CTD Homemade Hybrid?

[ThrottleJockey]

Ive seen members on this site fabricate and tweak some pretty cool mods on our beloved diesel trucks.

Now I wonder if we have as a group the skill set (I know we do) to come up with a kit to convert our rigs to hybrids (electric assist).



We already have the hard part in place. The best d@*m diesel engine on the planet!



What else do we need? A big 5000 watt welding generator? (Remember that episode of 'Trucks'?) a small AC or DC traction motor? A bed full of Optima Yellow Tops?



Let's bend OPEC over a table!! #@$%!



Gimme your ideas, guys!

Brian

 

[Rams-n-Hogs]

I would think it would be cheaper, more efficient, and more environmentally friendly, to start using biodiesel. At least from everything I've read on it so far.



Jim

 

[WyattEarp]

ThrottleJockey I have to agree if there is a site which has the means as far as member knowhow its here Oo.

I saw the trucks episode where they hooked the generator on the F250 V-10 very impressive and handy for sure, could you imagine a diesel setup, you could run your house off this thing... . I have an extra powerplant here that is military application which will be redone and possibly if i can find a big enough generator to hook to the flywheel, goodbye electricity bill, but thats for later... .

 

[nickleinonen]

ThrottleJockey I have to agree if there is a site which has the means as far as member knowhow its here Oo.

I saw the trucks episode where they hooked the generator on the F250 V-10 very impressive and handy for sure, could you imagine a diesel setup, you could run your house off this thing... . I have an extra powerplant here that is military application which will be redone and possibly if i can find a big enough generator to hook to the flywheel, goodbye electricity bill, but thats for later... .

i've been thinking the same [when i get my own home and if i had the land to do this] i could probably get as much used engine lube oil as i could take from work [40w] and if i cut that with some home made bio or heating oil, i could run an older [or new replica] medium speed engine [large single or 2 cylinder lister] with a generator enough to run most my power needs

 

[rbattelle]

i've been thinking the same [when i get my own home and if i had the land to do this] i could probably get as much used engine lube oil as i could take from work [40w] and if i cut that with some home made bio or heating oil, i could run an older [or new replica] medium speed engine [large single or 2 cylinder lister] with a generator enough to run most my power needs

But what about noise? Neighbors might not like it... unless you bury it.



-Ryan

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Sounds good WyattEarp,



Spill the beans and give us some specs on that bad boy.

What was it used for in the military?

 

[WyattEarp]

no neighbors here to deal with as far as the noise is concerned.

The engine is 1650lbs of pure grunt, this is the multifuel which has powered the M35A1, A2, and A3 2 1/2 ton army trucks for years along with 5 tons also. Depending on model and if turbo or non, their hp ratings can range from 130-200hp, but the all valuable torq is where they work for you, in the 400-600lbs of torq. depending on engine and other factors. I know for a fact that at only 130hp it will move a 13,000lb + truck with ease.

I posted a pic sometime back of the turbo engine i have waiting to be put in my deuce...

 

[Ol'TrailDog]

The take I've heard on bio-diesel is that if it was produced on a mass production scale it would cost more in fuel to farm the source than would be produced. Incident production, e. g. McGrease, is a different story.

 

[Tomeygun]

old thread to the top!



I am actually working on a electric assist assembly that will hoook to your trailer hitch receiever. It will have 12 batteries and a 144v DC traction motor... about 30-40hp continous rating... The motor will be in place of the drive shaft of an old dana 60



it will be like another axle behind the truck pushing me along



I figure I can motive the truck to 20-30 mph and then the diesel can take over OR the electric motor can assist the diesel at highway speeds...



Thoughts?

 

[AKaiser]

The take I've heard on bio-diesel is that if it was produced on a mass production scale it would cost more in fuel to farm the source than would be produced. Incident production, e. g. McGrease, is a different story.

That's only a "half-truth. " Not to mention, the study that most enviro types reference (Pimental and Patzek) is full of erroneous assumptions and questionable calculations. Read the linked pdf which tears massive holes in Pimental and Patzek.



"Biodiesel Energy Balance," Jon Van Gerpen and Dev Shrestha, Department of Biological and Agricultural Engineering, University of Idaho



Pimentel, D. and T. W. Patzek, “Ethanol Production Using Corn, Switchgrass, and Wood; Biodiesel Production Using Soybean and Sunflower,” Natural Resources Research, 14(1): 65-75, 2005

 

[nickleinonen]

old thread to the top!

I am actually working on a electric assist assembly that will hoook to your trailer hitch receiever. It will have 12 batteries and a 144v DC traction motor... about 30-40hp continous rating... The motor will be in place of the drive shaft of an old dana 60

it will be like another axle behind the truck pushing me along

I figure I can motive the truck to 20-30 mph and then the diesel can take over OR the electric motor can assist the diesel at highway speeds...

Thoughts?

in the last issue of diesel progress mag, there was an article about an electric motor that is mounted under the vehicle. it is a stand alone item control wise, and it is only for starting assist [can't make a velicle move on its own]. for stop/go driving it is a great idea. i am going to try and find the electronic version of it and link to it for others to read...

 

[nickleinonen]

http://www.variabletorquemotors.com/VTM 2-Fold Handout S3000 2007Q3.pdf

http://www.variabletorquemotors.com/Diesel Progress March 2008 VTM Writeup.pdf

 

[SHobbs]

I have always wondered about making a truck run like a locomotive. Diesel engine turning a generator which powers traction motors. I know that weight is a factor and it might not work but it's an idea. Has to be a way to make it work somehow. Imagine you engine only turning 900 rpm's at full throttle throwing down say 500 hp or more.

 

[ThrottleJockey]

I have always wondered about making a truck run like a locomotive. Diesel engine turning a generator which powers traction motors. I know that weight is a factor and it might not work but it's an idea. Has to be a way to make it work somehow. Imagine you engine only turning 900 rpm's at full throttle throwing down say 500 hp or more.

Weight a factor? Nah, I hear those locomotives are REALLY heavy!

 

[SHobbs]

ThrottleJockey,



Just a little bit most are between 200-400k lbs.

 

[nickleinonen]

biggun's are up to 440k lbs now... that spread across 12 dime sized contact patches makes for some large contact pressures

 

[FLynes]

Anyone see that commercial that talks about how a locomotive uses 1 gallon of fuel every 234 miles or so, pulling something like 900 tons of freight?



I was half-listening to it, while at the dinner table the other night.

 

[Tomeygun]

Anyone see that commercial that talks about how a locomotive uses 1 gallon of fuel every 234 miles or so, pulling something like 900 tons of freight?



I was half-listening to it, while at the dinner table the other night.

Its really a play of words...



They say "we can move a ton of frieght 434 miles with one gallon of fuel"



which is true, but the frieght is like 900 tons, thats like 900 gallons for every 434 miles. As well they use a diesel motor to generate electric to power massive motors... thus it is a hybrid

 

[ThrottleJockey]

Its really a play of words...



They say "we can move a ton of frieght 434 miles with one gallon of fuel"



which is true, but the frieght is like 900 tons, thats like 900 gallons for every 434 miles. As well they use a diesel motor to generate electric to power massive motors... thus it is a hybrid

Those motors ain't that big. We could fit one in the bed of a pick up.



I wonder how small they get?

 

[nickleinonen]

Those motors ain't that big. We could fit one in the bed of a pick up.

I wonder how small they get?

traction motors used on the locomotives are not all that big, but they are heavy. a modern GE DC traction motor [dash8/9/evo] is about 3'x3'x4' and weighs just over my truck. a combo [wheels & motor] weighs in at about 12k lbs if it is one of the fat wheels [extra inch of wear available on the wheel tread]