, and vilify them when they do not themselves violate their obligation to enforce the traffic code.



And no it is not an answer to say that "with real crime out there they should not be bugging us about mufflers, speed, etc. Traffic officers are hired in large part specifically to enforce the traffic codes; yes, they do other things too, but a large part of their job is citing people for traffic violations.



It is no more correct to castigate an officer for doing that which he is hired to do than it would be to praise the assessor who, drives an electric hybred type mini car, and who on seeing that we

drive a monster diesel truck decides that because of the type vehicle we drive we should pay more in taxes and therefore bumps up our assessed value a few thousand dollars. He would simply be violating his obligation to apply a statutory obligation because he believed large vehicles are bad, just as some of us would have a traffic officer ignor our violation because we think the statute requiring a muffler, setting a particular speed limit etc is not desireable.

If it is not OK for the assessor to inlate your taxes, or the building inspector to "sit on" your application for a permit to build a car port for your truck because they hate big SUVs and those who drive them, it is not OK for a traffic officer to give you a pass on a traffic violation because you think its a "dumb" law. BTW, I could tell you about a hundred laws I think are outright stupid, but that does not mean I should have the right to violate them.



None of this is to say that if one believes they did not violate the statute in question that they should not fight it; its just like many of us say. If we make certain types of changes in our trucks we should be prepared to be our own warranty station; if we violate a statute, we should be prepared to face the penalty. We should not someway make it the fault of the officer who is doing just what he/she is hired to do, nor vilify them for doing their job.



Soap box put away :>)



Vaughn
 
yep, do it right !

back when I knew two wheels we're all that was necessary I built a totally street legal big English twin. yep, it drew inconveient stops by the costables BUT, it was leagl and I offered to meet them in court so they could prove it wasn't.

never did get to court.



if you circumvent the statutes of the law, as with anything else, you must be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions.



no soap box, just fact !
 
Vaughn,



As you correctly pointed out, it's a matter of taking personal responsibility for my actions, unfortunately an increasingly alien concept in our society today. :(



Rusty
 
I agree that if you want to play you need to pay. I did years ago when running hot rods on the street. 800 HP and steam rollers, I expected and infleunced problems with police. However I also feel that SOME cops see a certain type of vechile and target them.





My 2500 with 25k miles is stock except for K&N in the stock air box, white knight backup lights and a 6" drop draw bar.





I have been pulled over and issued warnings for excessive noise, leaky exhaust, over stock height, non DOT approved off road lights, over sized tires w/o mud flaps and non dot approved hitch system.





All these warnings were issued when I was pulled over for speeding. The speed tickets were during a snow storm I was doing 30 in a 50. The state law is during snow storm the travel speed is half of the posted limit. $124 lesson? A more recent example was this morning during the rain shower posted speed limit is cut by 15 MPH. another $75 lesson? I was stop for obstructing traffic by doing 20 under.





All of this happens in the same town. My friends with stock 3/4 and 1 tons have similar problems. Since we are not town residents only 'travelers' the town council simples says do not travel.





I don't think I did anything wrong in these cases, I was not looking for trouble and a stock truck should not attract this kinda of attention.





I'm I to expect trouble simply because I own a $30k truck as a personal/daily driver?
 
I can't speak to an individuals experience; I was not there.

BUT, I have been driving since I bought my first car in 1950 and during that time have owned and used heavily a number of non-conforming autos and trucks. My present truck has custom bumpers, large mud flaps, pillar gauges, extra antenna, etc. For a few years I drove a lowered bright yellow mustang with wide tires etc.

I have driven all over this nation, including Canada and Alaska. I have driven in most of our large cities including NY city and L. A. (where I lived and worked for awhile)

My wife is on me often for driving too fast and aggressively.

My experiences;

I was stopped by an officer once while in high school-about 1951

I was stopped once in 1961 (I was 10 miles over in a school zone--not paying attention to my speed)

I was stopped once about 1978, while hauling horses to a horse show by an over enthusiastic young trouper to see if I had a transportation certificate.

I was stopped once in Az. by a tribal police officer when I was half asleep doing 75 on the Navaho res.

I was stopped two years ago for 12 miles over, which I was.

Thats it in 53 years of driving all over this country, and I think I have had about as wide a driving experience as most.

When some one gets stopped real often, I wonder it its not them. ???



Vaughn
 
I agree. That's why I said "given the wording of the law, put the muffler back on".

Or something to that effect.

I was only joking about dittling the LEO's wife. :-laf

Eric:D:p
 
Guess I will also mention that my wife who has only been driving since 1953, has never been stopped by an officer. She does not drive as much as I do, but she has made a number of multi-state trips on her own visiting relatives etc when I could not go, and runs around a lot shoping etc. For the past 9 years, a trip to town involves 50+ miles through several jurisdictions, so its hardly that she has no exposure.



My son was really upset about a year ago! He is 42 and has had a car and been driving since he was 16. He got a ticket!! His first ever!

Some of the hot rod junk he used to drive, I would have stopped and ticked for being a menace to community pride, had I been an officer!!!



The idea that officers go around "picking" on some people has allways been a puzzel to me. Anytime I drive down the highway, I see more traffic violations around me than any officer could possible attend to.

Wonder if those are the ones being stopped??



Vaughn
 
Originally posted by merryman





The idea that officers go around "picking" on some people has allways been a puzzel to me. Anytime I drive down the highway, I see more traffic violations around me than any officer could possible attend to.

Wonder if those are the ones being stopped??



Vaughn





That is the what I was kinda of talking about above. My brother-in-law has a rusted out s-10, dragging to muffler, duct tape holding taillights in place, coat hanger holding the tailgate on and both side view mirrors semi held in place by electrical tape. He can be following me and I'm the one that is pulled over.





When I had hot rods I earned every ticket ever issued to me. I have had a clean driving record for 10 to 12 years. The new influx of tickets started day one with the 2500. My driving habits have remained the same for the past ten years. But yet I seem to have more problems with this truck attracting to 'wrong' attention than any other truck over the past years.





I can't say if it is my personally being singled out, I doubt it is. I suspect that when comparing 'rolling violations' to newer vehicle human nature would say the newer vehicle can afford the tickets.
 
Some police do profile. They target what ever they "personally" find offensive. Loud exhaust, street racer looking, lifted trucks, motorcycles, etc.



I know of three incidents in Denver (the metro area - 26 odd towns, counties, etc) where officers were targeting motorcyclists. In all three, when it went to court, it came out that the individual officers had issued tickets in the ratio of something like 4 to 1 (motorcycles to cars), and one of them, not one Harley in the bunch. The judges in all three incidents when it came out, threw out all the tickets. Yes some of them definitely earned the ticket, most didn't.



My point being, the only ones we hear about are the problem children officers. Usually the ones in the small towns and districts. They have personality issues that the big departments do not want to deal with, so they end up in the small ones because the good officers do not want the 50% pay that the small ones can afford. We do not hear about the good officers, and when we do, we quickly forget, so yeah, f@(#*$g police. We don't even think about the ones we drive by that don't stop us when we know we are violating a basic law (50 in a 45, signal for a turn/lane change, bald tires).
 
Police do profile. If a bank was robbed and the robber had purple hair, I hardly think it would help to stop one person with brown, blonde, red, black hair first before stopping a person with purple hair. :rolleyes:



I've gotten plenty of tickets in my life. Some of it was due to the fact I did 100K miles a year for a while there. :D



I have to honestly say with all the tickets I get, I still get angry when I get one... . however I've EARNED every dam ticket I got except one in the years I've been driving.

The one I "didnt" earn I took to court, and the judge did everything but for the officer he could short of writing him notes on what to say.

Averaging everything out overall... I earned every one.

Eric:D



PS I do feel that seatbelt laws are B. S. though. :D
 
Originally posted by mjendrejcak





I have been pulled over and issued warnings for excessive noise, leaky exhaust, over stock height, non DOT approved off road lights, over sized tires w/o mud flaps and non dot approved hitch system.



All of this happens in the same town. My friends with stock 3/4 and 1 tons have similar problems. Since we are not town residents only 'travelers' the town council simples says do not travel.




Mjendrejcak,

You mind telling me which town so I can

Avoid it like the plague! :(
 
In a small tourist trap town I lived in for about 6 months, I got 46 tickets. Low tires, dim brake lights, bright brake lights, over inflated tires, headlights out of adjustment and the list goes on and on. The judge been grand and fair person he was when I showed up to fight the tickets, would if the office was not there would put the court on recess until the officer or officers could join us. I figured out the first of many days in court that the trick to winning was to plead guilty with a reason and you would get off free. In 10 years of driving before that fine town I got on ticket for my many efforts of not getting caught and sense then I have gotten 2 out of the many I deserve. Can law enforcement be biased, yes of course, they are just people like us but with a mostly impossible job. I have the up most respect for them I know I could not do there job, there arn't enough body bags if I got hired :D
 
Back in the late 60's and early 70's I had long hair and drove a VW bus, also a Harley. You don't think I got stopped every time I hit the streets! Cut my hair and bought a truck, not much trouble since, LOL.
 
If you run a search, I'm sure you'll find my comments on this subject, in previous threads... . :D

It's not the cops. Two of my friends are state troopers, yet the most grief I've experienced lately was from other troopers. Why?

Simple. In a state run by strong Democratic interests, we've seen traffic law enforcement jump tenfold, with special allotments of taxpayer's money being directed towards such...

I, and others like me, would NOT have voted for such increased (and unnecessary) heavy-handed enforcement. Yet, our elected officials did, and we didn't know about it until AFTER the fact.

It's harder to change an existing law, than it is to block it's being passed.

So with all due respect to Vaughn , and his years of experience in serving us in the justice system, I have to agree we're wrong to blame the cops, but I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate to try to change burdensome laws, either. The perils of a government like ours, is that most of us are too busy trying to earn a living, to do our part in watching our legislator's actions.
 
We have quite a few straight piped CTDs in our little area. I don't think the police in Sealy worry too much about them. I always get a wave when approached by one of them or a Sheriff's deputy, but I AM in Texas, and I know a few of them (including the Chief). :D



With all of the fart piped ricers running around Houston, LEOs there don't even give me a glance for the exhaust, but the excessive speed, well... :rolleyes:



I have recieved five tickets since I started driving in 1981, and I will recieve more. My hands are on the steering wheel and my foot is on the pedal, so I only blame myself when ticketed. I treat every officer with respect when pulled over, and I usually get a warning.



Some guys at work were complaining about a motorcycle cop who would wait at a traffic light in Sugarland for people to run it. I simply said: "Don't run the light, and you won't have any problem". I also told them that there probably have been a lot of T-bone accidents with injuries or fatalities at that intersection, which would be why he is watching it. Might keep someone or their family from being injured or killed. In my opinion: A job well done.
 
I think most of the guys are complaining about selective enforcement. When someone in a big SUV runs a Yugo off the road, I personally see it as a greater offense than doing 42 in a 40 ph zone. Obviously, without having had the advanced training officers get, I am wrong in my judgement. I do not have too high an opinion of law enforcement officials, due mainly to my past experiences with them. Whenever I get pulled over (couple times a year, tops), I try to be polite and courteous, and keep my nerves inside as much as possible. 8 times out of ten, I get an attitude, they are doing a community service by issuing me a citation for going 62 down that 6% grade when the speed limit is clearly 60 and there is no other traffic. Yet, they can tailgate, run red lights, fail to signal, cut people off, etc, because they are in a hurry, or just like the police interceptor package in a 4 door car. I figured out when I lived in Columbia MO that the reason they dont go after the REAL traffic menaces (tailgating, cutting people off, pulling out in front of you at the last second, not paying attention or distracted, etc) is because they do it too. I imagine somewhere, scattered across the country, there are a few good cops that do an honest day's work; I met two of them in KS a few weeks ago when my pickup (Ford) broke down. Surprised as heck when neither county nor state rods gave me a ticket for being broken down at the end of an interstate off ramp. I could write for days about the negative experiences I or friends have had with cops, but I wont. How about some good experiences from officers? Might change some opinions about law enforcement. Personally, it would take a lot to make them more than revenue collectors who get high off their atuhority in my eye.



Daniel
 
I personally have more of a problem with LEO's who seem to need a push from a victim in order to do their jobs.

Case in point is a punk kid who thought he could ride a 4 wheeler across my field into a standing crop of corn . I had him cold ,could follow tracks back to his house and ID the wheels , but LEO said I needed to see his face after I told him kid was wearing helmet. I just smiled and told him that if this county needed that standard of proof that I was sure that I could get out my own helmet and handle the situation myself and save him the hassle. He was then motivated to interview witnesses and get a confession from the kid. Bad news is that later the kid crashed and is in a coma. -- Guess Dad didn't take the keys away.

Off soapbox now , apologize for changing subject.
 
Saw this thread and thought I'd pipe in and give a Cops perspective.



I work in North St. Louis Co. , I handle anywhere from 12 to 23 calls for service a day but if I get an hour where it slows down I'll do some traffic enforcement. I will not justify some of the traffic violations that the public witnesses at times by us (usually some dumb new kid who's full of himself or talking on the phone while driving), but there are times it is necessary to tailgate someone so they'll move out of our way (transportation of prisoners) or run a red light (setting up a perimiter for a runner or bank robbery in progress). And the belief that we "don't go after real traffic menaces," because we do it too is unfounded. Just drive I-270 someday tailgating someone and I'll prove to you how wrong a statement that is.



I don't know how many times I've been running lights and siren and some motorist who is driving in the fast lane talking on their cell phone or any other number of silly things motorist do that under normal conditions would attract our attention, totally oblivious to his/her surrounding, will refuse to yield that lane to the emergency vehicle.



There are also times I know that motorist will see a traffic violation that will occur in front of an officer and the officer will continue on his way seemingly ignoring the violation. In all probability the officer is responding to a call for service and I don't think anyone, anywhere in this country would want to find out that the Officer dispatched to whatever crisis; no matter how big or small, stopped a traffic violator prior to coming to their call for assistance.



I do appreciate those who have posted here and supported us and realize that in all jobs there are some bad apples. For those who think that they are getting picked on for whatever reason just remember, one day you'll really need one of us and it might just possibly be the Officer who you gave a hard time to because you thought you knew the law better or wanted to argue the summons (save it for court). Fortunately the majority of us are Professional enough to do our utmost to assist you and disregard any past unpleasant occurance you may of had with us.



To everyone that reads this stay and drive safely.
 
Thank you srenfro for doing your job. I know myself and quite a few others who don't have the patience or the restraint to be in Law Enforcement. My brother-in-law just retired from Law Enforcement in Oklahoma. I thank God that he made it without getting shot or killed.
 
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