Cuban Justice

[paccool]

Just saw that the terrorists that hyjacked the ferry the first of the month were tried and found guilty. Cuba gave then several days to appeal. This morning at dawn, 3 of them were executed by firing squad.



This is the way terrorists and hijackers need to be treated!



Stan

 

[The patriot]

Actually

If they were guilty, they lived 3 days too long.

JMO

Eric

 

[paccool]

Eric, I agree! I guess that since there was a whole ferry load of witnesses there was not much question about the guilt. Too bad the U. S. didn't do things like this when there is no doubt about it. Will never happen here, the Lawyers and ACLU would step in and screw things up.



I always said that whenever someone hyjacks a plane and there is 100 or so witnesses, then if the hyjacking is stopped, take the hyjacker off the plane, go directly to the nearest wall and do what the Cubans just did. Would stop a lot of this BS we have to put up with today.



Stan

 

[loncray]

The reason the US government doesn't do this sort of thing is because the British government DID do this sort of thing, back in the 1770's. It's that whole right to a fair trial thing - or doesn't your copy of the Constitution go past the Second Amendment?

 

[paccool]

Like I said, when there is no doubt about the guilt.



I knew this would come up.



Stan

 

[The patriot]

Re: Actually

Originally posted by The patriot

If they were guilty, they lived 3 days too long.

JMO

Eric

I still stick by what I said.

Whats wrong with a "speedy and public" trial and conviction anyway?



Eric

 

[loncray]

Who has no doubt? The Government of Cuba? Well, there's a trustworthy bunch. If you shoot somebody - and there's no doubt you shot them - would you like to be put to death immediately or would you like the chance to claim self defense? After all, there's no doubt you shot them.

The US is founded on the idea that everybody, even criminals, has rights. Once you start taking them away, it's a slippery slope to totalitarianism. Didn't we just invade Iraq because the govt. there puts people to death without trials?

 

[loncray]

Speedy and Public trials usually get held up while the defense AND prosecution get their cases put together. The DC Sniper case we're holding is coming up in October - there was a hearing on it just today. One year from crime to trial - is that speedy enough?

 

[The patriot]

Originally posted by loncray

would you like to be put to death immediately or would you like the chance to claim self defense? After all, there's no doubt you shot them.

That's like putting the inmates in charge of the assilum.

It's a bass ackwards way of thinking... IMO

At least youre consistent. It's parallel to your tax arguement on "pleasing everyone" with tax cuts.

Eric

 

[loncray]

Of course it's bassackward - that's my whole point! I don't care if it's a terrorist or some guy stealing gum from 7-11 - there's a right to a fair (not just speedy/public) trial in this country.

I work hard to be consistent, except when I'm not. Oo.

 

[The patriot]

So, what youre saying is youre for guilty people sentencing themselves?

I gotta take up robbing banks..... I've been going about all this wrong all these years.

Eric

 

[loncray]

Where did you come up with self-sentencing? I didn't say anything about self sentencing, I said people (even hijackers) have the right to a fair trial. And a fair trial can't be accomplished outside a totalitarian system in three days.

 

[The patriot]

Maybe youre not so consistant.....

Originally posted by loncray

If you shoot somebody - and there's no doubt you shot them - would you like to be put to death immediately or would you like the chance to claim self defense? After all, there's no doubt you shot them.

This does.

This implies that you dont want to hurt the poor criminals feelings. If youre guilty in the eyes of your peers, you lost your rights, of couse... after trial.

If it's "the law" it's the law for all of us.

Yes, there would be a trial, but if there's "no doubt" it would strictly be for window dressing.

JM . 02

Eric

 

[loncray]

I didn't say or imply anything about criminals sentencing themselves. I said that, under your proposed 'window dressing' trial, anybody here who'd shot somebody would be put to death immediately.

It's that whole 'in the eyes of their peers' part that takes time and money. Our system isn't perfect - a few scumbags get out that shoulda gone to prison. But it's better'n anybody elses. Who is it in your system that decides there's 'no doubt'? I'm not worried about the criminal's feelings, I'm worried about his rights. Because once you take his rights, and the guy's next to him, and then the next guy, where do you stop? What you're proposing worked great - in the Soviet Union. And Iraq, and apparently Cuba.

 

[The patriot]

Guess were vastly different people.

I aint putting my hand on a Bible and lying.

Eric



PS Youre the one that said "no doubt". Answer it yourself.

Maybe the 100 some odd passengers on the ferry? Nuf witnesses?

 

[loncray]

Nah, we're both Americans, we just have different ideas of how to make it all work. Good thing too - it keeps things from getting too extreme either way.

You might not lie, and I might not lie, but plenty of other people lie. I think our only difference in this is that we've got different ideas on how to get to the whole "no doubt" part. You think it should be completely apparent immediately, I think you need a fair trial. Even if asking those 100 witnesses to testify slows things down. And if I shot somebody, you're damned skippy I want a chance to explain that it was self-defense!

 

[The patriot]

What I'm trying to say is, just because you claim not guilty,(with many witnesses present) dont mean you can go down the road of endless (and expensive to us taxpayers) appeals.

I'm not too sure how self defence fits into hijacking a ferry , but I suppose stranger things have happened.

Eric

 

[loncray]

Ah, now reform of the appeal process is something I can get behind. I agree that the endless appeals have to stop - but we've got to do a better job of handling at least the capital cases at the local court level. I'm a supporter of the death penalty, but I'm troubled every time somebody else on death row is set free because DNA evidence proved them innocent. And they were put on death row because a jury of their peers found "No Doubt" that they were innocent!

Clean up the original casework, and the appeals will get fewer and fewer all the time.

 

[The patriot]

Guess we have some common ground anyway.

Eric

 

[loncray]

We're both Americans, we both love our country, and we both drive Dodge Rams. And we'll have to agree to disagree on the details!