Competition Cummins and Banks go racing - 210 mph Dakota

[Ram4Sam]

Banks article

Patrick, I read the articles and found the project very intersesting.

It is too bad some of these clowns have nothing else to do but look at the negative side of anything Banks does. Keep up the effort, I for one, am looking forward to seeing the results of a project like this. They don't represent all of us here on this board.



Sam

P. S. Patrick, is it possible to stop by your shop and have a look at this project truck?

 

[KatDiesel]

Please keep this thread on topic! He didn't post on here saying Banks is best, buy it... he simply linked upto a new conversion project they are doing.



I for one would like to see what they do with it just out of curiosity.

 

[SLang]

600 RWHP emissions legal common rail injected 5. 9 Cummins is achievable. Look at the big trucks (which have used common rail for years) for the answer. Some of these truck can do well over 1000 HP and still generate 6-7 MPG. In reference the NTC's only get 4-5 MPG no matter what you do and a stock computer truck gets 6-7 MPG. This is all assuming OTR driving.



Common rail gives you a lot of veriables to deal with. If you do general mechanical upgrades like larger fuel pump, larger injectors, and larger turbo, then do some major tuning it can be done. For a race engine this is concievable by throwing hours of people and tons of money.



Now the flip side. It may be a little touchy to do on the street. The guys that are doubling their rated HP in big trucks are getting custom tuning done (as I understand).



The other flip side, alot of people are doing 4-500 RWHP for around $2K. Add a shot of NOS and you have 5-600 HP for an additional $200.



Any engineering we can get people to do (including Banks) we should accept with open minds. These guys are where the new uprates will come from and were we will learn how to tune our own trucks.



More math:

Injectors: $264

HX-40: $760

Plate: $300

Governor: $125



Total: $1449



Hp around 400 RWHP



I still think Banks does some great engineering.



My opinion,

Scott

 

[carson6]

5.9CTD fits in the bed

bank's charged 1. 9K fo the air filter and recharge kit, exaust system ,fuel plate,turbo houseing,big head acuator,twin ram manifold,tran's temp sending unit,triple gauge pillar mount and intalled for 1. 1K for 300 h. p. they did a very clean job with no damage to my truck... ... . add these part up and with no grease on my hands's heck I spent more than the diffierance in a strip club!!!

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Oh, this is just absolutely hilarious!



Maturity... here's a good example (from somebody's signature): "Windshield says STROKE THIS

This Truck Eats PowerJokes and Puks Maxipads. :cool"



I think the project is very cool, and deserves some 'atta-boys'... . but I really got rubbed the wrong way when an employee of Banks comes right out and says that we need not worry... there's nothing to buy... is this not a direct admission of intention to promote a product? Providing information for the puposes of furthing the hobby is one thing..... but to deny that there aren't hidden reasons why we should check this out is another topic.



Again... I'll say: Cool project!! Bad company PR.



Matt - flames still goin' - 1st Amendment Rights exercised



On edit: By the way... you don't need to buy a new P7100 to make 400rwhp... even on a '94/'95 160hp truck... . so subtract your $2200 (for a brand new P7100) from the total.

Injectors, plate, delivery valves, timing adjustment, turbo - there you go... . 400hp... . if you spend more than $3k for that... . you spent your dough in an unwise manner.

 

[Lil' Dog]

Originally posted by SLang

600 RWHP emissions legal common rail injected 5. 9 Cummins is achievable. Look at the big trucks (which have used common rail for years) for the answer. Some of these truck can do well over 1000 HP and still generate 6-7 MPG. In reference the NTC's only get 4-5 MPG no matter what you do and a stock computer truck gets 6-7 MPG. This is all assuming OTR driving.



Scott

I don't know what highway trucks you see, but the most common power these days is around 600HP, and no they don't get 7 MPG.



1000 hp is one heck of a big engine, on diesel that should be a 20L engine or larger



J-eh

 

[SLang]

Diesel Injection of Pittsburg has put together a couple of the old KTA and KTTA Cummins that are over 1000 HP. These trucks have been driven daily on the east coast. Go to their site and read through Mallison's (SP?) articles.



The last I talked to Pittsburg they siad they had a couple electronic trucks in the works that would compete. I took that as 1000 HP, though they may have meant doing the same as 1000 HP mechanical engines with less HP electronic engine. None the less they supposedly have some in the works, i. e. on the road right now.



As far as MPG, the new electronic trucks can do 6-7 MPG. Pittsburg claims to not effect MPG but had no data at the time. It's hard getting any info out of them guys. They were the original Big Cam Cummins guys and everyone stole/barrowed their info. Now they are very tight lipped.



Besides, you can get a 600 HP engine directly from Cummins now. So increasing power 166% to 1000HP is not out of the question. Think of our trucks. It is not uncommon to see a 95 stick with 450 Hp or a 250% increase.



None the less it can be done, like anything else, for a price.



Scott

 

[TxDieselKid]

Matt,....

Well that's what I had down at first, but then I thought about the cam, and all this fun stuff. The difference between getting the WHOLE pump, and each part is about $800 less. I figure that this would be worth it just to get the whole thing done right, and new.



Andrew

 

[SlyBones]

Originally posted by SLang

The other flip side, alot of people are doing 4-500 RWHP for around $2K. Add a shot of NOS and you have 5-600 HP for an additional $200.



More math:

Injectors: $264

HX-40: $760

Plate: $300

Governor: $125



Total: $1449

First I dont see where this new math includes the exhaust, gauges, K&N filter that are all included in the Banks Kit. The comparisons should at least be apple to apple. Banks not only includes the Power mods but the EGT reductions mods and monitoring mods too.



My impression is also that Banks kits are designed together, so the EGTs are in check with the power mods applied, etc.



So For a guy that does the leg work here on the TDR, researches the components and checks his stuff, Banks may seem pricey for what you can get.



But for a retired guy that owns a RAM for towing his 5er, that does not want to mess with this stuff, wants a complete kit, quality, reliability, etc. I think Banks would be a wise choice.

 

[tgbol]

Pat

Thanks for the information. I know from experience that Gale builds excellent equipment on his Bonneville projects. The one question I have is who is going to drive it? And are you taking applications?

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Andrew,



I have no idea what you are trying to get across to me... ... you don't have to even touch the pump, except for the delivery valves ($250) to get 400rwhp... . nor do you have to touch the camshaft. A plate is $300, cheaper if you can grind one yourself (stupid easy... )



Matt

 

[Forrest]

Wonder if the Dakota hood will close around the B-1. :--)

 

[carson6]

injectors are how much?

SLang, my DDII's were 264$ for the front half of the motor!:--)

 

[DarrellB]

Sorry I offended you

Matt, sorry you think I'm immature because of my signature but that still doesn't make it right to give the poor guy a bunch of crap because he posted something you don't like. next time just don't read it (same with my sig. ) I myself think I'm pretty mature for my age 24 and going backwards:-laf



Good Day

Big D

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Big D,



Not knowing you personally, I have no idea whether you are immature or not. After reading your public apology to me, I can honestly say that you are more likely than not... a 100% bone fide mature dude.



We are all exercising our 1st Amendment rights here... . if I don't like what I see and make a comment... . that's acceptable. If I sit back and read the thread without ever posting a reply... that too is acceptable. Everyone could have just ignored my reply... . in the same way I could have ignored the very 1st original post from the Gale Banks dude..... where's the fun in that?



These here are just words... . try to remember that.

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda... didn't. Who cares? I certainly don't think that anyone's pride/self-esteem was hurt... . just some good-old fashioned delivery of rations full o' manure.



Matt

 

[Sled Puller]

Re: Banks diesel racer

Originally posted by Patrick McKinley - Gale Banks Engineering

Hello, fellow racing and power enthusiasts. I'm part of the Art/Communications Department here at Banks. I thought I'd post a quick note to all the Cummins freaks out there. (This won't break the posting rules since there's nothing for you to buy. )



No matter what your opinions are about Banks, there's no way you can't dig the special project we're doing with Cummins Engine Company.



I think every post I've ever read here in the forums has to do with getting more out of your trucks. Well, how does getting 600 hp from a 5. 9 sound?



Our website has a pretty extensive review of the project, and I think it's really worth a look.



Banks Sidewinder



Enjoy!

600 hp out of inline pumps is old news, (by about 400).

600 from common rail is very interesting.



And yes, the review of the project IS REALLY WORTH A LOOK.



I think it is safe to say that 99. 9% of the 10,000+ members would be glad to hear about what Banks is up to.



Please disregard the Kids from above, Banks, and post often.

 

[Rogue Ram]

I agree the project IS interesting..... but also think that Banks is here to market, and that should be obvious. I also think that the negative posts, including mine, were trying to point out that Banks should simply make no bones about the fact they are marketing--AND, they certainly are bold, as they sure haven't been very helpful in the customer service department when it comes to standing behind their their warranty claims, and that includes members of the TDR.



If you wish to jump on me/us for jumping on Banks, feel free, its your right. Given the way Banks has treated some of us (and its been written about), the responses to the negative posts are somewhat surprising-certainly did not want to fuzz up the fellow members. If anyone cares, I went back and tried to delete the post, but got a message that said posts can't be deleted after 1440 minutes (or some such thing).



Peace

 

[LSMITH]

Rogue Ram, what did you buy from banks and what was wrong with it?



Yes they market products, it is what supports their business. Big deal. The original post was nothing to do with any aftermarket product, just alerting us to it. It was probably done to prep us for marketing of that product in the future, but I really don't care. Marketing does not sell products to me, I choose the product that fits what I need regardless of manufacturer.

 

[Rogue Ram]

Let's just let it go. I'm not getting my point across so why continue it. I tried to delete the post and it won't delete. Dead issue.

 

[Doubleclutch]

Patrick - I wish you guys all the good luck in the world. I am currently working with several others to build and campaign a Dakota based drag race truck with a 5. 9 Cummins in it as well- Steve, how many sacks of cement were you planning on putting behind the left front headlight to handle the torque?