Cost to Delete 2016 Ram Cummins???

[RammerJam]

Thanks everyone for the information and advice. Sounds like she's going to stay factory.
John

Good move. If you don't have to delete, don't do it. There's no point.

But there have been a number of us that didn't have a lot of choice.

 

[C M McCormick]

Isn't the black smoke you see unburnt fuel?? Just asking.

Have a great day
Craig

 

[AH64ID]

Isn't the black smoke you see unburnt fuel?? Just asking.

Have a great day
Craig

White smoke is unburnt fuel.

Black smoke is from inefficient combustion, for the most part. Sometimes a little haze is good and tells you that you’re near making max power.

Any smoke/haze on a DPF equipped truck means it’s been deleted or has a DPF problem.


There are plenty of ways to maintain a street legal rig, often the choice to delete is cheaper and easier but that doesn’t make it the only choice.

Driving a modern diesel is expensive, prohibitively so for most but they don’t realize that up front.

Not saying I agree with where we are at EPA wise, just talking where we are currently at in this country.

 

[josephc1]

and the debate goes on.

 

[Jim W]

Not all deleted trucks will produce white or black smoke under power when driving. Just saying!

 

[AH64ID]

Not all deleted trucks will produce white or black smoke under power when driving. Just saying!

Nope. But to be fair no truck should produce white smoke. That’s a big issue if they do.

My 05 ran much cleaner tuned than on stock tuning, but that’s also pre-DPF.

 

[RammerJam]

Not all deleted trucks will produce white or black smoke under power when driving. Just saying!

The engine is gonna do what the engine does. The DPF just keeps you from seeing it.

I don't see any smoke coming from mine. I've even tried to get it to blow smoke and it won't do it.

It smells..... Like a diesel should and that drives my Wife bonkers, but I like the smell. The Wife thinks I'm nutz but I like it.

The fuel efficiency improvement is remarkable. I haven't towed with it yet but around town I'm up by at least 20% fuel efficiency. In fact, I've gotten to where I only put a half tank in it because I don't burn it out fast enough.

 

[CToney]

Interesting times. I have a 2017 Ecodiesel and 2020 3500. Very different trucks and emissions. In stock trim the ED regens every 200-250 miles. The 6.7L every 24 hours. Those that keep DPF but reduce EGR flow see regens every 400-500 miles. EGR is shut off for Regens, this helps raise combustion temp. Idling is bad for DPF health, short trips are bad, uncompleted regens are bad, so many things are stacked against modern Diesel engines. No one educates the owners. Not sure on how to make SCR more reliable other than don’t fill your tank full in the winter. Those that go on short trips shouldn’t run a diesel vehicle. Old cranky me again...I apologize.

 

[Wiredawg]

Interesting times. I have a 2017 Ecodiesel and 2020 3500. Very different trucks and emissions. In stock trim the ED regens every 200-250 miles. The 6.7L every 24 hours. Those that keep DPF but reduce EGR flow see regens every 400-500 miles. EGR is shut off for Regens, this helps raise combustion temp. Idling is bad for DPF health, short trips are bad, uncompleted regens are bad, so many things are stacked against modern Diesel engines. No one educates the owners. Not sure on how to make SCR more reliable other than don’t fill your tank full in the winter. Those that go on short trips shouldn’t run a diesel vehicle. Old cranky me again...I apologize.

CT,
Yep, the truth can suck, so I don't see your comments ss cranky.... just a knowledgeable Cummins Ram owner.

I know it's REAL easy to say "IF" but if'n I was a Northerner with a Ram Cummins, I'd put the winter front on, and once a week or so, git'r out on the road of highway, and run'r in 4th or 3rd at 55 for an hour or so. If so.

I'm not in winter weather, but have my 5500 that's lost its job as heavy 5er hauler, so I'm driving it 2 or 3 times a week. I turned the performance module up to 90HP, so the "Clydesdale" acts like a racehoss.

Just as a side note, my new International Dynastar with 6.7L Cummins tracks DPF % fullness, and performs regens as needed, but has a manual regen on the dash. I wonder if Ram will ever add one.

Anyhoo, it is wut it is, however bad it is.

Cheers, Ron

 

[bcbender]

Speaking of tracking regens... I have noticed mine has been in "regen" when I started it once, but seems like it should not do so with a cold engine, I jumped out on the highway and drove it until it completed, but I have had the DPF % gauge on since and the darn thing is not showing a change, I have never seen anything on the DPF dash gauge (EVIC) but have seen it go into regen a few times.. I wish there was a light like my Deere has so you know when it is / is not doing a regen. 2800 on the clock now, taking another trip north this weekend

 

[CToney]

Speaking of tracking regens... I have noticed mine has been in "regen" when I started it once, but seems like it should not do so with a cold engine, I jumped out on the highway and drove it until it completed, but I have had the DPF % gauge on since and the darn thing is not showing a change, I have never seen anything on the DPF dash gauge (EVIC) but have seen it go into regen a few times.. I wish there was a light like my Deere has so you know when it is / is not doing a regen. 2800 on the clock now, taking another trip north this weekend

You need OBD Fusion or Torque app to monitor DPF%. I can help coach you up on the install. I’m still learning but I like to monitor and watch stuff. I agree with others a manual regen button would be super handy. 15 mins from home 10 minutes until a regen... I’d hit the button and be all cooled off by the time I parked.

 

[bcbender]

You need OBD Fusion or Torque app to monitor DPF%. I can help coach you up on the install. I’m still learning but I like to monitor and watch stuff

I'll look into it. Is one better than the other? Is it an app or do you need hardware? Does it run on an Ipad or is it PC based? Not super computer savy.. but I also was interested in looking into the TPMS sensor adjustment many have done..

So what is the DPF Filter gauge on the EVIC for then? It never moves...

 

[AH64ID]

So what is the DPF Filter gauge on the EVIC for then? It never moves...

Unless do a lot of city driving, or ranch driving, you will likely not ever see that move much. These 13+ trucks are very easy on the DPF thanks to SCR.

The truck will do a active regen every 24 hours of runtime regardless of DPF fill %, so that also keeps it clean.

As long as the DPF temp is above 600° with your normal driving it’s in some level of passive regen and stays very clean.

For example my truck did an active regen at 913 engine hours, and 2 driving hours later (rural style) my wife took it to get a puppy in E Idaho and put 12 hours of highway/rural time on it. When she got back my DPF back pressure (my monitor doesn’t show %) was at 0.00 psi, meaning she was cleaning the DPF the whole drive even thou she wasn’t towing or hauling anything. It will still do it’s 24 hour regen at 937 hours even if I kept the back pressure at 0.00 psi.

So long story longer, that’s likely why your DPF gauge never moves.

 

[bcbender]

OK that makes more sense then... The only thing I have had was my JD and it does a active regen every 25h or 75% but it doesn't have SCR,

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Unless do a lot of city driving, or ranch driving, you will likely not ever see that move much. These 13+ trucks are very easy on the DPF thanks to SCR.

What does the SCR have to do with the DPF or making anything easier on the DPF???
SCR is after the DPF in the exhaust system, and both systems work independently from each other.

 

[AH64ID]

What does the SCR have to do with the DPF or making anything easier on the DPF???
SCR is after the DPF in the exhaust system, and both systems work independently from each other.

Because SCR means less EGR, especially at high loads, so the engine runs cleaner in terms of soot production but not NOx. The SCR cleans up the NOx as after treatment instead of EGR doing it in the cylinder.

So it’s not a direct causation, but it still has an effect on soot in the exhaust.

It comes down to how the engine burns the fuel on SCR vs non-SCR trucks.

 

[kthaxton]

I believe combustion temps play a part too. Basically, if SCR is used, the engine's tuning (combustion temps and EGR) can be optimized for power and efficiency, which results in less PM production. This of course produces more NOX, but the SCR takes care of it downstream.