Correct Oil Filter- READ - IMPORTANT!!!

[Big_Bad_Dually]

Baldwin/Hastings

Some of the big air filters we run on irrigation motors (305 & 350 cid chevys) have a baldwin and a hastings number on them, so does that mean baldwin might make hasting or hastings make baldwin?

 

[Sled Puller]

Baldwin makes Hastings.

 

[hdm48]

MGM. the military used synthics in their engines yes, and they still do. however, unless an engine has been converted to use synthics [which most haven't] the oil will leak past seals and out of hoses. then you run out of oil, bummer.

In short, the oil is TOO good. most of your expensive cars[corvett,ect] use synthics and are designed to use it. Don't take me wrong here, it's great oil. I use it in Rotax motors and most 4 strokes. but to use it I have to make some changes.

The subject matter here was oil filters, I guess I should have made myself clearer. Sorry.



p. s. one other good oil is a blend. the best of both worlds

 

[Sled Puller]

Much Clearer!

Point well taken, Thanks!

Gene

 

[gchas]

I read with interest the article on oil filters in the recent TDR. I've been using Wix filters, so was pleased to see they had reasonably good reviews. Realizing that there is a hierarchy of filter quality, I did a little more research and discovered what may be a little known Federal Law that goes by the name "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Improvement Act. " Under provisions of this law, and general principles of the FTC, a manufacturer cannot condition its warranty on the use of a specific brand of oil (SAE number specs are ok) or oil filter unless it is willing to provide the item(s) specified without charge. A manufacturer can obtain a waiver if it proves to the FTC that its equipment will function properly only if specific brands are used. The FTC must be convinced that the waiver request, if granted, is in the public interest and the waiver must be published in the Federal Register. Unless this law has been repealed or unless DC has obtained such a waiver, the warranty cannot be conditioned on the use of the filters listed in the original post.

 

[Dkevdog]

Originally posted by gchas

Unless this law has been repealed or unless DC has obtained such a waiver, the warranty cannot be conditioned on the use of the filters listed in the original post.

Once again, they can and they will- if they can prove that the engine failure was due to the use of a filter that came apart. Once again, your engine, your risk, if you want to tie up $$$$$ and take DC to court, good luck,you just might win but see ya when the 2005's roll off the line, cause that's how long it'll take.



Kev

 

[illflem]

Not that I use nor support Fram filters I couldn't help but notice while watching a TV program on the fastest dragsters in the US that most all had Fram oil filters. What gives?

 

[hdm48]

the reason you see fram filters on those motors is 'sponsor'!! I am an old drag racer from the 60's and 70's and all I can say is, when you have a motor whose life is measured in seconds an oil filter is like a screen door on a sub. If you loose oil pressure on a top fuel motor-- so what!! Go to a drag race and go into the pits and look at all the melted parts and fused parts and you will see what I mean. I can't speek for nascar but in formula 1 there is no filter as we know it. They use a screen afair that is light years ahead of what we can get.

 

[gchas]

Dkevdog, Your point is well taken; however, as in Dieseldog's previous post, if DC can prove that the engine failure was attributable to a faulty oil filter, the filter company could and should have to shoulder the liability.

 

[Dkevdog]

Having an inside view to the legal world (both my sister and brother-in-law being attourneys, one of them partners in a prestigious firm) I will tell you that you might win a court case even against the filter manufacturer. But either way you are taking on DC or Purolator or Fram... ... ... ... . they have a fleet of legal counsel at their disposal at no additional cost to them. And they're good. And they will run it into the ground, until you have no money left to fight.



I have received e-mails and comments from people telling me that this is a myth and the magnusson moss act etc, etc, etc. I didn't post this to start arguments nor did I wish to challenge the existing laws we all know and love. There is a difference between possibility and reality. The intended purpose of this post was to make people aware of where DC stands on this issue. And when it boils down to it, I am not willing to take that kind of chance and risk it over a law even if I know I could probably win. Use as you wish.



Kev

 

[Racer Brown]

Fleetguard filters Question

I just went to Geno's Garage site to check on the price of a Fleetguard filter for my truck and they list the LF3894 filter as 24 valve only? Does that mean I can't use this filter in my 93 12 valve motor? I just bought a case of these because they were listed in this forum for the Cummins motor and the year model wasn't specified. I'd hate to have to send them back! Racer

 

[merryman]

Dkevdog has it right.

If your engine fails and DC believes it was due to a failed or inadequate filter, they do not go after the filter manufacturer, they simple deny warranty coverage. It will be up to YOU to sue the filter manufacturer, or if you don't know who's at fault you could sue both DC and the filter; three years down the line and enough dollars out of pocket to pay the damage yourself, you may have won, but it might not feel like it.

For an individual to take on any major corporation is a daunting project. You really need to be right. If you are right, you may be able to settle favorably, but that isn't by anymeans a sure thing.

Much less likely to be a problem to use a filter that is not going to get you into that situation.



Second point; That a filter was a really good one 10 years ago, does not mean there has not been a corporate change of direction. New management may need to show better profits and to do so may cheapen what was a very good product down to one that is not very good at all.



Vaughn