Cummins and Dodge both doing well.

[Posm]

Found this press release on the Cummins site with some interesting detail.



Record earnings:

In addition to setting a record for net income and EBIT, the Company achieved a number of other quarterly financial records, including.

Engine segment revenues.

Engine shipment volumes to DaimlerChrysler for the Dodge Ram.

Segment EBIT for the Power Generation segment.

Segment EBIT for the Distribution segment.



Record Third qt. shipments:

The segment saw double-digit growth in both on-highway and industrial markets. The introduction of the model year 2006 Dodge Ram drove record engine shipments of 42,200 that were 10 percent higher than last year and 16 percent higher than last quarter.



At 42K in the third quarter, that would put the Ram at 150 or 160K units per year. I am sure that the third quarter is one of the biggest with the model change over.



Here is the link:

http://www.cummins.com/cmi/content....menuId=4&overviewId=15&dataId=689&menuIndex=0



I bet the boys at Navistar and Ford with they had some positive numbers to gloat over.



Bryan

 

[betterthanstock]

I've seen a few more new Dodge/Cummins with the road construction crews. Probably replaced a few 6. 0's.

 

[jwduke]

I think DC is doing better than GM & Ford both, right now.

 

[JonathanBurk]

Yea, but my neighbor told me the other day that next year Ford is going with Cummins. Oo. LOL

 

[XJSuperman]

I don't have the 'proof' so to speak to back it up... but it is my understanding that ford and gm are indeed NOT doing well right now.

 

[KennethS]

GM Is not the number 1 auto maker any more

They are shutting down several plants and lawoff are up also. Ford Is In the same problem also. GM, Ford and DM Chrysler wants to cut Medical benefits from retirees which Is a burden to all. GM Is the leader on this so far. The auto market Is IN for a big change as I see It. Cummins Is In good shape they say and I think they are. Ford was sleeping at the wheel on Cummins and so was GM. Cummings had to build a seperate plant gor the six cylender engine for Dodge I read somewhere. They could steal the whole market for the light truck market with little trouble as I see It. Another Is Allison transmission have a fantastic reputation also and could be a leader In the heavy duty light truck market also. There I go again dreaming what to come IN the fucture.

 

[TowPro]

I sort of hate to see news like this right now. I have one on order that will probably be delevered in Jan. When sales go up Rebates go down



Of course I am happy for Dodge, but I was thinking of my own pocket book when I made the above statement.



When I ordered it in Oct there was a $1500 rebate offered.

November offered a $2500 rebate

December went back down to $2000 or that "free gas" thing.

Hope January brings $3000 (at least I can wish )

 

[jwduke]

And to think, the 5. 9 was offered to GM first... .....

 

[KennethS]

Go back to dealer because you are entitled to whatever was on when you ordered your truce or what Is available when you take the new truck. I was a dealer and had to do this. Its no problem.

 

[Cattletrkr]

Ford's doing just fine...

... 'cause Ford owns Cummings... :-laf :-laf









Hey, somebody had to say it and I beat Klenger to the punch.

 

[BHanna]

I sort of hate to see news like this right now. I have one on order that will probably be delevered in Jan. When sales go up Rebates go down

It's good for resale value though

 

[WM-300]

Until DC drops Cummins. If they ever drop Cummins in favor of another diesel, they will cut their throats and bleed on their feet. And I bet they do drop Cummins in the future in favor of a DC owned diesel.



WM-300

 

[betterthanstock]

And I bet they do drop Cummins in the future in favor of a DC owned diesel.

They are not stupid. They will add the choice of an MB engine before dropping Cummins. That depends on wheteher they renew the contract of mutual exclusivity in full size pickups (no Cummins in Ford, no MB in Dodge).



In the Dakota or Ram 1500 they may introduce a smaller V6 or inline 4 if they can clear EPA hurdles. There are rumors of Cummins working on both a V6 and V8 right now, supposedly for '07, so if Cummins is pushy they will push their V6 into the Dakotas, otherwise they are going into F150 or Titans? and MB is going into the smaller stuff, just like it is in Liberty (I know that's an Italian diesel, and the European PT cruiser uses VW TDI engines. )

 

[mlewis73]

I'm afraid they won't give folks like ME an incentive to buy, they're doing so well...

 

[ilovetrains]

Until DC drops Cummins. If they ever drop Cummins in favor of another diesel, they will cut their throats and bleed on their feet. And I bet they do drop Cummins in the future in favor of a DC owned diesel.



WM-300

Kind of off topic here, but I think this is somewhat unlikely, let me explain. DC is sitting on many different small displacement diesels from many manufactures, some in house, some with manufacturing partners. Any of which could easily be dropped into smaller vehicles. However todays 3/4 and 1 ton segment is much heavier and more demanding than it was a few years ago. None of those diesels are applicable to that market segment.



Likewise, DC has quite a few heavy class 8 powertrains. None of those could be put into the p/u segment. Consequently DC would have to engineer a new engine just for this segment. Ask GM how much they spent on the Isuzu engine going in their trucks.



DC also plans to enter the 4500/5500 market. The Cummins 5. 9 most likely will not make it into those trucks as DC will have larger options from in house.



I think we will continue to see Cummins branded engines in 3/4 and 1 ton models for the next few years.

 

[SThorud]

DC's "proprietary" I-6 diesel, the MBE 900 is a bit too tall in comparison to the Cummins and most likely won't find its way into the Dodge application anytime soon.



If DC's marketing knows anything about marketing and sales, they should realize that just having that little C on the side of the truck is the reason for about 3/4 of their sales.

 

[Elite1]

DC's "proprietary" I-6 diesel, the MBE 900 is a bit too tall in comparison to the Cummins and most likely won't find its way into the Dodge application anytime soon.



If DC's marketing knows anything about marketing and sales, they should realize that just having that little C on the side of the truck is the reason for about 3/4 of their sales.

Maybe this Mercedes/Chrysler will see it's way into a pickup somewhere down the line...

http://www.detroitdiesel.com/Products/Mercedes-Benz/MBE_4000/index.asp

 

[SThorud]

I hope you're joking...



The MBE 4000 is a 12. 8L



The MBE 900 is a 6. 4L and like I said, even it would be a tight fit.

 

[cyborg]

I had a conversation like this at work yesterday. After we got through the typical Ford/Chevy is better because (insert dribble here), I was told again, "that dodge has weaker frames than the others, they routinely bend or break them tying them down on transports". The "diesels in winter" subject fell apart when I told them the cummins had no glow plugs. They think I'm on crack.



GM will soon be replaced by Toyota as #1, here and abroad. My take on things is the big three are all making the same mistakes, globally. They are producing fifty versions of the same car/truck to cut costs. The only thing they cut is sales. A little more diversity in their offerings would probably go a long way. Remember how GM got to be #1!!



I don't think DC realizes the gem they have in the cummins. It's too simple, not technical enough. Sooner or later they will re-invent the wheel.

 

[KB0OU]

I don't think any pickup manufacturer will put an engine in one soon that weighs over 2,000 pounds.