Cummins in the news.

[NIsaacs]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/cummins-2-04-billion-charge-124808322.html

 

[Diesel85]

Sigh... just another blow to the diesel community.

This sort of stuff reminds me of the three letter "g" - control word...

Yet it's still OK for auto manufacturers to not control gasoline emissions like they do diesel.

 

[AH64ID]

So which recall is tied to this?

 

[NIsaacs]

Then to add more insult to Ram...The 2500 is the lowest selling vehicle right now, huge inventories.

https://caredge.com/guides/new-car-inventory-most-and-least

 

[AH64ID]

Then to add more insult to Ram...The 2500 is the lowest selling vehicle right now, huge inventories.

https://caredge.com/guides/new-car-inventory-most-and-least

The internet is killing the Ram 2500 right now with its class low GVWR of 10K lbs. Any forum/group/etc is pushing GVWR/payload as a legally binding number everywhere and that really hurts the 10K Ram with a 6.7.

Ram is the only 3/4 ton without a 11K+ GVWR. It’s time for a change.

 

[NIsaacs]

The internet is killing the Ram 2500 right now with its class low GVWR of 10K lbs. Any forum/group/etc is pushing GVWR/payload as a legally binding number everywhere and that really hurts the 10K Ram with a 6.7.

Ram is the only 3/4 ton without a 11K+ GVWR. It’s time for a change.

I agree and the SO/68RFE. Ford and GM 3/4 tons have full power.

 

[TMyers]

The Fed's may have fined Cummins, but ultimately, we the consumers, will pay it in higher truck prices. I guess the government will use the fine for more EV incentives.

 

[SpidRacer]

So which recall is tied to this?

Could it be that "#67A 2013-2018 D TRUCK ENGINE CALIBRATION" notices many of us have been getting? Showed up in my CarFax dashboard.

 

[AH64ID]

Could it be that "#67A 2013-2018 D TRUCK ENGINE CALIBRATION" notices many of us have been getting? Showed up in my CarFax dashboard.

The article was specific to 19+ motors.

 

[NIsaacs]

The article was specific to 19+ motors.

It might be getting expanded to include the older trucks. I found this.

https://www.ramforum.com/threads/fca-emissions-recall-67a.205085/

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2020/MC-10173340-9999.pdf

 

[SpidRacer]

The article was specific to 19+ motors.

This was the paragraph that led me to believe it was 13+:
"The department said Cummins used defeat devices on 630,000 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines and undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines to cheat emissions control requirements."

 

[AH64ID]

This was the paragraph that led me to believe it was 13+:
"The department said Cummins used defeat devices on 630,000 2013 to 2019 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines and undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices on 330,000 2019 to 2023 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines to cheat emissions control requirements."

Missed that part, thanks.

 

[Diesel85]

As I've said before, the government hates us diesel owners.

I'll put on my tinfoil hat and say that I still think it's a conspiracy for people control.

They know the diesel engine inherently produces less CO and other gasses, unlike a dirty gasoline engine.

Then this popped up across my phone today for my locale:

https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2023...ontrols-on-diesel-trucks-prosecutors-say.html

 

[AMink]

I have to get my 18 smogged every year and it passes with almost zeros in each measure. So what's the "defeat"?

 

[petersonj]

I have to get my 18 smogged every year and it passes with almost zeros in each measure. So what's the "defeat"?

Could be the same "defeat" that Volkswagen did - wrote software to pass emission testing when being tested, then went back to not passing emissions when being driven.

- John

 

[Ozymandias]

Could be the same "defeat" that Volkswagen did - wrote software to pass emission testing when being tested, then wen back to not passing emissions when being driven.

- John

No definitely not!

The problem is the definition of a "defeat device" - the article doesn't say what it was.

Read into it, some of these "defeats" keep the system from destroying itself under certain conditions.

There must be a new definition of Defeat from EPA, I'm dead sure that Cummins did not cheat the way we define cheat. Especially not on a new engine generation 2019+.

Can someone find out what actually the problem was????

 

[NIsaacs]

No definitely not!

The problem is the definition of a "defeat device" - the article doesn't say what it was.

Read into it, some of these "defeats" keep the system from destroying itself under certain conditions.

There must be a new definition of Defeat from EPA, I'm dead sure that Cummins did not cheat the way we define cheat. Especially not on a new engine generation 2019+.

Can someone find out what actually the problem was????

This:

The formal settlement, which will need court approval, will be made public as early as next month.

Afraid the bomb shell is going to get bigger...

RAM-owner Stellantis declined to comment.

Cummins previously said U.S. regulators were scrutinizing Nissan Titan trucks from the 2016 to 2019 model years and that it was developing a new software calibration and hardware fix and would recall the trucks.

Cummins previously took $59 million in charges to address the costs of the RAM and Titan recalls. Nissan did not immediately comment Friday.

The company, which also counts PACCAR and Daimler Trucks North America as its customers, said about $1.93 billion is expected to be paid in the first half of 2024.

In August 2022, the U.S. business of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles -- now a unit of Stellantis -- pleaded guilty to criminal conspiracy and paid nearly $300 million to resolve a multi-year U.S. Justice Department diesel-emissions fraud probe. FCA US LLC was also sentenced to a three-year term of organizational probation.

 

[NIsaacs]

It's interesting to note, the 4500-5500's are not mentioned.

 

[Topzide]

Speculation is that it might be the HO engine and not the whole 6.7's. Will have to wait till next month to find out for sure. Yes, it seems to be another attack on the diesel engine market! Seem so strange that the EU has a primary of diesel powered vehicles and the exact opposite here in the USA. Yet the more emission related equipment on diesels let alone gasoline engines is killing them! Seems to be the next "big" push to EV which is funny that the Maine vote is delayed with the 400K+ power outages that have been multiple days! May need to rethink these EV pushes as lives depend on getting out and electric may not be available! The Government may need bigger generators to run charging stations!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NIsaacs]

I wonder if Ram saw this coming with the big discounts and all, maybe a stop sale on the horizon?

For sure, the Ram used market will suffer.