CP4.2 Owners Club

[TFucili]

I'm not here to argue, but don't kid yourself. Ford sells more heavy duty diesel pickups and medium duty than RAM does. There are vastly more Ford 550 Powerstrokes than RAM 5500 Cummins trucks.

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[troverman]

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So, where are the 2500 numbers? That would be a heavy-duty pickup, no? Furthermore, where is Ward's getting this data from, since it appears at this time only GM is publishing a breakdown of truck sales by class.

We can look at F-Series vs GM full size sales and Ford outsells both Chevrolet and GMC combined, and RAM...so if RAM is outselling on HDs than the highly-acclaimed 2019 1500 must sell like crap...or Ford must sell a ton of F-250 trucks for this data to be accurate.

 

[TFucili]

So, where are the 2500 numbers? That would be a heavy-duty pickup, no? Furthermore, where is Ward's getting this data from, since it appears at this time only GM is publishing a breakdown of truck sales by class.

We can look at F-Series vs GM full size sales and Ford outsells both Chevrolet and GMC combined, and RAM...so if RAM is outselling on HDs than the highly-acclaimed 2019 1500 must sell like crap...or Ford must sell a ton of F-250 trucks for this data to be accurate.

It starts at Class 3. It was from Heavy Duty Trucking magazine. It's a free country, believe whatever you like. Ford does not stomp Ram in the 10K and up GVW classes.

Figures have not been published since the virus thing hit.
https://www.truckinginfo.com/

 

[Cummins12V98]

Simply look around!!! RAM is dominating the Tow Truck and Ambulance market!

 

[troverman]

I'd say its regional; around here (NH/VT) its very Ford dominated.

 

[Signal73]

I'd say its regional; around here (NH/VT) its very Ford dominated.

I see a lot of Chevrolet when I visit up north. I don’t see many Ram dealers up that way, that’s why I figured the lack of Rams.

 

[AKDoug]

Simply look around!!! RAM is dominating the Tow Truck and Ambulance market!

It's all low bidder. Ford dominates the market up here.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Actually these places got tired of the trucks leaving them along the side of the road.

 

[troverman]

Ford / GM / Dodge...they all are good trucks and get the job done. Depends upon your preference for styling and each have particular strengths and weaknesses. I've owned 6 Ford Super Duty trucks for my business; they were all very good. Gone now, on my second RAM diesel, plus one GMC. All performing well. It's hard to say "brand x" is junk these days. Yeah, Ford went from having the 7.3L diesel which was comparable in longevity to the 12V Cummins to a couple of unreliable diesels which soured people on Ford. But the latest 6.7L Ford from 2011 - on has been good.

 

[SnoKing]

Trouble is how Ford handled the CP4 problems, blaming the users in way to many causes. GM on the other hand just fixed them until they could not stand the pain anymore and switched to the Denso HP4.

How RAM handles this is yet to be seen. Telling someone it is going to be a couple months to fix a major issue does not cut it.

 

[troverman]

Trouble is how Ford handled the CP4 problems, blaming the users in way to many causes. GM on the other hand just fixed them until they could not stand the pain anymore and switched to the Denso HP4.

How RAM handles this is yet to be seen. Telling someone it is going to be a couple months to fix a major issue does not cut it.

Yet the percentage of people with pump failures is quite low. How it was handled varied dealer by dealer...same as GM. You are correct that GM did seem to warranty more than Ford did. In fairness though, is it the manufacturer's fault that contaminated fuel was used which caused the failure? I know the owners did nothing in poor faith, but a warranty is to remedy a 'defect in materials or workmanship.'

 

[gsbrockman]

Yet the percentage of people with pump failures is quite low. How it was handled varied dealer by dealer...same as GM. You are correct that GM did seem to warranty more than Ford did. In fairness though, is it the manufacturer's fault that contaminated fuel was used which caused the failure? I know the owners did nothing in poor faith, but a warranty is to remedy a 'defect in materials or workmanship.'

Define “contaminated fuel”.....

Is it diesel fuel that does not meet the specifications of the USA diesel fuel standards?

Is it the diesel fuel that meets USA standards...but does not meet the high pressure pump manufacturers requirements?

Is it diesel fuel that is truly contaminated in nature....ie substandard underground storage tanks, fuel that was inadvertently treated with DEF, or fuel that was trashed with a 2 lb bag of Domino’s best sugar?

 

[SnoKing]

Ford's water sensor on the early 6.7s appeared to not work or Ford lied. Example: Customer had no water warning light, yet Ford said they found water and blamed the customer.

 

[dieselshadow]

Ford's water sensor on the early 6.7s appeared to not work or Ford lied. Example: Customer had no water warning light, yet Ford said they found water and blamed the customer.

Well, that’s Ford. Apples and oranges. Not saying that FCA wouldn’t do the same, but it really doesn’t apply here and now.

 

[Wayne M.]

Who In their right mind compares a 7.3 cornbinder to a 12 valve on the TDR?

 

[SnoKing]

Who In their right mind compares a 7.3 cornbinder to a 12 valve on the TDR?

Maybe they were talking about noise level? However the 24V 2nd gen wins that one.

 

[Wayne M.]

The only time a 7.3 is quiet is when it’s out of oil.

 

[EDankievitch]

I think they were referring to the fact that the early 6.9 and 7.3 did run and could if given half a chance run for many miles. But the only way it could come close to a 12 valve is if the turbo fell off the 12 valve.

 

[TFucili]

Having had the displeasure of owning two 6.9s, I would say... actually I'll be banned for what I would say.

 

[Wayne M.]

The only “problem” I ever had working on 6.9’s were those pesky O rings that sealed the return “cups” that went over the injectors.