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If more people would realize this, power outages would be reduced drastically. Lack of tree trimming is the cause of around 90-95 percent of outages. Oh, your trees blew over and torn down the power lines and it's the utilities fault?! Riiight!!!
 
We had BC, Canada crews come down to Washington 15 or so years ago and they could not believe that our power companies allow trees to be so close to the power right away. Dumb land owners or dumber power companies??? SnoKing
 
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It's cheap power companies in the USA who would rather own a Country Club (SRP in AZ for example) than pay to level the trees anywhere near powerlines. The power line roads are also impassable due to overgrowth even in this dry dessert. This doesn't cover power poles being blown over, but, that's only extreme storms.
 
If more people would realize this, power outages would be reduced drastically. Lack of tree trimming is the cause of around 90-95 percent of outages. Oh, your trees blew over and torn down the power lines and it's the utilities fault?! Riiight!!!

That is not the case here. Our local company (The Illuminating company - First Energy) has a vegetation management program , required by the state, that maintains all transmission and distribution lines. This includes all road side power lines. Any transmission line that goes through a property the power company has an easement that grants them access for tree pruning and maintenance/repair work. Anything that is cut on private property is left behind and up to the owner to clean up and dispose of.
 
If your local company actually keeps up with the trimming, that's fantastic! Every power line is built on an easement and the accesses are there, but these companies have become so chickens**t that they won't let us use a lot of the access routes. They are too afraid to upset the landowner. We see this every day.
 
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It's cheap power companies in the USA who would rather own a Country Club (SRP in AZ for example) than pay to level the trees anywhere near powerlines. The power line roads are also impassable due to overgrowth even in this dry dessert. This doesn't cover power poles being blown over, but, that's only extreme storms.



Almost every power company cheaps out when it comes to line clearing. I worked as a contractor for SRP for 4 years and they actually have one of the better programs. Some of the worst I've seen are So Cal Edison and PSE&G in Jersey. They just bow down to the tree huggers and let everything overgrow.
 
I still think the insurance companies are going to drive what happens or does not happen in Texas and Florida in the future in the long haul.

SnoKing
 
Couple of points...
Your local Power company is liable for any fires caused by trees into the power lines. They have the easements so they have the rights to keep them clear. Most, if not all, use subcontractors because tree trimming isn't their core business.

There was an article that was written after Texas and before Florida about FEMA Flood insurance. When the insurance fund was created there were safeguards in place to prevent the rebuild after rebuild of disaster prone areas. Of course that wasn't politically popular so it was removed. The article goes on to say 1% of the insured use most of the money available. They cited 2 specific examples, one in Texas and one in Louisiana where homes worth the $100,000 range that have received over $800,000 each to rebuild in the last 10 years.

End result, it's going to take a politician to fix it and the likely hood of that happening is slim or none.

Meanwhile, keep paying those taxes!

Link to article http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/dear-texas-we-need-to-stop-rebuilding-your-houses/ar-AAr5Hrf
 
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One thing that chaps my rear is when I get my insurance bill and it has gone up due to some disaster in another part of the country such as a hurricane. I have been told more than once by our insurance company that my rates are going up because of the severe damage by hurricanes some place else. This will surely happen again next year after this season is over. Haven't seen a hurricane here in Denver since I can remember.

We have property in another part of the state here, it is rural. I dang near have to beg to get fire insurance. they literally come out and inspect the property every few years and if I am unwilling to abide by their recommendations they will cancel the policy. Trim this tree back, remove this tree, add more rock here etc there is a fire hydrant right at the end of our driveway granted it is a couple hundred yards away, there is a volunteer fire station at the entrance to the community again it is a couple miles away. While I am good about defensive space and wildfire mitigation on the property and make it a real priority others in the area do not. When I needed to replace the siding on the house I chose Hardie planks the cementacious stuff, it doesn't burn. When I had to re-roof the house went with a metal roof instead of shake or 3 tab. Is the house burn proof no but it is going to be a heck of lot harder to get burning than if it had cedar siding and a shake roof. There are many people here in rural areas who cant get fire insurance period even though there has not been a fire in that area in recorded history other areas have had fires 50+ years ago . Why do they not take that same type of approach in the hurricane areas, flood areas etc. You know they are going to happen and nothing you can do to stop them.

Address it in the building codes which they do to a certain degree, address it in the zoning codes, address it in the local insurance premiums, address it in the insurance requirements. If you want to live in your paradise you need to pay for it don't expect everyone else to pay for it. Who in their right dang mind would put a trailer in a well known hurricane area then cry about losing everything when it gets blown away, well just about everyone who does it.
If you need lower cost housing in the area to support lower paid employees and their families then figure out a way to handle it locally. I realize the following is not near to the same scale but ... Many of the ski resorts here have a real problem with employee housing that is affordable to their employees. So many of them live quite a distance away 50-60 miles to commute in winter time to a $15 an hour job. Vail and some other towns have done similar, built housing locally, rent it cheaply to the employees. It was paid for by ski ticket taxes, resort taxes, local sales taxes. These are not mansions or even what I would consider enough space for my family but nonetheless they have taken steps to try and help the situation themselves at the local level.

Accept responsibility for your own actions or lack of actions. If you cant afford the proper structure or insurance don't live there or live with the consequences. If the local community doesn't have workers to keep their area running as it should due to cost of living then figure it out within your locality. No one wants to pay more in taxes, no one wants more governmental interference than necessary, no one wants to see others lose everything or in severe distress, no one wants to subsidize the same thing over and over again. Learn from the mistakes and short comings and move forward with that new knowledge hopefully improving the situation continuously so that at some point in the future it is no longer an issue.
 
I still think the insurance companies are going to drive what happens or does not happen in Texas and Florida in the future in the long haul.
If it were truly up to the insurance companies it's likely that New Orleans would never been rebuilt. Of course, it's always possible that they make so much money that rebuilding in disaster-prone areas is actually in their best interest.
 
If it were truly up to the insurance companies it's likely that New Orleans would never been rebuilt. Of course, it's always possible that they make so much money that rebuilding in disaster-prone areas is actually in their best interest.

Go back and read were State Farm and Allstate have been getting out of the Florida market in recent years, and little guys have been writing policies. They will loose their shirts on this one. No insurance, no loans etc. SnoKing
 
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If it were truly up to the insurance companies it's likely that New Orleans would never been rebuilt. Of course, it's always possible that they make so much money that rebuilding in disaster-prone areas is actually in their best interest.



I'm sure they make lots of money writing $2000 premium policies and paying out $100K on a regular basis.
 
I'm sure they make lots of money writing $2000 premium policies and paying out $100K on a regular basis.

According to the agents I've spoken to, they're making plenty of money. One told me "Remember, those premiums are coming in every month- we ain't hurting."
 
You speak with agents who are intimate with the Florida market? Let's see,$2K ( far more than average premium) for fifty years = one $100K payout. Now figure an entire neighborhood destroyed. Did they make money on that neighborhood? In that city? How many people do you know who use the same co for fifty years? That's referring to a large area, not the storm damage prone only. As has been posted, several large companies either have left or are in the process of leaving( no new policies written) Florida. It's mainly small Florida only companies that are backed up by the state of Florida catastrophe fund. Great! Govt propped up ins because the companies writing policies dont have the cash to cover their liabilities. Sound good to you? Sounds like 1929 to me. It's simple actuarial study. It's the same reason my commercial liability co stopped writing coverage for snow plowing. Too many slip and fall suits that the awards committee ( jury) handed out prizes for not knowing the parking lot is slippery when it's snowing.
 
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Yes some of the big insurance companies pulled out. Why because the top guys took a pay cut (bonus). Remember that these companies insure other things beside homes.
As I understand insurance companies or FL don't insure any thing in the keys. My sister lnlaw brother has a business and home in the keys( Irma took out the house) hopefully the business is ok.
As far FL being swamp land my great uncle and aunt moved to melbourne fl the year I was born. He built a small cement block house on land they had bought. They drive to orlando once a month to get supplies. The roads they took ( which became highways to the coast) were two dirt rut roads. The house probably still there. I don t know haven' been over there since my grt uncle passed away.( His son decided to retire there also. Him and his wife took care of his mother until they put her in s home. She passed way in her early 100's.
 
Here are a few population stats on Florida. It had the forth largest population in 2003. In 1900 only 17 states had smaller populations.

Population-------1900-------2003
Florida-----------528,542---17,019,068
Georgia----------2,216,331-8,684,715
South Carolina--1,340,316-4,147,152
North Carolina--1,893,810-8,407,248
Washington------518,103---6,131,445

Added Washington because it is at the opposite end of conus. Growth in Florida kicked into high gear in the 1950's.

http://demographia.com/db-state1900.htm

SnoKing
 
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The way I remember grade school, North America was all under water at one time. Maybe the the salt water is going to re-claim it? Might want to live in the Rocky Mountain states:D

Nick
 
60 Minutes had an interesting segment on the Texas and Florida flooding last night. And questioned rebuilding in these low land area's. SnoKing
 
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