Cummins in the news.

[SMcGrady]

Allegations or facts… does it matter? Ram says there is a recall already to fix it. I see there’s a 67A recall that applies to my 2016 3500.

It says, in part:

“FCA US LLC, has determined that certain [2013-2018 (DJ) RAM 2500 Pickup and (D2) RAM
3500 Pickup] trucks equipped with a 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel engine requires upgraded
emission control software according to Federal and California regulations/standards.
WHY DOES MY VEHICLE NEED REPAIRS?
The engine control software in your vehicle [1] must be updated with an upgraded calibration as
required by the US Environmental Protection Agency and California Air Resources Board for
better emission performance.”

So, if I bring it in and they de-tune and/or somehow “fix” it to make it pass the expected emissions standards, what will my torque, HP, fuel economy look like?? If it becomes an underpowered brick, am I just expected to suck it up? Too bad that I spent over $60k for a truck that I expected to be able to do the work that I required…

I hope that someone will look out for the consumers that end up taking it in the shorts every time a bunch of corporate crooks get their fingers caught in the cookie jar.

 

[Regen]

Or, a person needing a higher GVWR can buy a truck with a higher GVWR. Sounds pretty simple.
I have a 2500 with a 10k GVWR and a 3500 with a 3500 GVWR. Why? Because that’s what is offered.

 

[AH64ID]

Or, a person needing a higher GVWR can buy a truck with a higher GVWR. Sounds pretty simple.
I have a 2500 with a 10k GVWR and a 3500 with a 3500 GVWR. Why? Because that’s what is offered.

It should be that simple, but the majority of 2500 owners aren’t shopping for 10K GVWR’s so the 10K GVWR is hurting sales.

Do you really think that GM and Furd upped their 3/4 ton GVWRs to reduce sales?

The simple answer is to offer a 10K GVWR option on both 2500 and 3500 platforms for those that need it, but don’t hamstring the vast majority of the owners.

I also realize that GVWR means nothing to private use, but many don’t.

 

[Regen]

You are correct. Most people don’t even look at the GVWR or GCVWR when purchasing.

 

[AH64ID]

You are correct. Most people don’t even look at the GVWR or GCVWR when purchasing.

Generally no, but it’s becoming more common with internet groups and forums. There are plenty of folks preaching GVWR/payload to effect sales, it’s rampant on every rv forum I’ve been to.

BTW, it’s GCWR. There isn’t a term GCVWR.

 

[Regen]

Correct. It is GCWR.
Mine is at 24k truck and trailer. Keeping me under 26,001. Which is perfect for me in Texas.

 

[AH64ID]

Correct. It is GCWR.
Mine is at 24k truck and trailer. Keeping me under 26,001. Which is perfect for me in Texas.

The photo of your new truck is a crew cab long box Cummins, which has a GCWR of over 26K lbs.

Or are you talking GCW?

 

[Regen]

Yes.

 

[Timd32]

Cummins churning over $2B in net income year over year, seems like they will be fine here not too much to worry about.

Maybe they take the opportunity to shift some more into industrial machines and reduce the current long lead times of orders in the que would be easily able to catch up these totals if they wanted too.

There is considerable lines of engines needed still on the industrial side, I think this automotive market is smaller in nature for them.

They are a healthy company for sure.

https://investor.cummins.com/financial-info/balance-sheet

I'm not sure this will result in anything more then an inconvenience for current RAM owners, not like they will pay me my time to get my rig fixed. The "free" fixes/flashes are hardly that for anyone.

Long term it's been a bleak future for Diesel trucks, which is why I got my 2022 really, I wanted to be able to experience a really neat piece of engineering and technology while not destroying my 2500 gasser pulling my personal stuff.

How does this compare to the VW deal? Whereas VW is the supplier and MFG of both, its very muddy with Cummins and RAM. So I don't expect any windfall for consumers here. WDIK.

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Tried to follow the $ for the 2016 VW Dieselgate stuff to see what that settled out to be used for.

As compared to that not sure what exactly they are talking about here with Cummins, will wait and see.

What exactly was the EPA VW $ used for would be something to look at and see if they have just found a huge revenue stream to pull from hence these large totals.

Vehicle buyback was a huge total for VW, I feel this is only the domestic US numbers, globally its much higher from what I can tell.

In total, Defendants repaid consumers more than $9.5 billion.1 The two FTC settlements (“FTC Orders”) required far more robust notice procedures than many private settlements provide, see DE2104 (Oct. 25, 2016) at 15-18, DE3227 (May 17, 2017) at 19-21, and consumers responded: Defendants made payments associated with more than 88% of their “Clean Diesel” vehicles.2 The FTC Orders also afforded most affected consumers a choice to (a) have Defendants take back their vehicle (buying it back at favorable pre-negotiated prices or terminating leases early with compensation), or (b) have Defendants modify their vehicle and provide compensation. See DE2104 at 21-25; DE3227 at 19-23. Consumers responded to this choice as well: of U.S. consumers eligible to choose a buyback or early lease termination who proceeded through the claims process, made a choice, and received their remedy, 86.2% chose a buyback or early lease termination.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/new...95-billion-car-buyers-who-were-deceived-clean

This is just the FTC side not the EPA side.

Does not list the actual values provided on average for the vehicles. I would not expect that level here with the Cummins situation.

 

[Diesel85]

I hope by 2027 I can have two diesels in the garage. One being my VM EcoDiesel and one being a Cummins.

I am making it happen financially by taking cuts in other places and working more OT. I really want another oil burner.

Yes, and modern diesels (at least to me) is amazing technology from what they evolved from.

It hurts my feelings that they don't see the potential in compression ignition engines using net zero bio fuels. EV are dangerous and not the way to go long term.

 

[Diesel85]

Interesting video:

 

[josephc1]

So, my truck is running so good I hate to take it in. I've been running 17% DEF concentration for the last few years doing real well with that, hate for them to screw with anything. Never an issue with anything engine or emission related coming up on 99K miles.

 

[AH64ID]

So, my truck is running so good I hate to take it in. I've been running 17% DEF concentration for the last few years doing real well with that, hate for them to screw with anything. Never an issue with anything engine or emission related coming up on 99K miles.

How are you not setting a code at 17% DEF? It should set a CEL at 22%

 

[TomBrady]

So, my truck is running so good I hate to take it in. I've been running 17% DEF concentration for the last few years doing real well with that, hate for them to screw with anything. Never an issue with anything engine or emission related coming up on 99K miles.

Same here with my ‘16. No problems, and rolled past 243k miles today. I’m not in a hurry to take it in for the recall.

 

[Diesel85]

This reminds me of the HPFP recall for my EcoD. Bosch did something to the new pump to supposedly "fix" it. I'm waiting it out a year or more before doing it.

I've already heard some butchered up jobs from leaking lines to not putting the CAC hose back on right resulting in leaks. Same as when folks went from the CP4 to the CP3 in the Cummins, but with just leaking high pressure lines because the tech didn't get the lines tightened correctly.

Then onto the fact that I don't know what it's going to do to my fuel mileage and performance, or is it a worse pump and folks are guinea pigs. Or my tin foil hat idea might be the new HPFP will fail sending metal debris through the whole system guaranteed thus killing more diesel engines to push for EVs and hybrids.

Right now my truck is working exactly as I want it.

 

[josephc1]

How are you not setting a code at 17% DEF? It should set a CEL at 22%

13 & 14 don't have a concentration sensor in the def tank, not sure about the 15+ trucks. NOX concentration has stayed within acceptable levels for both nox sensors in the exhaust to be happy. A friend with a 13 runs 10% in his truck. Easier to me to run 17%. When the level in the tank gets in the red half way to the peg I add 2.5 gal def and 2 gal distilled water.

 

[JPM]

Will I get a notice ? 2017 SRW 3500 4X4 SB HO

 

[AH64ID]

13 & 14 don't have a concentration sensor in the def tank, not sure about the 15+ trucks. NOX concentration has stayed within acceptable levels for both nox sensors in the exhaust to be happy. A friend with a 13 runs 10% in his truck. Easier to me to run 17%. When the level in the tank gets in the red half way to the peg I add 2.5 gal def and 2 gal distilled water.

Gotxha. I didn’t realize the early DEF systems didn’t have a monitor.

Will I get a notice ? 2017 SRW 3500 4X4 SB HO

Most likely, but you can also use your VIN to lookup any recalls on this site.

https://www.mopar.com/dodge/en-us/my-vehicle/recalls/faqs.html

 

[Ozymandias]

Sensor wasn't mandatory in the early days until they figured out that people use that to tamper with the system.

 

[VZotz]

Here's something to think about...

Why is Cummins on the hook? Stellantis buys from Cummins an engine with that other than most of the long block is different than what they sell to all other manufacturers for medium duty trucks.

Its my understanding the pump and cam are Ram specific as of course as the ECM which is supplied by Stellantis. Its not like one can even use HD truck software to get in a Cummins ram computer or vice versa, they are completely different animals.

The ECM is Cummins supplied. The ECM data plate has specific numbers to ID it, including the original programming code. Cummins repair shops can access the ECM if they have the correct adapters. If you were to take your truck to Cummins, they would probably say take it to Ram due to agreements.